Polaris vs Pascal, 14nm vs 16nm

[Matthewv1998]

So as of today, may 9th. Pascal has been reviled and is  supposedly coming out this month as well as possibly polairs. So what we know is that for polairs, it is 2.5x perf/watt made on a 14nm die and is for both desktop and laptop, mainstream perfotmance around to be rumored at max with 490x being 980ti grade performance.  

For pascal it is made on a 16nm die, using gddr5x (and possibly their own form of hbm later on)  2x more performance then the titian x and 3x more efficent. And is for desktop (dont know anything for laptops yet). 

But does amd have the upper hand still? Even though pascal is obviosly faster does that 2nm diffrence between the two give amd any kinf of chance to kick pascals ass? Will that 2nm diffrence in 2017 for Vega blow us away and pull up from pascal?, will it simpily tie performance between the brands? Or will we get the best of both worlds, an extremely high performance hbm gpu with a really low tdp?

 

Edited May 9, 2016 by Matthewv1998
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[DXMember]

Polaris should be later next month though

the 2x titan x on pascal is in vr only though

 

seeing as TSMC can clock their 16nm chips to 2GHz and beyond, I'm interested in how will the GloFo chips clock

[Aytex]

4 minutes ago, Matthewv1998 said:

Even though pascal is obviosly faster does that 2nm

how do you know that?

 

Benchmarks/source?

 

the fact that we still don't have benchmarks for the 1070/1080 makes this hard to believe

[AlwaysFSX]

2nm won't make a difference, architecture and drivers will.

[FuriousGamer]

5 minutes ago, Matthewv1998 said:

So as of today, may 9th. Pascal has been reviled and is  supposedly coming out this month as well as possibly polairs. So what we know is that for polairs, it is 2.5x perf/watt made on a 14nm die and is for both desktop and laptop, mainstream perfotmance around to be rumored at max with 490x being 980ti grade performance.  

For pascal it is made on a 16nm die, using gddr5x (and possibly their own form of hbm later on)  2x more performance then the titian x and 3x more efficent. And is for desktop (dont know anything for laptops yet). 

But does amd have the upper hand still? Even though pascal is obviosly faster does that 2nm diffrence between the two give amd any kinf of chance to kick pascals ass? Will that 2nm diffrence in 2017 for Vega blow us away and pull up from pascal?, will it simpily tie performance between the brands? Or will we get the best of both worlds, an extremely high performance hbm gpu with a really low tdp?

 

Sources? I havent heard shit about real polaris specs. 

[Matthewv1998]

1 minute ago, Aytex said:

how do you know that?

 

Benchmarks/source?

 

the fact that we still don't have benchmarks for the 1070/1080 makes this hard to believe

Polairs is more mainstream as pascal is aimed at highend. I know that at this time there are no benchmarks. But if nivda says what is true, pascal is a pretty high end part

[Aytex]

2 minutes ago, Matthewv1998 said:

Polairs is more mainstream as pascal is aimed at highend. I know that at this time there are no benchmarks. But if nivda says what is true, pascal is a pretty high end part

You actually beleive that the 1080 is faster than 980 sli?? lol

you realize most of their benchmarks are "fake" (not entirely just saying most of them are just exaggerations)

They just take the highest number in the list and put it on there

 

Its not just nvidia who does that, any other company does that as well

[Matthewv1998]

2 minutes ago, FuriousGamer said:

Sources? I havent heard shit about real polaris specs. 

I am pulling this stuff from amd and nvidas sites as well as some rumors. I know a lot of this we dont fully know

[Shahnewaz]

13 minutes ago, Matthewv1998 said:

So as of today, may 9th. Pascal has been reviled and is  supposedly coming out this month as well as possibly polairs. So what we know is that for polairs, it is 2.5x perf/watt made on a 14nm die and is for both desktop and laptop, mainstream perfotmance around to be rumored at max with 490x being 980ti grade performance.  

For pascal it is made on a 16nm die, using gddr5x (and possibly their own form of hbm later on)  2x more performance then the titian x and 3x more efficent. And is for desktop (dont know anything for laptops yet). 

But does amd have the upper hand still? Even though pascal is obviosly faster does that 2nm diffrence between the two give amd any kinf of chance to kick pascals ass? Will that 2nm diffrence in 2017 for Vega blow us away and pull up from pascal?, will it simpily tie performance between the brands? Or will we get the best of both worlds, an extremely high performance hbm gpu with a really low tdp?

Let me help you with that...

