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The power of the Scorpio, adios dynamic resolutions

Ze_Mako
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Buy a Scorpio, get Halo 5 at 1080p.     :| 

 

 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-06-15-why-scorpio-and-xbox-one-s-sales-dont-actually-matter

 

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There are games that were written on Xbox One, and we continue to evangelize this tech of dynamic scaling - Halo 5's a good example - when Halo 5 runs it wants to max out at 1080p/60 frames per second or highest resolution/60 frames per second. As scenes get more complex, the vertical resolution will shrink... to keep the 60 frames per second. When that same game's running on Scorpio, because of the compute capability, it's effectively is going to run at its max resolution the whole time. And so you will see advantages like that when your Xbox One games are running on Scorpio. So that's why we continue to talk to developers about dynamic scaling because I think as compute capability goes up on the hardware, they kind of get it for free. Now, it's not going to make Halo 5 run with 4K pixels. The frame buffer is not a 4K frame buffer for the game. But it will run more solidly. And certain developers might go back and decide if they've built a 4K version for PC already for some of their games, they might go back and decide to enable a 4K version for the Scorpio Xbox when it launches.

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Oh that's weird. Should be fixed

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41 minutes ago, Ze_Mako said:

Buy a Scorpio, get Halo 5 at 1080p.     :| 

 

 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-06-15-why-scorpio-and-xbox-one-s-sales-dont-actually-matter

 

Except it comes out in 2017. By then the gpu in it will be old and the next gen gpus will be close to being out aka volta and what ever amd will have. By then games will be hard to run and what was once the best mid tier gpu will then become low end again. By then youll have to say hello to dynamic resolutions again.

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Don't know what the fuss is about?

About time we had console catch up, they should actually beat PC's, we need an Original XBOX era again, we got some amazing games that generation for both PC and console, no underpowered ports with downgrades either.

let us all remember now and today, computers do not like abuse, they will fight back!

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I as like yeah yeah 6 Tflops. Then I checked what my 980ti was an it is 5.4Tflops... So yeah good job MS. 

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17 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Except it comes out in 2017. By then the gpu in it will be old and the next gen gpus will be close to being out aka volta and what ever amd will have. By then games will be hard to run and what was once the best mid tier gpu will then become low end again. By then youll have to say hello to dynamic resolutions again.

Because you know exactly what devs will target on consoles at the end of next year in terms of resolution and fidelity. Okay.

 

Plus we don't know what the rest of specs of the Scorpio are. 

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8 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Except it comes out in 2017. By then the gpu in it will be old and the next gen gpus will be close to being out aka volta and what ever amd will have. By then games will be hard to run and what was once the best mid tier gpu will then become low end again. By then youll have to say hello to dynamic resolutions again.

Technology is moving fast but certainly not that fast at all. Seeing the newest Toom Raider run on an Xbox360. A machine that is 10 years old is pretty impressive. It looked pretty bad and at 30FPS it was not ideal for me but it was totally playable. 2017 is not that far away and Volta comes out in 2018. It also takes around 10 years to develop new GPU cores so the stuff now is technically really old, but again that isn't how this all works.

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4 minutes ago, Ze_Mako said:

Because you know exactly what devs will target on consoles at the end of next year in terms of resolution and fidelity. Okay.

 

3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Technology is moving fast but certainly not that fast at all. Seeing the newest Toom Raider run on an Xbox360. A machine that is 10 years old is pretty impressive. It looked pretty bad and at 30FPS it was not ideal for me but it was totally playable. 2017 is not that far away and Volta comes out in 2018. It also takes around 10 years to develop new GPU cores so the stuff now is technically really old, but again that isn't how this all works.

Not what I'm saying. You can use this gen as evidence of what Im saying. During last gen the 7xx cards the 770 could play all the games in 1080p. 9xx cards rolled out and the minimum for 1080p 60fps high settings is a 970 which is faster then last gens 780. The problem I'm seeing is that b the time it releases Volta is right around the bend and by the time the xbox Scorpio releases. Theres a good chance that games once again will get as hard to run in 1080p 60fps. With that said if that does happen youll be seeing dynamic resolutions to play games in at 60fps high settings. Its my guess but one thats based on a trend thats happened. Not saying it wouldnt be able to run games decently but 1080p lock steady 60 fps when volta comes out probably not going to happen.

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31 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Except it comes out in 2017. By then the gpu in it will be old and the next gen gpus will be close to being out aka volta and what ever amd will have. By then games will be hard to run and what was once the best mid tier gpu will then become low end again. By then youll have to say hello to dynamic resolutions again.

You do realize that there are two main issues here: TDP and development.

You can't just put the newest 250W GPU at $1000 a pop into a console and call it a day.

Development of a console takes a long time. It's not like it's a 3 month side project. Takes ages to develop a project like that. Both the hardware and software needs to be there, the game developers need to be on board with games at launch day, the production lines need to have a decent head start to be ready etc etc.

