Skylake or better GPU

[Demiqas]

The PC I'm in the process of upgrading right now is running on a haswell platform with a pentium g3460 and an old hd 5750. I have a PSU, case and SSD and I already have some DDR3 ram aswell. I am looking to upgrade to atleast an i5, a new z-chip motherboard and a new GPU. I live in europe and my budget is about a thousand euros. 

 

Now I came up with two possible builds but I am stuck deciding on which one would theoretically be the better option. 

I play all sort of games ranging from the newest to older ones, I like to crank up AA and resolution if I can afford to. I'm also looking to OC my stuff so only K cpus.

 

The first one would be:

 

i7 6700k (350 euros)

ASUS Z170-K (140 euros) (or another decent z-chip motherboard)

GTX 1070 (450 euros)

8GB DDR4-2666 ram (60 euros)

Which would come down to a total of exactly a 1000 euros

 

or..

 

i5 4690k (260 euros)

ASRock Fatality Z97 Killer (120 euros) (or another decent z-chip motherboard)

GTX 1080 (750 euros)

Which would come down to a total of 1100 euros

 

A reason to go for the 1080 build would be the fact that I like to crank up AA

Though what makes me think about it twice is the fact that the price/performance rate of a 1080 is just awful compared to that of a 1070, being close enough to double the price while being about 30% faster.

 

A reason to go for the i7 is that I find myself bottlenecked in certain cpu intensive games like FO4.

A downside would be that it's the 1070 vs a 1080 in exchange for a better cpu.

 

So I'm stuck deciding on which one would work best. What is more justifiable, spending the extra money on a skylake i7 while keeping a 1070 or just getting a haswell i5 coupled with a 1080?

 

Anyone can help me out?

[don_svetlio]

i5 + 1080 is pointless considering you'd get horribly bottlenecked.

[lolsmurfzs]

i'd say just wait till you have enough money and get the i7 and the GTX 1080

[Demiqas]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

i5 + 1080 is pointless considering you'd get horribly bottlenecked.

Hm, that didn't really cross my mind. Would an oc'd i5 however really bottleneck a 1080?

 

Just now, lolsmurfzs said:

i'd say just wait till you have more money and get the i7 and the GTX 1080

I do have the money, it's just that I don't want to spend more than a thousand. A 1080 and an i7 skylake would come down to more than I'm comfortable spending.

[TheKDub]

5 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

i5 + 1080 is pointless considering you'd get horribly bottlenecked.

There's very little difference between an i5 and i7 when it comes to gaming performance.

 

6 minutes ago, Demiqas said:

 

Might as well just go for the skylake build, it's newer and has some more features such as USB type c, and the GTX 1070 is already a pretty damn powerful card as is.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Demiqas said:

Hm, that didn't really cross my mind. Would an oc'd i5 however really bottleneck a 1080?

 

I do have the money, it's just that I don't want to spend more than a thousand. A 1080 and an i7 skylake would come down to more than I'm comfortable spending.

even a 6600K at 4.5GHz manages to bottleneck the 1070 in some games, the 1080 is just a shitshow

[Antony Leung]

If you want wait kaby lake is rumored that it's coming in december as well a new chip the Z270.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, TheKDub said:

There's very little difference between an i5 and i7 when it comes to gaming performance, an i5 4690k will do perfectly fine with a 1080.

 

Might as well just go for the skylake build, it's newer and has some more features such as USB type c, and the GTX 1070 is already a pretty damn powerful card as is.

No. Stop spreading misinformation. Feel free to ask others such as @Dackzy or @Prysin - games have been multi-threaded for quite a while

[TheKDub]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

No. Stop spreading misinformation. Feel free to ask others such as @Dackzy or @Prysin - games have been multi-threaded for quite a while

It's not misinformation, yes, some games do see better performance when using an i7 compared to an i5, however, the majority of games that are available see a very little increase, if at all.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, TheKDub said:

It's not misinformation, yes, some games do see better performance when using an i7 compared to an i5, however, the majority of games that are available see a very little increase, if at all.

