GTx 1080 REFERNCE CARD IS GOOD

[razor007]

38 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Are you running a 1080 at 1600x900?

Yes 

[Enderman]

6 minutes ago, Prysin said:

So Nvidia released a "290X".... people think its fine.

 

geez. too much fanboying.

no, they just released a card with a very aggressive fan curve that lowered the turboboost to base clocks over time

its not real throttling, since it never drops below base clock

thats just how turboboost 3 works

[Prysin]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

no, they just released a card with a very aggressive fan curve that lowered the turboboost to base clocks over time

its not real throttling, since it never drops below base clock

thats just how turboboost 3 works

(facepalm)

Ah, well, whatever floats your goat man.

 

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

no, they just released a card with a very aggressive fan curve that lowered the turboboost to base clocks over time

its not real throttling, since it never drops below base clock

thats just how turboboost 3 works

Bear with me. A GPU is released. GPU has a boost function. GPU Boosts high to achieve good performance. GPU overheats. GPU throttles to base clock. GPU has no heat issues. One of those sentences is wrong. Care to guess which?

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

(facepalm)

Ah, well, whatever floats your goat man.

 

did the 290x throttle belkow base clock?

i dont remember it doing that, it just got very hot

[Prysin]

Just now, Enderman said:

did the 290x throttle belkow base clock?

i dont remember it doing that, it just got very hot

and couldnt retain a stable clock speed. Sure it kept STOCK clocks. but it couldnt retain a STABLE clock.

Without a STABLE clock, you get stuttering with GPUs.

 

Come on man, this is GPU 101. You should know this by now.

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Bear with me. A GPU is released. GPU has a boost function. GPU Boosts high to achieve good performance. GPU overheats. GPU throttles to base clock. GPU has no heat issues. One of those sentences is wrong. Care to guess which?

the "GPU overheats" one

because it always stays below 83C due to turboboost lowering the clock speed

 

or you can remove the thermal limit and it will stay below 87C, which is still safe and far from "overheating"

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

the "GPU overheats" one

because it always stays below 83C due to turboboost lowering the clock speed

 

or you can remove the thermal limit and it will stay below 87C, which is still safe and far from "overheating"

By definition: Overheating occurs when a microprocessor reaches a critical thermal threshold causing clockspeeds to drop and potentially shut down.

What part of "1080 overheats" is wrong?

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

By definition: Overheating occurs when a microprocessor reaches a critical thermal threshold causing clockspeeds to drop and potentially shut down.

What part of "1080 overheats" is wrong?

the part of "critical"

its not critical

if I set my thermal limit to 20C my card with never turbo boost

is that overheating? LOL NOPE

 

nvidia's "critical thermal threshold" aka tjmax is 105C

thats when it will shut itself down to prevent damage from "overheating"

aka heating up to the point of damage

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

the part of "critical"

its not critical

if I set my thermal limit to 20C my card with never turbo boost

is that overheating? LOL NOPE

 

nvidia's "critical thermal threshold" aka tjmax is 105C

thats when it will shut itself down to prevent damage from "overheating"

aka heating up to the point of damage

Critical temps are set via Bios - in this case Nvidia have set it to 84-87*C. That means that if the GPU refuses to go over that temp and lower clockspeed to sustain it then it is O V E R H E A T I N G. End of story. Unless you feel like arguing against dictionaries....

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Critical temps are set via Bios - in this case Nvidia have set it to 84-87*C. That means that if the GPU refuses to go over that temp and lower clockspeed to sustain it then it is O V E R H E A T I N G. End of story. Unless you feel like arguing against dictionaries....

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2752/~/nvidia-gpu-maximum-operating-temperature-and-overheating

GET TOLD

[don_svetlio]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2752/~/nvidia-gpu-maximum-operating-temperature-and-overheating

GET TOLD

Then why did they put a fan on it? Just let it run at 100*C - nothing bad could possible come

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Then why did they put a fan on it? Just let it run at 100*C - nothing bad could possible come

because without a fan it would reach far beyond 100C..........

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

because without a fan it would reach far beyond 100C..........

Would it? I've seen passively cooled 200W 680s and 7970s. Why not a passive 1080?