 

So it can't be much more than a mid range chip to keep TDP and cost down and they need to decide on the hardware fairly early in the process to get going. You can't just change it three months before launch because something new came along. 

 

That's the drawback of a tightly controlled eco system with long development times.

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30 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I as like yeah yeah 6 Tflops. Then I checked what my 980ti was an it is 5.4Tflops... So yeah good job MS. 

390x is 5.9.... But I doubt it will have 6Tflops. Maybe 4

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5 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

You do realize that there are two main issues here: TDP and development.

You can't just put the newest 250W GPU at $1000 a pop into a console and call it a day.

Development of a console takes a long time. It's not like it's a 3 month side project. Takes ages to develop a project like that. Both the hardware and software needs to be there, the game developers need to be on board with games at launch day, the production lines need to have a decent head start to be ready etc etc.

 

So it can't be much more than a mid range chip to keep TDP and cost down and they need to decide on the hardware fairly early in the process to get going. You can't just change it three months before launch because something new came along. 

 

That's the drawback of a tightly controlled eco system with long development times.

Yeah I'm aware. That's another reason why I think it'll show its age when it's considered old tech by devs even more so when the new cards come out soon after.

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14 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

390x is 5.9.... But I doubt it will have 6Tflops. Maybe 4

 

Watch the E3 conference video again. It will have 6Tflops

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Forza 6 apex is the only win 10 game I know that has dynamic graphic settings. I think that is a cool idea for pc games too.

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Not what I'm saying. You can use this gen as evidence of what Im saying. During last gen the 7xx cards the 770 could play all the games in 1080p. 9xx cards rolled out and the minimum for 1080p 60fps high settings is a 970 which is faster then last gens 780. The problem I'm seeing is that b the time it releases Volta is right around the bend and by the time the xbox Scorpio releases. Theres a good chance that games once again will get as hard to run in 1080p 60fps. With that said if that does happen youll be seeing dynamic resolutions to play games in at 60fps high settings. Its my guess but one thats based on a trend thats happened. Not saying it wouldnt be able to run games decently but 1080p lock steady 60 fps when volta comes out probably not going to happen.

I don't get your "as hard to run". We have things like DX12 and Vulkan which can help a lot with draw calls, dual card setups, and so on. It isn't like we achieve more performance by brute forcing it. We have technology to use our new technology efficiently. Also who said a console is going to be running ultra or high settings?

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1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

Forza 6 apex is the only win 10 game I know that has dynamic graphic settings. I think that is a cool idea for pc games too.

I didn't really find it that noticeable either. Didn't notice the dynamic resolution of halo 5 either when I played that, granted it was on a shitty TV. 

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18 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I don't get your "as hard to run". We have things like DX12 and Vulkan which can help a lot with draw calls, dual card setups, and so on. It isn't like we achieve more performance by brute forcing it. We have technology to use our new technology efficiently. Also who said a console is going to be running ultra or high settings?

By that logic the stupid 770 i have should be able to play doom yet it cant run it 30fps on low settings in 900p

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1 minute ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

By that logic the stupid 770 i have should be able to play doom yet it cant run it 30fps on low settings in 900p

The game is running on OpenGL. Wait for Vulkan and DX12 implementation. Also it should my 760 2gb ran doom perfectly fine a 1080 ultra. Same with GTA V 60FPS at 1080 and high settings. I think it is just you 

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19 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

The game is running on OpenGL. Wait for Vulkan and DX12 implementation. Also it should my 760 2gb ran doom perfectly fine a 1080 ultra. Same with GTA V 60FPS at 1080 and high settings. I think it is just you 

Idk benchmark shows the 770 not reaching 60fps at all doubt a 760 can run a 60fps on ultra 1080p maybe 30-45fps seems more likely.

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2 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

I as like yeah yeah 6 Tflops. Then I checked what my 980ti was an it is 5.4Tflops... So yeah good job MS. 

Remember that this is GCN we're talking about. I'm assuming the GPU isn't much better than an R9 390.

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42 minutes ago, werto165 said:

I didn't really find it that noticeable either. Didn't notice the dynamic resolution of halo 5 either when I played that, granted it was on a shitty TV. 

with Forza apex on windows  set it to a locked res, and FPS target of 60 then all the other settings are on dynamic. I think, if it works right, that is a great simply way of always having the game look its best and stable without having to think or test.

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4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

with Forza apex on windows  set it to a locked res, and FPS target of 60 then all the other settings are on dynamic. I think, if it works right, that is a great simply way of always having the game look its best and stable without having to think or test.

Yeah some things are noticeable like the wing mirrors changing from 60FPS to 30FPS on the lower settings but that's only really if you're looking at that which you're not most of the time. 

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2 minutes ago, RagnarokDel said:

the scorpio basically has a RX 480 in terms of GPU capacity...

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RIP PC gaming 2007-2017

 

 

In 2017 there will be a 580 with 20% better performance for the same cost

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