R9 470 to be only 5% slower than the 970

[Agosto]

9 minutes ago, WereCat said:

I know I was comparing different tiers. Point is that lower tier from new generation is usually a lot cheaper and performs better than the higher tier from previous generation.

And this time around it so far looks like the jump is very significant.

You're not used to GPU node shrinks, are you?

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, samcool55 said:

300 bucks, 400 bucks, it's too expensive for me either way

Let amd bring on the stuff i can afford! I'm waiting.

Well, the 400$ 1070 is quite a ways off the 230$ 480 - for a bit more than a 1070 you can buy 2x 480s and get 1080 performance

470 supposedly is like a 970 for 150$ and the 460 like a 960 for 100$ and only 60W of power (like the 750 Ti)

[Delicieuxz]

8 minutes ago, WereCat said:

I know I was comparing different tiers. Point is that lower tier from new generation is usually a lot cheaper and performs better than the higher tier from previous generation.

And this time around it so far looks like the jump is very significant.

After 5 years of the 7970 -> 280x -> 380x being around the same performance for each, it's long overdue to see things move on from the longest lull in generational graphics performance gains we've ever seen.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

After 5 years of the 7970 -> 280x -> 380x being around the same performance for each, it's long overdue to see things move on from the longest lull in generational graphics performance gains we've ever seen.

Well, that's 28nm friend. Same on Nvidia's side. 680>770>960 (with the 960 actually being slower than the 770)

[samcool55]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Well, the 400$ 1070 is quite a ways off the 230$ 480 - for a bit more than a 1070 you can buy 2x 480s and get 1080 performance

470 supposedly is like a 970 for 150$ and the 460 like a 960 for 100$ and only 60W of power (like the 750 Ti)

Well depending on what cooling solution you get it's probably possible to get 2x 480's that cost exactly the same as a 1070.

Also 2x 470 performs probably like 970's in sli, maybe even a bit better, and cost less than 1 970, the double performance per dollar is real

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, samcool55 said:

Well depending on what cooling solution you get it's probably possible to get 2x 480's that cost exactly the same as a 1070.

Also 2x 470 performs probably like 970's in sli, maybe even a bit better, and cost less than 1 970, the double performance per dollar is real

Also, there was a leak about temps - the 480 apparently runs at 60*C with the blower cooler.

[M4st4M1nd]

AMD have really shaken things up this year

[Delicieuxz]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Well, that's 28nm friend. Same on Nvidia's side. 680>770>960 (with the 960 actually being slower than the 770)

Yeah, but it wasn't a natural slowdown, it was to coincide with game developers having moved to console focus, since the 360 and PS3 dominated sales, and so developers made those consoles their performance targets... and PC versions were ports that weren't receiving additional graphical improvements. So the need for more powerful cards wasn't really there, as game graphics weren't improving very quickly.

 

Now, with 2k, 4k, 21:9, VR, there's a new demand for more powerful graphics hardware, and Nvidia and AMD seems to be able to turn the dial up to meet it without issue. So, I think those console generations really held graphics progression back, and that we're now years behind where we otherwise may have been.

[samcool55]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Also, there was a leak about temps - the 480 apparently runs at 60*C with the blower cooler.

Yea WCCFtech said that.

Sadly we don't know anything about fan speed and noise and as we learned from Nvidia, temps can be misleading.

So for now i'm not getting too exited about temps, i'm planning to get a card with a custom cooler anyway so i'm not too worried about it.

 

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, samcool55 said:

Yea WCCFtech said that.

Sadly we don't know anything about fan speed and noise and as we learned from Nvidia, temps can be misleading.

So for now i'm not getting too exited about temps, i'm planning to get a card with a custom cooler anyway so i'm not too worried about it.

 

It's a 120W GPU with a cooler designed for the 390(X) ( a 270W GPU) - not like the 1080 where it's a 200W GPU with a cooler designed for a 150W GPU. You have to remember, AMD use copper heatsinks on blowers since the 200 series whereas Nvidia still use aluminium

[WereCat]

7 minutes ago, Agost said:

You're not used to GPU node shrinks, are you?

It has nothing to do with node shrink.

 

GTX 670 MSRP $399

GTX 770 MSRP $379

GTX 970 MSRP $349

 

Performance difference between each card around 40%.

 

Node shrink.

GTX 1070 MSRP $379 (want up a bit)

But!!!

Performance difference around 80% vs previous gen. 

[don_svetlio]

3 minutes ago, WereCat said:

It has nothing to do with node shrink.

 

GTX 670 MSRP $399

GTX 770 MSRP $379

GTX 970 MSRP $349

 

Performance difference between each card around 40%.

 

Node shrink.

GTX 1070 MSRP $379 (want up a bit)

But!!!

Performance difference around 80% vs previous gen. 

Do the same with *80 cards.

[WereCat]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Do the same with *80 cards.

No. Those are exceptions because you pay premium if you want the best of the best.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

No. Those are exceptions because you pay premium if you want the best of the best.

Isn't the *80 Ti or Titan the best of the best? The 580 didn't cost 650-700$. Nor did the 680 or 780

[Agosto]

8 minutes ago, WereCat said:

It has nothing to do with node shrink.

