Windows XP

[HectorElFather]

I have this motherboard:

 

Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7 and it does not support OS below Win7. Can I still install XP or it won't succeed at all?

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

No, it might work but no drivers, Id run xp in a vm.

[HectorElFather]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

No, it might work but no drivers, Id run xp in a vm.

Ah I was just wondering because I love Windows XP but there's really no point in installing it...it only has DX9 support and stuff...I basically can't do anything on XP :'(

 

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, HectorElFather said:

Ah I was just wondering because I love Windows XP but there's really no point in installing it...it only has DX9 support and stuff...I basically can't do anything on XP :'(

 

 

Stop using xp. Its slower, unsecure, doesn't rum most new programs. IF you need it run it in a vm.

[Djole123]

What's your GPU?

[HectorElFather]

2 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

What's your GPU?

gtx 750 ti

[Djole123]

2 minutes ago, HectorElFather said:

gtx 750 ti

GPU drivers:

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/74421/en-us

Audio and Ethernet should work out of the box. If they don't, call for help.

[GoodBytes]

Windows XP has more secure holes than chicken wires. Microsoft said the moment that XP was released that the OS (which is based on Windows NT 3, a 1993 OS) that it is not secured and ready for computers of tomorrow... that was in 2001. Which made the company launch the Longhorn project, aka: Vista.

6 year of development to redo Windows at about 80%. Hence why Vista was buggy, and lacked optimizations, as all that was lost.

 

Windows XP lack of security is well documented, and a 8 year old kid can make a mass virus for the OS. It has 0 security, and doesn't support technologies of tomorrow.

Heck, it doesn't support 64-bit CPUs, nor more than 4GB of RAM, it doesn't support UEFI at all, it doesn't know what PCI-E is, nor SATA / AHCI. It doesn't know what SSDs are, and any of it. It has no maintenance system, requiring you to pretty much re-install the OS every 6 month or so to keep the system at its original newly installed speed.

 

The only operating system you should be installing and using is: Windows 7, 8.x, or 10, or any decently recent Linux distro (~2007-2009 and up).

[Djole123]

2 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Windows XP lack of security is well documented, and a 8 year old kid can make a mass virus for the OS. It has 0 security, and doesn't support technologies of tomorrow.

Heck, it doesn't support 64-bit CPUs, nor more than 4GB of RAM, it doesn't support UEFI at all, it doesn't know what PCI-E is, nor SATA / AHCI. It doesn't know what SSDs are, and any of it. It has no maintenance system, requiring you to pretty much re-install the OS every 6 month or so to keep the system at its original newly installed speed.

Not to be harsh, but I have to disagree a bit. There is Windows XP Professional 64bit edition which can adress 4GB+, and it can boot off a new system. With some drivers and antivirus you can have it up and running normally.

And for the reinstall it heavily depends on the user needs. If he's just gaming then you don't have to reinstall. If you are caching a lot of webpages and archiving data, you will have to maintain it.

Even some of my classmates still use XP or have used XP in the near past.

[HectorElFather]

16 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Windows XP has more secure holes than chicken wires. Microsoft said the moment that XP was released that the OS (which is based on Windows NT 3, a 1993 OS) that it is not secured and ready for computers of tomorrow... that was in 2001. Which made the company launch the Longhorn project, aka: Vista.

6 year of development to redo Windows at about 80%. Hence why Vista was buggy, and lacked optimizations, as all that was lost.

 

Windows XP lack of security is well documented, and a 8 year old kid can make a mass virus for the OS. It has 0 security, and doesn't support technologies of tomorrow.

Heck, it doesn't support 64-bit CPUs, nor more than 4GB of RAM, it doesn't support UEFI at all, it doesn't know what PCI-E is, nor SATA / AHCI. It doesn't know what SSDs are, and any of it. It has no maintenance system, requiring you to pretty much re-install the OS every 6 month or so to keep the system at its original newly installed speed.

 

The only operating system you should be installing and using is: Windows 7, 8.x, or 10, or any decently recent Linux distro (~2007-2009 and up).

 

"Windows XP lack of security is well documented and a 8 year old kid can make a mass virus..."

Well I'm 22 and I can't make any viruses so I guess I'm dumber than a 8 year old, great.