HT makes cores work 20-40$ more efficiently - it's the reason why an i5 bottlenecks the 1080 and the i7 doesn't

[TheKDub]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

HT makes cores work 20-40$ more efficiently - it's the reason why an i5 bottlenecks the 1080 and the i7 doesn't

 

It's only beneficial for games which can take advantage of more than 4 threads.

Spoiler

 

 

[don_svetlio]

Just now, TheKDub said:

 

It's only beneficial for games which can take advantage of more than 4 threads.

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That is a Titan X - 1080 is 35% faster. That comparison is useless in this thread

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

i5 + 1080 is pointless considering you'd get horribly bottlenecked.

An i5 4690k won't bottleneck a GTX 1080 as long as you get to at least 4.0 ghz

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Bobby_Joe_90 said:

An i5 4690k won't bottleneck a GTX 1080 as long as you get to at least 4.0 ghz

IT will. It most definitely will.

[Dackzy]

why do people keep thinking that a i5 is like this god CPU for gaming? In games like GTA V there is a 10% difference between a i7 and i5 with the same GPU, a i7 also generally gives you more stable FPS. A i5 is really coming close to its end. If you are going to keep this system for like 2 years then sure do what ever you want, you will have bottlenecks in some games, but this problem only becomes bigger and bigger.

 

Look at this video, in this video they have Vsync on this means that the FPS is MAX 60, so if the GPU could go higher then the CPU ussage would also be higher, yet it is 70% and up all the time. In witcher 3 it is 99%, that is NOT good and when we start seeing next gen games in 2-3 years then that i5 is fucked hard. No matter how you look at it.

 

You can also look at BF1 beta, my i7 4770k can come up to 78% in that game and is always above 50%, it is most normal that it is the 60-65% range

[CptLameJokes]

If you are running on 1080p, GTX 1080 would be an overkill anyway. 1070 would be better for 1080p gaming.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

IT will. It most definitely will.

Source?

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Bobby_Joe_90 said:

Source?

 

[TheKDub]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Can you stop lying to people cause of fanboyism?

How about you provide some actual evidence to back up your claim instead of saying everyone else is wrong?

[don_svetlio]

Just now, TheKDub said:

How about you provide some actual evidence to back up your claim instead of saying everyone else is wrong?

Already posted - Dackzy also posted. Enjoy.

[Dackzy]

5 hours ago, Bobby_Joe_90 said:

An i5 4690k won't bottleneck a GTX 1080 as long as you get to at least 4.0 ghz

look at the post I made, that is digital foundry and that CPU is at 4.5GHz, oh shit that is way above your 4.0GHz and would you look at that bottlenecks in games that are not even very new anymore.

 

5 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

Already posted - Dackzy also posted. Enjoy.

They don't even want to listen to me. (maybe because they know they cannot win this arguement)

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

 

This is talking about 1080p 144hz, not 60hz or 1440p.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Bobby_Joe_90 said:

This is talking about 1080p 144hz, not 60hz or 1440p.

 

Just now, Bobby_Joe_90 said:

This is talking about 1080p 144hz, not 60hz or 1440p.

The OP has a 5750. I doubt he has a 1440p dispaly

[TristanKing]

Build the i5 + 1080 PC since that will give you the best performance by far in most games, then upgrade to a CannonLake CPU next year.

 

That's the best and cheapest upgrade path.

[TheKDub]

5 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Already posted - Dackzy also posted. Enjoy.

I don't think you're quite understanding.

 

For a game to see a performance increase from an i7, it must support more than 4 threads.

 

It's obvious that overclocking a CPU will bring better performance, overclocking a CPU isn't the same as adding hyperthreading.

If you were to overclock an i7 6700K, you'd very likely see a performance increase there as well as by overclocking an i5 6600K.