[I am an SSD]

4 minutes ago, Aytex said:

You actually beleive that the 1080 is faster than 980 sli?? lol

you realize most of their benchmarks are "fake" (not entirely just saying most of them are just exaggerations)

They just take the highest number in the list and put it on there

 

Its not just nvidia who does that, any other company does that as well

Cant really blame them..its a fantastic selling point....the PCMR portion of the internet just exploded when he said that....

[Matthewv1998]

17 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

2nm won't make a difference, architecture and drivers will.

It will as so far polairs will be super low watt so far but with that diffrence and amd doesnt mess this up. Will that 2nm diffrence allow amd to cram more things in then pascal can offer? Enough to blow pascal away or just barely pull ahead of it?

[AlwaysFSX]

1 minute ago, Matthewv1998 said:

It will as so far polairs will be super low watt so far but with that diffrence and amd doesnt mess this up. Will that 2nm diffrence allow amd to cram more things in then pascal can offer? Enough to blow pascal away or just barely pull ahead of it?

Please, it's AMD, their blowing away days are in the past. I'd be pretty surprised if they could out perform Nvidia's cards.

 

Again, 2nm is not going to make a difference, it's a scale that's so small you can't believe how much they're the same.

[Matthewv1998]

20 minutes ago, DXMember said:

Polaris should be later next month though

the 2x titan x on pascal is in vr only though

 

seeing as TSMC can clock their 16nm chips to 2GHz and beyond, I'm interested in how will the GloFo chips clock

It will be. But since polaris is low wattage, maybe not a lot but i am not sure. 

[Matthewv1998]

6 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Please, it's AMD, their blowing away days are in the past. I'd be pretty surprised if they could out perform Nvidia's cards.

 

Again, 2nm is not going to make a difference, it's a scale that's so small you can't believe how much they're the same.

I know that 2nm is small but it is still room for leverage. Amd admitted that polairis wont be super high end. aimed at the mainstream market for VR easier to access for everyone. 

[awesomeness10120]

6 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Please, it's AMD, their blowing away days are in the past. I'd be pretty surprised if they could out perform Nvidia's cards.

 

Again, 2nm is not going to make a difference, it's a scale that's so small you can't believe how much they're the same.

You cannot deny that they are doing a good job for what they have They have much less cash in the bank and need to make high volume high profit product s fast. 

[Malaki Titi]

4 minutes ago, Matthewv1998 said:

I know that 2nm is small but it is still room for leverage. Amd admitted that polairis wont be super high end. aimed at the mainstream market for VR easier to access for everyone. 

Aiming at high end is more beneficial.  You can scale down your product to trickle down to the lower tier far easier than the other way around.

[Malaki Titi]

6 minutes ago, awesomeness10120 said:

You cannot deny that they are doing a good job for what they have They have much less cash in the bank and need to make high volume high profit product s fast. 

Unfortunately they're aiming for the 380 segment.  Something that's already outdated.

[ivan134]

47 minutes ago, Malaki Titi said:

Unfortunately they're aiming for the 380 segment.  Something that's already outdated.

Please stop spreading nonsense on here.

[gcubed]

35 minutes ago, Matthewv1998 said:

I know that 2nm is small but it is still room for leverage. Amd admitted that polairis wont be super high end. aimed at the mainstream market for VR easier to access for everyone. 

 

This size difference is not large enough to overcome a better design. The question is who has the better design, and we won't know that until we get our gubby little meat hooks on a sampling of both designs.

[Malaki Titi]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Please stop spreading nonsense on here.

AMD stated that Polaris is shooting for the 380 segment.

[ivan134]

It's probably not going to matter. Architecture and driver support is going to play a much bigger role than 2nm.

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, Malaki Titi said:

AMD stated that Polaris is shooting for the 380 segment.

How is the 380 outdated?

[awesomeness10120]

7 minutes ago, Malaki Titi said:

AMD stated that Polaris is shooting for the 380 segment.

How is a mid to low cost segment outdated? 

[gcubed]

9 minutes ago, awesomeness10120 said:

How is a mid to low cost segment outdated? 

That is the funny thing.

 

Not everyone is trying to push six 2k monitors at 400 FPS with game settings at ultra ridiculous.

[Malaki Titi]

10 minutes ago, awesomeness10120 said:

How is a mid to low cost segment outdated? 

380 can barely game at 1080p on high/ultra with a sustained minimum of 60 fps.

1080p/60fps is the minimum standard for PC gaming outside of 3rd world countries.