 

"Heck, it doesn't support 64-bit CPUs, nor more than 4GB of RAM, it doesn't support UEFI at all, it doesn't know what PCI-E is, nor SATA / AHCI. It doesn't know what SSDs are,"

I've heard about x64 XP's but it may not be true, idk. And wrong, it does know what PCIE and SATA/AHCI. It also knows what SSD's are they just require trimming manually which most new OS does automatically.

[GoodBytes]

10 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

Not to be harsh, but I have to disagree a bit. There is Windows XP Professional 64bit edition which can adress 4GB+, and it can boot off a new system.

Good luck with that.

 

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With some drivers and antivirus you can have it up and running normally.

And for the reinstall it heavily depends on the user needs. If he's just gaming then you don't have to reinstall. If you are caching a lot of webpages and archiving data, you will have to maintain it.

Even some of my classmates still use XP or have used XP in the near past.

You know that XP is bad for gaming and general usage. In fact, the OS acts as it you are low in memory, no matter how much RAM you have.

It was specifically designed for 128 and 256MB of RAM systems, which is what common at the time (128MB what most people had, and 256MB which gamers and workstation had in their systems). Meaning, it was putting anything to page file as it could, no matter how much free RAM you had. Making that when you quit a game, it took for ever to redraw the desktop, and make the system responsive again, with the HDD working double hard as data is paging in and out, and not to mention, the CPU struggling as not only it was under load at the time, but it needed to draw the GUI of Windows. Back then GPU didn't draw the interface of Windows (beside transparency and shadows), it was all handled by the CPU. Why do we have graphics card? Oh yea.. TO DRAW. This also caused problem with games if you alt+tab as well.

 

[GoodBytes]

12 minutes ago, HectorElFather said:

"Heck, it doesn't support 64-bit CPUs, nor more than 4GB of RAM, it doesn't support UEFI at all, it doesn't know what PCI-E is, nor SATA / AHCI. It doesn't know what SSDs are,"

I've heard about x64 XP's but it may not be true, idk. And wrong, it does know what PCIE and SATA/AHCI. It also knows what SSD's are they just require trimming manually which most new OS does automatically.

No it doesn't. It support PCI, and PCIE runs under compatibility mode until the motherboard drivers are installed. If you have Windows XP pre-SP1, it is even worst... where you will be stuck with 256 colors, and your graphics card driver and motherboard driver setup won't even run due to lack of colors... have fun fixing that. Fun Fun...

 

No Windows XP doesn't know what SATA is. You need to set your UEFI (well BIOS now, as you'll need to run THAT under compatibility/emulation mode) to set SATA controller to IDE mode, killing its speed, and loosing AHCI support. The only way to get SATA controller driver installed, is that you get a floppy drive, and a floppy disk, have the driver on the floppy, extracted, and at the beginning of the setup you hit F4, at the right time, as it loads, to load the drivers. If you have a floppy drive and a floppy disk, as well as the connector on your motherboard for it, then great! Else, sorry!

 

And no, Windows XP doesn't know what SSD is. It treats the drive as an HDD.

 

Oh and good luck installing that Anti-Virus!

 

Anyway, you do what you want, I am sure it will be fun week-end project. But don't say I didn't told you so.

[HectorElFather]

1 minute ago, GoodBytes said:

No it doesn't. It support PCI, and PCIE runs under compatibility mode until the motherboard drivers are installed. If you have Windows XP pre-SP1, it is even worst... where you will be stuck with 256 colors, and your graphics card driver and motherboard driver setup won't even run due to lack of colors... have fun fixing that. Fun Fun...

 

No Windows XP doesn't know what SATA is. You need to set your UEFI (well BIOS now, as you'll need to run THAT under compatibility/emulation mode) to set SATA controller to IDE mode, killing its speed, and loosing AHCI support. The only way to get SATA controller driver installed, is that you get a floppy drive, and a floppy disk, have the driver on the floppy, extracted, and at the beginning of the setup you hit F4, at the right time, as it loads, to load the drivers. If you have a floppy drive and a floppy disk, as well as the connector on your motherboard for it, then great! Else, sorry!

 

And no, Windows XP doesn't know what SSD is. It treats the drive as an HDD.

 

 

Ah yeah true it treats SSD as HDD. But I remember switching to AHCI from IDE and it boosted speed.

