MC server questions (last time)

[DarkBlade2117]

So... instead of getting what I previously was an i7-860 or whatnot, I may be able to get ahold of an AM3 Mobo for free. Though, problem is it is a HP Motherboard.

 

Right now it has an Athlon x4 640 in it, which is a 95w CPU.  I think this is the PC, http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02628226 I know notice it is a Foxconn Mobo which isn't  terrible but I could put a Phenom x6 1075T which would run a MC server fine correct? One modded, one vanilla and one is off and on.

 

It'll have 16GBs of RAM because I have it and will be run off whatever storage device I can get cheap or free.

Its not meant to look pretty, ect. I'll probably get a 300-350w Seasonic PSU for $30 or find something cheap and be done and put it in my current case. I might do some things like put it in a different case with some fans to just keep it cool and quiet since it'll be running 24/7 but other than that,

 

Athlon x4 640/x6 1075T depending on how people say it'll run.

16GBs of 1333Mhz RAM.

300-350w SeaSonic PSU.

Whatever storage I get, probably a 60-120 used SSD.

The HP case it is in or the one I have.

[No]

Modded servers are really based off of ram. Is this server public or personal with friends?

[Enderman]

7 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

a Phenom x6 1075T which would run a MC server fine correct?

really depends on how many people you want playing at a time

if its less than 10 it shoud be alright

but you may have problems with modded, you need a pretty high end CPU to run that without your tick exceeding 50ms

[DarkBlade2117]

3 hours ago, No said:

Modded servers are really based off of ram. Is this server public or personal with friends?

Personal. The worlds will be all preloaded, modded probably 10k blocks in each direction and vanilal 5,000 blocks. The "off/on" server will always be preloaded for any mini game or UHC we do.

7 People on the modded max.

I'd say 10-12 people for the Vanilla ( a lot of these are the same people, some will be more active than others on the modded but most on vanilla ). Not all of us will be on at once and when do something like a UHC where we have 16-18 people on, it will one server in a 1000x1000 preloaded world and not much will be going on and no one would really be on the other servers so I would dedicate most of the resources to that one server.

[No]

1 minute ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Personal. The worlds will be all preloaded, modded probably 10k blocks in each direction and vanilal 5,000 blocks. The "off/on" server will always be preloaded for any mini game or UHC we do.

7 People on the modded max.

I'd say 10-12 people for the Vanilla ( a lot of these are the same people, some will be more active than others on the modded but most on vanilla ). Not all of us will be on at once and when do something like a UHC where we have 16-18 people on, it will one server in a 1000x1000 preloaded world and not much will be going on and no one would really be on the other servers so I would dedicate most of the resources to that one server.

It should run fine. modded might have some lag but if you have enough ram it should be fine

[DarkBlade2117]

3 hours ago, Enderman said:

really depends on how many people you want playing at a time

if its less than 10 it shoud be alright

but you may have problems with modded, you need a pretty high end CPU to run that without your tick exceeding 50ms

Looking at the previous post, it won't always be that many people at once. Probably 3-4 avg on modded and SMP I don't quite know. 100ms is fine looking at the modded server they are on now, it is legit 200ms and they do ok....

[DarkBlade2117]

3 hours ago, No said:

It should run fine. modded might have some lag but if you have enough ram it should be fine

8GBs will be dedicated to modded alone. 10 could be doable aswell.

Do you know about the CPU?

[No]

1 minute ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

8GBs will be dedicated to modded alone. 10 could be doable aswell.

Do you know about the CPU?

yeah, it should run. thats why i was saying it might lag without enough ram

[DarkBlade2117]

3 hours ago, No said:

yeah, it should run. thats why i was saying it might lag without enough ram

Which one, the x4 or x6 that I said?