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Would it? I've seen passively cooled 200W 680s and 7970s. Why not a passive 1080?

because it would need a much larger heatsink, and one that is not inside a shroud with 0 airflow

 

have you seen the passive heatsink 980s?

they are huuuge

nobody want something like that in their case

 

if you want to put a passive heatsink on your 1080 then go ahead, just set the temp limit to 90C or 100C and make sure your case has good airflow and everything will work great and be quiet

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

because it would need a much larger heatsink, and one that is not inside a shroud with 0 airflow

 

have you seen the passive heatsink 980s?

they are huuuge

nobody want something like that in their case

Then why not let the card go to 90 or 95*C instead of capping it at 83*C? Why don't Nvidia let the 1080 boost to 2GHz at 90*C? Want to know why? Cuase it's bad for it - cause even 83*C is not healthy.

[Biecher]

24 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

It actually does matter. A 12-phase VRM system will result in 3x lower stress on the mosfetts and caps than a 4-phase design and that means lower temps, more stable voltage, less electrical interference/noise and higher OCs assuming the chip has been binned. VRMs are the most important thing after the PSU for a good OC.

right, the more buck converter, the better. But if it does not translate into a better OC, why should I spent my money on it.

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Then why not let the card go to 90 or 95*C instead of capping it at 83*C? Why don't Nvidia let the 1080 boost to 2GHz at 90*C? Want to know why? Cuase it's bad for it - cause even 83*C is not healthy.

yeah the hotter it is the less lifespan it has

even at 90 or 95C it would still last you half a decade until you upgrade your GPU

but nvidia doesnt only sell these cards to people like you

some people buy them for servers and stuff running 24/7 at max temperature, so to lower the number of possible dead cards they limit it at 83C by default

 

for the regular gamer who games a few hours a day and will upgrade in 5-10 years its definitely safe to go to 85-90C

 

either way, you're just derailing the thread, because my point is that the actual card is not throttling, only turboboost is

 

if your intel CPU uses 2 cores instead of just 1 and only gets to 3.9GHz instead of 4.0 due to speedstep, you dont call that throttling too, do you? lol

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

yeah the hotter it is the less lifespan it has

even at 90 or 95C it would still last you half a decade until you upgrade your GPU

but nvidia doesnt only sell these cards to people like you

some people buy them for servers and stuff running 24/7 at max temperature, so to lower the number of possible dead cards they limit it at 83C by default

 

for the regular gamer who games a few hours a day and will upgrade in 5-10 years its definitely safe to go to 85-90C

 

either way, you're just derailing the thread, because my point is that the actual card is not throttling, only turboboost is

 

if your intel CPU uses 2 cores instead of just 1 and only gets to 3.9GHz instead of 4.0 due to speedstep, you dont call that throttling too, do you? lol

No, I don't. Why? Cause the CPU is not being utilized at 100% unlike the GPU in this scenario. Pointless comparison

5 years at 90*C? Yeah, that seems as likely as pigs flying. And last time I checked, my steak didn't have wings

[Phase]

9 minutes ago, Enderman said:

yeah the hotter it is the less lifespan it has

even at 90 or 95C it would still last you half a decade until you upgrade your GPU

but nvidia doesnt only sell these cards to people like you

some people buy them for servers and stuff running 24/7 at max temperature, so to lower the number of possible dead cards they limit it at 83C by default

 

for the regular gamer who games a few hours a day and will upgrade in 5-10 years its definitely safe to go to 85-90C

 

either way, you're just derailing the thread, because my point is that the actual card is not throttling, only turboboost is

 

if your intel CPU uses 2 cores instead of just 1 and only gets to 3.9GHz instead of 4.0 due to speedstep, you dont call that throttling too, do you? lol

don_svetlio will never admit he misspoke. This has been proven in multiple threads. Just move on. FE works fine. 

[don_svetlio]

3 minutes ago, Phase said:

don_svetlio will never admit he misspoke. This has been proven in multiple threads. Just move on. FE works fine. 

Care to link these "multiple threads" - I'd love to read the "proof".

@Prysin want to read with me?

[leelaa14]

58 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

It will

at 1080p a lot of cpu's will bott

 

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

... fan speed and volume in DB at 1m?

 

Also.... 4690k + 1080... Wow. Enjoying your bottleneck much?

No bottleneck at 1440p

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, leelaa14 said:

at 1080p a lot of cpu's will bott

 

No bottleneck at 1440p

It will bottleneck at any resolution

[leelaa14]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

It will bottleneck at any resolution

But it isn't.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, leelaa14 said:

But it isn't.

Oh it is. The 1080 is over 20% faster than the 980 TI. i5s already bottlenecked the 980 Ti a bit.