[GoodBytes]

1 minute ago, HectorElFather said:

But I remember switching to AHCI from IDE and it boosted speed.

Impossible, unless something is broken, or missing drivers, or something...

That is like saying... yea, I swamp my GeForce 1080 with a GeForce FX 5900 on AGP, and now gamers runs faster.

I would investigate onto the issue.

[HectorElFather]

1 minute ago, GoodBytes said:

Impossible, unless something is broken, or missing drivers, or something...

That is like saying... yea, I swamp my GeForce 1080 with a GeForce FX 5900 on AGP, and now gamers runs faster.

I would investigate onto the issue.

 

Man I'm stupid...you're right again I was wrong the whole time because I did that IDE to AHCI change when I had Windows 7 on my shitty core 2 duo 4gb ram pc -.- Sorry

[GoodBytes]

9 minutes ago, HectorElFather said:

Man I'm stupid...you're right again I was wrong the whole time because I did that IDE to AHCI change when I had Windows 7 on my shitty core 2 duo 4gb ram pc -.- Sorry

I was thinking, and all I can think about is that when you enabled AHCi, the BIOS takes more time to boot, but the system drive increase in performance once in Windows.

But that has to do with the BIOS showing its age with modern technology, and hence why we now have UEFI, which can boot from power off (starting with the power button click sound when pressed), to desktop fully loaded on Windows 8/10 from a shutdown state in 6sec (assuming a fully UEFI ready system, properly configured, Fast Boot enabled in Windows, and decently fast SSD).

 

ASUS made a video showing this a while back, I think ASRock did one as well, my Surface Pro 2 also gets such speeds.

 

Anyway, this is off topic.

 

My point is that if you want to install Windows XP run it under a VM. Don't make it your main OS. Sure if you want to have fun and try and install it on a modern computer  as a fun project that is fine as well, but don't run it on a main OS. You will quickly notice that security is so bad, that many software will just refuse to run on your system, hard coded to reject Windows XP, similarly to when you try to run Linux as root. Many software will refuse to run and tell you to make an account, and basically setup your Linux based OS properly, in order to run the the software, not all software, but anyway, you'll see. 

[Djole123]

3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Good luck with that.

 

 

Dude I could boot Windows 1.01 natively on my 2012 EeePC. 

Does it support 32 bit processors? No!

Does it support SATA? No!

Does it support more than 640K of memory? No!

Does it even support any modern features? No!

 

Does it succesfully boot? Yes!

[GoodBytes]

43 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

Dude I could boot Windows 1.01 natively on my 2012 EeePC. 

Does it support 32 bit processors? No!

Does it support SATA? No!

Does it support more than 640K of memory? No!

Does it even support any modern features? No!

 

Does it succesfully boot? Yes!

Are you using these hardware features to its full capabilities? No. And here is the problem, now try and make everything work fully, making you pay for things you don't use. Waste of money, waste of power, and general waste... we are producing enougth waste as it is. No need to encourage such behavior. Use what you bought, or buy what you need.

[Fetzie]

2 hours ago, Djole123 said:

Not to be harsh, but I have to disagree a bit. There is Windows XP Professional 64bit edition which can adress 4GB+, and it can boot off a new system. With some drivers and antivirus you can have it up and running normally.

And for the reinstall it heavily depends on the user needs. If he's just gaming then you don't have to reinstall. If you are caching a lot of webpages and archiving data, you will have to maintain it.

Even some of my classmates still use XP or have used XP in the near past.

64bit windows XP is way too unstable for a daily driver system.

[Donut417]

10 hours ago, Djole123 said:

Not to be harsh, but I have to disagree a bit. There is Windows XP Professional 64bit edition which can adress 4GB+, and it can boot off a new system. With some drivers and antivirus you can have it up and running normally.

And for the reinstall it heavily depends on the user needs. If he's just gaming then you don't have to reinstall. If you are caching a lot of webpages and archiving data, you will have to maintain it.

Even some of my classmates still use XP or have used XP in the near past.

64Bit XP is a pile of Dog Crap. I used it for an extended period of time. It was slow and clunky. Windows 7 was a welcomed upgrade, like 1 month after it came out. XP is dead unless your the United States Navy. So just let XP die with dignity.