I figured it would be fine considering people have ran servers of C2Ds lol

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Looking at the previous post, it won't always be that many people at once. Probably 3-4 avg on modded and SMP I don't quite know. 100ms is fine looking at the modded server they are on now, it is legit 200ms and they do ok....

no 100ms is not fine

that means everything runs at half speed and you will literally get disconnected every few minutes

 

i think you're confusing ping with tick

tick is how fast the game runs

20tps = 50ms/tick

any more and your server will do this

[manikyath]

7 minutes ago, No said:

Modded servers are really based off of ram. Is this server public or personal with friends?

wrong. past the 4GB mark your cpu will choke up first if you're not going for the best of the best out there.

 

with this also comes a warning that public minecraft servers are pretty much a done deal since bukkit went to shit, and before that they were pretty horrible as well...

 

HP motherboards arent necessarily "problematic" although they do have their quirks you have to work around.

 

as for the cpu, specificly look at the single core performance, minecraft server performance (aside from netty threads) is pretty much all on a single core. i'd say dont bother if it's significantly less than a 1st gen core i series processor.

[No]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

no 100ms is not fine

that means everything runs at half speed and you will literally get disconnected every few minutes

 

i think you're confusing ping with tick

tick is how fast the game runs

20tps = 50ms/tick

any more and your server will do this

i mean judging by what he said its not a stable 100ms

[No]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

wrong. past the 4GB mark your cpu will choke up first if you're not going for the best of the best out there.

 

with this also comes a warning that public minecraft servers are pretty much a done deal since bukkit went to shit, and before that they were pretty horrible as well...

 

HP motherboards arent necessarily "problematic" although they do have their quirks you have to work around.

 

as for the cpu, specificly look at the single core performance, minecraft server performance (aside from netty threads) is pretty much all on a single core. i'd say dont bother if it's significantly less than a 1st gen core i series processor.

thats true 

but you still need a good amount of ram for modpacks

[DarkBlade2117]

3 hours ago, manikyath said:

wrong. past the 4GB mark your cpu will choke up first if you're not going for the best of the best out there.

 

with this also comes a warning that public minecraft servers are pretty much a done deal since bukkit went to shit, and before that they were pretty horrible as well...

 

HP motherboards arent necessarily "problematic" although they do have their quirks you have to work around.

 

as for the cpu, specificly look at the single core performance, minecraft server performance (aside from netty threads) is pretty much all on a single core. i'd say dont bother if it's significantly less than a 1st gen core i series processor.

Looking SCP, the x6 1075T is 10-20 points behind a i5-750/i7-860 in SCP on cinebench. The extra two cores can't hurt either.

[manikyath]

 

so, adding this in for informational purposes:

 

this is my "modded minecraft server benchmark" that consists of pretty much a worst case scenario.

top left shows some stats: ~15K chunks loaded, this is WITH animals and the like, which is in this scenario a FAR bigger performance hit than any mod will add to your game.

 

once this benchmark settled in, it ran at around the 45ms per tick range. with an impressive... 4GB ram allocated, not even closing in on the maximum.

this specific test shown was ran on a 4770, with minecraft running on linux, inside virtualbox, on top of windows 8.1.

the most horrid piece of mod abuse i've ever done on this server, came to about.. 30-ish ms, still comfy within that 4GB limit.

 

if you take note that a player standing around is 441 chunks (the chunk the player is standing on, plus 10 in all 4 directions, squared) and that the average modded base doesnt surpass 2-3 extra ms on tick time compared to a fresh map, we'll do some math.

 

*note* the following are ballpark numbers, take this with a grain of salt:

server performance expressed in "chunks loaded on my 4770"

 

the maximum we have to allocate before we hit 50ms is 15000 chunks.

a full setup (mind that i *dont* play small modpacks, so this is way out there) usually wont consume more than 3ms tick time, we take about 900 "chunks loaded" per base.

a player is 441 chunks loaded. unless you want to turn down that view distance number, that's a fact here.

 

math time:

 

lets take a royal 7 kitted out bases running at full tilt, thats 7000 "chunks" (if all people do this kind of base on your server, murder them.)

plus 7 people online max, that's 441*7 = 3087 chunks.

 

==> roughly 10K "chunks loaded on my 4770"

 

result: comparing speeds on processors, it'll be a close call on your little athlon, but if it lags, shout at people to fix their shit. my "3ms" number comes from pretty extreme scenarios that *should not* be performed on a server, and certainly not by every player on that server.

