5400rpm HDD's Need to Die

[79wjd]

44 minutes ago, Arc_Jester said:

I'm talking about end of life failure, when an SSD runs out of writes you can still recover the data but with a HDD there is a high chance that data won't be recovered or the drive will be thrown away without trying.When it comes to a hardware failure I am much more comfortable replacing surface mount components than I am tinkering with a HDD but that's just me.

Unless you're writing terabytes of data on a daily basis for like a decade you won't run out of writes. If an ssd is going to die it's going to either be caused by bad flash (which i think would  just cause corrupted data in that sector) or a controller failure (which will basically mean your data is gone withou professional help).

 

i mean, if you're going to do actual board repairs then you're in the irrelevantly small fraction of a percent of people. And in that case you would be considered the professional repairer. 

[Mark77]

Only reason why 5400rpm HDDs are still going into laptops (but not that many) is to get product out the door at a certain price point.  But SSD prices are plummeting so fast that given another year or two, even the junky "back to school" laptops for $300 will have SSDs soon enough.

 

Laptops actually help resolve one of the SSD's more common failure modes, and that is, unclean shutdowns.  As they contain a built-in UPS. 

[xentropa]

I never noticed a huge difference in speeds between 5400 and 7200 rpm.  15k rpm drives should die.

 

I do agree that the 2.5 inch HDD will phase out soon.  HDDs are for archive purposes now since magnetic data is relatively insensitive to heat and can retain for decades.  But for everyday use and temporary files, SSDs beat HDDs in almost every respect.  Only the 3.5 inch drive might survive, but I think within 5 years the 2.5 inch HDD will be gone.

 

 

21 hours ago, Arc_Jester said:

 

If an SSD fails you can still take files off of it you just can't write anything new to it but with a HDD most of the time those files are gone for good.

I don't know.... What I was led to know is when an SSD fails, it is due to too many high voltage erase/write cycles damaging the floating gate transistor and eventually forming a parasitic Ohmic contact with Source/Drain.  This would probably cause the flash cell to permanently become "1"

[NumLock21]

22 hours ago, MEC-777 said:

Why are these still being paired with mid-range to high-end laptops??? I get that they are lower power (barely) and cheap. But from what I understand, most people don't need 1TB or even 500GB of storage on laptops. A lot of people don't need more than 256GB. It would make more sense to me to have mid-rage and higher-end laptops come standard with 256-480GB SSD instead (I know some of the higher-end ones do). If you need more space you can always get an external drive. 

 

I just got a really good deal on a decently powerful gaming laptop (i5-5200u, 8GB, 940M) but it's such a let-down and is agonizingly slow with the 5400rpm 1TB HDD it comes with. I don't need a full 1TB of storage on this thing and will be replacing it most likely with a 480GB SSD very soon. SSD's are stating to get much more affordable and people don't need huge amounts of storage for the most part with everything being "online" these days. I also believe people would probably gladly pay a little more to get the screaming fast speeds of an SSD at the expense of less storage if they were to experience and see the difference in person. 

 

At least make the minimum standard as 7200rpm drives and nothing less. 

 

Just a little rant. What do you guys think? 

7,200rpm HDD and SSD drives up cost. It's a dumb move for them to include faster HDD or SSD into a laptop when majority of Joe and Jane don't know much, don't really care, and only want laptops that cost $250-300 dollars. Just upgrade to a SSD and use your 1TB as a portable external hdd. Want a SSD then grab a more expensive model. What is there to complain about?

[MEC-777]

On 4/23/2016 at 3:57 PM, NumLock21 said:

7,200rpm HDD and SSD drives up cost. It's a dumb move for them to include faster HDD or SSD into a laptop when majority of Joe and Jane don't know much, don't really care, and only want laptops that cost $250-300 dollars. Just upgrade to a SSD and use your 1TB as a portable external hdd. Want a SSD then grab a more expensive model. What is there to complain about?

In cheaper laptops, sure I understand and don't care as much. At higher price points ($700+) I wouldn't mind at least seeing the option for an SSD, even if it adds a little more to the price, rather than having no choice but a 5400 drive. 

 

I do plan on changing it out for an SSD, as I mentioned before. 

 

After having used the laptop for a couple days now, it's not absolutely horrible. But the initial Windows setup, installing all my main programs and removing all the Acer bloatware, that whole process did take quite some time. I look forward to the day when the cost of SSD's is much closer to that of HDD's.  

[NumLock21]

38 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

In cheaper laptops, sure I understand and don't care as much. At higher price points ($700+) I wouldn't mind at least seeing the option for an SSD, even if it adds a little more to the price, rather than having no choice but a 5400 drive. 

 

I do plan on changing it out for an SSD, as I mentioned before. 

 

After having used the laptop for a couple days now, it's not absolutely horrible. But the initial Windows setup, installing all my main programs and removing all the Acer bloatware, that whole process did take quite some time. I look forward to the day when the cost of SSD if much closer to that of HDD's.  

Went to Best Buy the other day to check out some laptops they have on display and majority of them have a 256GB SSD for around $700ish. Some fancier models are around $1,000+. I was expecting to see all of them with HDDs, and there weren't many that has it. I didn't really count them, say out of 20 laptops they have on display, about 14 of them have SSD and 6 have HDDs.

[MEC-777]

On 4/24/2016 at 0:38 AM, NumLock21 said:

Went to Best Buy the other day to check out some laptops they have on display and majority of them have a 256GB SSD for around $700ish. Some fancier models are around $1,000+. I was expecting to see all of them with HDDs, and there weren't many that has it. I didn't really count them, say out of 20 laptops they have on display, about 14 of them have SSD and 6 have HDDs.

Well, then I rest my case.  I have not seen that much myself in local stores here, but maybe they're in transition.