Why will I never buy another AMD

[refillable]

Greetings everyone

 

I'm Daris Alfafa, from Bandung, Indonesia

 

Before I get replies like "SHUT UP YOU AMD FANBOY" or anything like that, please note that this is just an OPINION based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I don't care whether you're telling me that I'm biased, or giving sentimental views. I'm just sharing.

 

First, starting from my Laptop chip. It was a Geforce 315M, a lowly card from Tesla generation. I know what I'm doing at that time, it failed to be recognized in some games (probably because of Optimus/Switchable graphics being new at that time). I seek advice in the GeForce forums and got insults instead. I can recall it very well, "TACTICAL FACEPALM, IF YOU WANT MORE PERFORMANCE USE ANOTHER GPU". However, the worst thing that happened is that after I updated my driver to 314.XX, the dedicated fan would somehow stop spinning, resulting the to GPU overheat and die.

 

I was actually a long time user of Radeons, had never seen such problems. 

 

The thing is, I bought an HD 7850, which at that time cost an equivalent of ~$250 (2650000 IDR). A buddy bought a GTX 660 Ti for an equivalent of ~$360 (3500000 IDR), he was disappointed that he found out my old 7850 catching up his card in modern 2015/16 games. This is not an anecdotal evidence, I've seen many online articles echoing the same story.

 

Here's the situation happening 4 years ago

7970 GHz - GTX 680 ($500)

7950 Boost - GTX 670 ($400)

7870 (Tahiti) - GTX 660 Ti ($300)

7870 - ($250)

         - 660 ($225)

7850 - 650 Ti Boost ($200)

 

And now, some 270Xs (with very similar specs to the 7870) touching the GTX 770! (rebrand of the 680)

 

This means, that there's absolutely no assurance that your Nvidia card is going to hold up its value better than its AMD counterparts, which I feel like a huge disadvantage. For this reason, I'm not going to buy another Nvidia - as long as they can't assure older cards are getting enough boost. DX12 and Vulkan seem to make things a lot worse for the green side.

 

Nvidia, if you're reading this, please improve performance on older cards!

[Godlygamer23]

Can you show which 270Xs are performing close to a 770?

 

Another thing is that all drivers from both sides have problems. Both sides have said that they've never had a problem with the respective vendor until they switched over, and then they started having issues.

 

It's nothing new.

[Rekojylekilun]

Why waste time improving performance for those who're too poor to buy our latest and greatest, it's their fault they can't afford us again.

 

[Morgan MLGman]

AMD cards have worse performance at launch because the drivers are imperfect. They can improve them more than Nvidia because they're not as optimized. But their cards are beefier hardware-wise so they've got room for improving performance. I've got a 290X which was inferior to 780Ti in most games at launch, now wrecking it, as it's a very beefy card in terms of hardware, it just needed software improvements to truly shine. Same thing was with older HD7000 cards.

[vorticalbox]

14 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

AMD cards have worse performance at launch because the drivers are imperfect. They can improve them more than Nvidia because they're not as optimized. But their cards are beefier hardware-wise so they've got room for improving performance. I've got a 290X which was inferior to 780Ti in most games at launch, now wrecking it, as it's a very beefy card in terms of hardware, it just needed software improvements to truly shine. Same thing was with older HD7000 cards.

AMD do have a way of using drivers to ink out performance.

[Clyne]

13 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Can you show which 270Xs are performing close to a 770?

 

Another thing is that all drivers from both sides have problems. Both sides have said that they've never had a problem with the respective vendor until they switched over, and then they started having issues.

 

It's nothing new.

My 270X can actually perform around/beat some 770s...

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8761440 (FX-8320 and 270X)

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5979628 (i5 4460 and 770)

To be fair, 770 scores around 7000 in firestrike.

[Quinnbeast]

19 minutes ago, refillable said:

Why will I never buy another AMD

 

20 minutes ago, refillable said:

I'm not going to buy another Nvidia - 

 

So, going iGPU all the way then?

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, Bubblewhale said:

My 270X can actually perform around/beat some 770s...

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8761440 (FX-8320 and 270X)

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5979628 (i5 4460 and 770)

To be fair, 770 scores around 7000 in firestrike.

I want actual games as well.

[FPS-Russia]

I laugh. 10/10.

[EarthboundHero]

Why did you change the title?

[Clyne]

8 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I want actual games as well.

Yeah that's going to be hard to find in 2016 anyway...

People consider 770 "oldish", so you don't see them much in benchmarks recently. 

Even so.. a 370 is poorer than a 270X..

[FPS-Russia]

Just now, Bubblewhale said:

Yeah that's going to be hard to find in 2016 anyway...

People consider 770 "oldish", so you don't see them much in benchmarks recently. 

That because GTX 770 will hand 270X it's balls on a plate.

[Clyne]

Just now, FPS-Russia said:

That because GTX 770 will hand 270X it's balls on a plate.

Who said it didn't?

The 270X is catching up to the 770, but it's certainly not beating it. 

[Rekojylekilun]

We're releasing GP100 soon for only $3000.

[refillable]

Of course, no one tests the 770 on games now. But 3Dmark results support my point.

 

Hint: The 760 is a cut-down version of the 770. 770 is 20% faster than 760.

[FPS-Russia]

1 minute ago, refillable said:

Of course, no one tests the 770 on games now. But 3Dmark results support my point.

 

Hint: The 760 is a cut-down version of the 770. 770 is 20% faster than 760.

You show DOOM as argument?

LOL my RX 480 is faster than x Nvidia card. i must make thread.

[Godlygamer23]

2 minutes ago, refillable said:

Of course, no one tests the 770 on games now. But 3Dmark results support my point.

 

Hint: The 760 is a cut-down version of the 770. 770 is 20% faster than 760.

[removed]

AMD cards will do better in games with Vulkan enabled. That allows them more performance due to a number of things.

[refillable]

Before Vulkan support came out, Doom was used to justify people saying's that the 970 was better than the 390X.

 

Vulkan is Open Source, if AMD does better, I don't think it's even fair to say Vulkan is biased.

[FPS-Russia]

1 minute ago, refillable said:

Before Vulkan support came out, Doom was used to justify people saying that the 970 was better than the 390X.

So you have 1 game to support the argument.

 

Let not show the rest where the Nvidia card rapes.

[refillable]

[Herman Mcpootis]

Hold on, Hold on. if this thread is a rant against Nvidia, why is the title 'Why i will never buy another AMD'?

[Vode]

1 minute ago, herman mcpootis said:

Hold on, Hold on. if this thread is a rant against Nvidia, why is the title 'Why i will never buy another AMD'?

OP changed the title from Nvidia to AMD for some obscure reason.

[FPS-Russia]

1 hour ago, refillable said:

770 comes out on top of the 950 in every test, it's basically 960.

[FPS-Russia]

 

[refillable]

What are you trying to proof, Kyle? This isn't a discussion of straw man! Isn't it hard to re-read this?

 

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some 270Xs (with very similar specs to the 7870) touching the GTX 770

And Goldygamer, are you convinced yet?