 

to draw an image about the 3ms: i recently played trough infinity evolved skyblock, and with a full autosieve setup, storage drawers up the butt, bunch of autocrafting whizzing around, a treefarm, mobs raining trough a spawner.. thats 3ms. the biggest issue with server performance is actually (rather strangely) mob and animal AI.

 

EDIT: forgot to check, the x6 "should" be smooth sailing.

[DarkBlade2117]

@manikyath

Alright so the x6 should be fine.

Would you suggest pre loading the world so far? People will be "limited" by that I mean I will suggest turning any taxing automation off before leaving and people will suggested to keep their bases within the first 3,000 blocks of spawn. I was thinking for preloading, the modded server 10,000 blocks in each direction and for the Vanilla SMP 5,000 blocks. This should help keep the world from lagging to much while exploring ect right?

I will also ask for people to try and keep mob farms down ect and go for better means of it like small cow farms ect.

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

@manikyath

Alright so the x6 should be fine.

Would you suggest pre loading the world so far? People will be "limited" by that I mean I will suggest turning any taxing automation off before leaving and people will suggested to keep their bases within the first 3,000 blocks of spawn. I was thinking for preloading, the modded server 10,000 blocks in each direction and for the Vanilla SMP 5,000 blocks. This should help keep the world from lagging to much while exploring ect right?

I will also ask for people to try and keep mob farms down ect and go for better means of it like small cow farms ect.

that's not pre-loading, thats how my server ran for a month or so

 

as for pre-loading the world, there's some advantages and disadvantages..

 

positives:

- reduced overhead, even if only on the "initial explore"

- you can take the time it takes to have a look around your seed, does it blow chunks? start over!

negatives:

- it takes time

- if mod changes require retrogen, or even the exploring of new chunks, you just wasted time and resources

- it takes time to let things preload

[DarkBlade2117]

4 hours ago, manikyath said:

that's not pre-loading, thats how my server ran for a month or so

 

as for pre-loading the world, there's some advantages and disadvantages..

 

positives:

- reduced overhead, even if only on the "initial explore"

- you can take the time it takes to have a look around your seed, does it blow chunks? start over!

negatives:

- it takes time

- if mod changes require retrogen, or even the exploring of new chunks, you just wasted time and resources

- it takes time to let things preload

Yeah it may take awhile but I think it would be worth it.

[Ramaddil]

I don't think I saw this in any of the previous posts... but I would make sure on a 24/7 server not to cheap out on a PSU.  The wattage seems fine dependent on your part list, but a cheap PSU can give you real problems in the long run.  

[Mayaa]

Do yourself a favor and get a hyper 212 or something for your CPU. The stock AMD cooler starts sounding like a jet turbine as it gets hot. If you are sleeping in the same room i would definitely get something else.

[DarkBlade2117]

7 hours ago, Mayaa said:

Do yourself a favor and get a hyper 212 or something for your CPU. The stock AMD cooler starts sounding like a jet turbine as it gets hot. If you are sleeping in the same room i would definitely get something else.

The 212 Evo is a badnwagon item, If anything I would get a Cryorig M9a but this won't even be in the same room.

[DarkBlade2117]

8 hours ago, Mayaa said:

Do yourself a favor and get a hyper 212 or something for your CPU. The stock AMD cooler starts sounding like a jet turbine as it gets hot. If you are sleeping in the same room i would definitely get something else.

A 300-350w SeaSonic PSU will be just fine. @Ramaddil

[Mayaa]

3 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

A 300-350w SeaSonic PSU will be just fine.

Not sure if this was supposed to be directed at me, but about the cooler, i was just saying get something other than the stock cooler if ur gonna have it even remotely close to you.

[DarkBlade2117]

3 hours ago, Mayaa said:

Not sure if this was supposed to be directed at me, but about the cooler, i was just saying get something other than the stock cooler if ur gonna have it even remotely close to you.

Whoops lol