 

GTX 670 MSRP $399

GTX 770 MSRP $379

GTX 970 MSRP $349

 

Performance difference between each card around 40%.

 

Node shrink.

GTX 1070 MSRP $379 (want up a bit)

But!!!

Performance difference around 80% vs previous gen. 

GTX 770 retail price was 399. And it was a 680 refresh.
 

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

No. Those are exceptions because you pay premium if you want the best of the best.

780 wasn't "the best of the best" and it launched at 650$. The 980 wasn't "the best of the best" and it launched at 550$. Now the 1080 is, temporarily, "the best of the best", but we all know that in 6-9 months it will be replaced by a more powerful GPU of the same generation. And it costs 700$.

[WereCat]

7 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Isn't the *80 Ti or Titan the best of the best? The 580 didn't cost 650-700$. Nor did the 680 or 780

 

4 minutes ago, Agost said:

GTX 770 retail price was 399. And it was a 680 refresh.
 

780 wasn't "the best of the best" and it launched at 650$. The 980 wasn't "the best of the best" and it launched at 550$. Now the 1080 is, temporarily, "the best of the best", but we all know that in 6-9 months it will be replaced by a more powerful GPU of the same generation. And it costs 700$.

ti cards for 80 series are new.  No-one expected 780ti. Ti cards also come out much later so unless they come out non ti cards carry premium price tag.

[deviant88]

8 hours ago, GidonsClaw said:

Still no competition at the top... o well...

Yea but i need competition at the mid-bottom. If i can buy RX 470 for 150$ that is pure win i wont have 4-500$ for a graphics card ever so yea. Just like statistics show most gamers are low-midrange budget.

[AlTech]

9 hours ago, TheAmazingCookieFromSquare said:

Source: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-470-benchmarks.html

 

 

In a PDF that AMD released, here is a footnote...

Here are the benchmarks

 

 

Seems like AMD is getting really aggressive on their GPU side but their CPU's still seem to have nothing.

If the RX 480 is to be $199 USD than the RX 470 should be cheaper. If AMD can bring 970 like performance for like under $150 I think AMD should have really interesting offerings for their RX 490 and RX 490X which will theoretically beat out the GTX 1080 AND GTX 1070 at a much cheap affordable cost.

 

Any thoughts people?

Your title has a typo. It says "R9", AMD is changing all Polaris cards to "RX"

[AlTech]

2 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

It's a 120W GPU with a cooler designed for the 390(X) ( a 270W GPU) - not like the 1080 where it's a 200W GPU with a cooler designed for a 150W GPU. You have to remember, AMD use copper heatsinks on blowers since the 200 series whereas Nvidia still use aluminium

WHAT???????!!!!!!!!!!

 

Nvidia uses Aluminium? Pardon my language BUT,  Are they idiots OR just imbeciles?  Cos damnit this is fucking stupid.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

WHAT???????!!!!!!!!!!

 

Nvidia uses Aluminium? Pardon my language BUT,  Are they idiots OR just imbeciles?  Cos damnit this is fucking stupid.

They just had lower TDPs and cut prices on materials. Nothing new. The 390X reference cooler was retooled and had a 20% decrease in fan speed and 8*C decrease in temps over the 290X stock cooler.

[Notional]

9 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

*cough* ubisoft *cough*

 

"We don't really care about efficiency on PC since if it doesn't run well, you can just buy a bigger GPU"

TBF Ubisoft has scrapped GameWorks, so now their games will actually be able to run above 30fps. Furthermore, they have adopted DX12 (afaik), that their games won't be drawcall limited like Watch Dogs and AC:U. Also GPUOpen means effects that can actually run well, on everything. 

 

That is a nice slogan. They must have gotten that as part of their GameWorks contract. At least that is how NVidia has behaved with GameWorks *cough* Kepler *cough* 

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At that price and TDP, it's damn impressive. And it won't cost as much as a chinese child's kidney #Pascalischeap.

[Morgan MLGman]

10 hours ago, TheAmazingCookieFromSquare said:

 

And I've been telling people for like 8 months that a 290X is faster than a 970 and a 780Ti on current drivers... So many people called BS on me Not to mention its DX12 capabilities

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

And I've been telling people for like 8 months that a 290X is faster than a 970 and a 780Ti on current drivers... So many people called BS on me Not to mention its DX12 capabilities

Pay attention to the 390X - above the 980

[Morgan MLGman]

5 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Pay attention to the 390X - above the 980

Also a significantly better choice. Anyone buying a 980 or even a 970 right now would be brain damaged considering a 390, 390X or possibly the RX 470/RX480 are better options

[Dackzy]

10 hours ago, Starelementpoke said:

490x is suppose to be 1070, 1080 competition. And was it every actually confirmed whether there was foul play or not? Aside from AOTS being more AMD GPU friendly, I was under the impression that AOTS' procedural generation was still under scrutiny on whether or not it was the cause of the differences. Was there actually photo evidence of them using an Alpha driver for the 1080? Not that I doubt you, just missed a part of the whole fiasco.

It is not more AMD friendly it is more DX12 friendly and 490 is meant to compete with 1070, just look at the past gen 390 vs 970, not 390x vs 970.