Edward Snowden sues the Norwegian state

[Mihle]

"History" behind this:

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Edward Snowden has been awarded the prestigious Ossietzky Prize by Norwegian PEN. He has been invited to receive the award in Oslo in November. 

Snowden reportedly has a strong desire to come to Norway to receive the award in November, but fears that the Norwegian authorities will extradite him to the United States if he comes to the country.

It wasnt Snowden alone:

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Norwegian PEN has commisioned the law firm Schjødt to ensure that Snowden can travel safely to Norway to receive the prize, without risking extradition to the United States. On behalf of Snowden and Norwegian PEN, Law firm Schjødt has filed a petition to Oslo City Court in order to allow Snowden to travel to Norway without fear of extradition to the US, where he faces decades of imprisonment under the “Espionage Act, writes Norwegian PEN.

NOTE: the article is not the best one

 

Norwegian PEN is suing the Norwegian state on behalf of Snowden.

 

If this goes trough it will be a big victory for Snowden and other people in the same kind of situation.

And they have the extradition agreement on their side, because in Norway, the extradition agreement paragraph 5 says that people that a country want extradited because of something that has political motive, can not be extradited.

After what I know, that part of the agreement has never been in use in court in Norway, at least not in recent times.

 

btw. Norwegian goverment have never said that they would send him to US, they just have not guaranteed to not do it.

 

Sources:

English:

http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5277-edward-snowden-sues-norway-usa-russia-pen-norwegian (not the best article, but was the first English article that I found, may be better to just using google translate on the Norwegian articles)

Norwegian:

http://norskpen.no/2016/04/21/pressemelding-edward-snowden-saksoker-den-norske-stat/

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Edward-Snowden-gar-til-sak-mot-den-norske-staten-8439510.html

http://www.nrk.no/urix/edward-snowden-saksoker-norge-1.12911684

[themaniac]

what is the Norwegian PEN?

[Mihle]

6 minutes ago, themaniac said:

what is the Norwegian PEN?

Norwegian part of International PEN.

 

International PENs site: http://www.pen-international.org

Norwegian PENs site: http://norskpen.no

 

btw this is my first news topic

[Yog]

Could that really be considered a suit? The article calls it a petition as well...which doesn't seem like a suit to me.

[Mihle]

16 minutes ago, Yog said:

Could that really be considered a suit? The article calls it a petition as well...which doesn't seem like a suit to me.

that article is not the best translation at all, its not a petition, summons is a better translation of that word in the article.

 

may be better of just using google translate on the Norwegian articles

 

Top post updated with that.

[dditty]

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[MMKing]

''Saksøk'' does indeed translate to lawsuit, at least in the context of law. Literally, ''sak'' can be translated to thing or case, søk translates to search. So ''CaseSearch'' is the literal translation, which better reflects what is being done. PEN Norway is bringing a legal case to the courts attention, with the wish and intent that a legal case is officially established and the outcome has a legal effect.

[Notional]

From the Norwegian sources, is simply says that Schjødt, a law firm, is suing the Norwegian state on behalf of Snowden. The point is to establish a legal precedence to whether he (or other in his situation) can legally be extradited to the US (or other countries) based on his "crime".

 

Hopefully there will be a precedence set to disallow the Norwegian state to extradite him. Maybe Sweden can finally fuck off and stop being such shitty social marxist tards.

[Mihle]

15 minutes ago, Notional said:

From the Norwegian sources, is simply says that Schjødt, a law firm, is suing the Norwegian state on behalf of Snowden. The point is to establish a legal precedence to whether he (or other in his situation) can legally be extradited to the US (or other countries) based on his "crime".

 

Hopefully there will be a precedence set to disallow the Norwegian state to extradite him. Maybe Sweden can finally fuck off and stop being such shitty social marxist tards.

just saying, I am not that good at explaining stuff, and my English isnt that good

[Notional]

3 minutes ago, Mihle Gaming said:

just saying, I am not that good at explaining stuff, and my English isnt that good

Øvelse gør mester 

 

But precedence is never mentioned outright, but that is what Schjødt is trying to accomplish.

[Prysin]

Snowden wouldnt get extradited. The Norwegian gov has one two different occasions refused to extradite people to the US because we deem the prison conditions outright inhumane.

[Mihle]

3 hours ago, Prysin said:

Snowden wouldnt get extradited. The Norwegian gov has one two different occasions refused to extradite people to the US because we deem the prison conditions outright inhumane.

They have said that, but they havent guaranteed it, an thats the point.

[Guest]

I'd say that the title is very clickbaity. It's an organization doing it on his behalf and the 'suit' is more of an appeal.

Also Snowden's a great guy and all, but the reasons he's wanted in the US are definitely more than political.

[Mihle]

13 minutes ago, Svinsparbriivu said:

I'd say that the title is very clickbaity. It's an organization doing it on his behalf and the 'suit' is more of an appeal.

Also Snowden's a great guy and all, but the reasons he's wanted in the US are definitely more than political.

I am using the title Norwegian PEN used themselves and all the news site uses.

Snowden wanted the organization to do it.

[That Norwegian Guy]

Hope he'll get his prize without issues. We wouldn't want this to set bad precedent for future Nobel prizes either. Norway needs to remember its role as a central diplomatic power, or has it been too long since the Oslo treaty and the current politicians would rather be USA's lapdogs?

[Blade of Grass]

Petition is the correct word, a summons is incorrect. A summons calls someone to court whereas a petition asks the court to do something for you. 

7 hours ago, Svinsparbriivu said:

I'd say that the title is very clickbaity. It's an organization doing it on his behalf and the 'suit' is more of an appeal.

Also Snowden's a great guy and all, but the reasons he's wanted in the US are definitely more than political.

It's fairly accurate. It is a lawsuit, and in basically every legal case you'll ever hear about the plaintiff will have someone representing them.

A lawsuit is a pretty general term which encompasses most non-criminal court proceedings. You sue someone if they slander you, you sue someone if they damage your property, you sue someone to get them not to do something (an injunction). In this case, the company is petitioning (a specific type of lawsuit) the court to get them to rule on whether or not Snowden can be extradited. 

[Mihle]

1 hour ago, Blade of Grass said:

Petition is the correct word, a summons is incorrect. A summons calls someone to court whereas a petition asks the court to do something for you. 

It's fairly accurate. It is a lawsuit, and in basically every legal case you'll ever hear about the plaintiff will have someone representing them.

A lawsuit is a pretty general term which encompasses most non-criminal court proceedings. You sue someone if they slander you, you sue someone if they damage your property, you sue someone to get them not to do something (an injunction). In this case, the company is petitioning (a specific type of lawsuit) the court to get them to rule on whether or not Snowden can be extradited. 

 

My English isn't very good  but google translate translates the Norwegian word for it to summons or writ, and if you switch the Wikipedia site on the Norwegian word to English, its the site of summons.

But I dont know if the Norwegian word "stevning" even have a English word that means exactly the same and nothingelse

 

Steving basically is a document that get sent in to court to start a lawsuit. It is that and nothing else.

 

But I would call this tread a little bit of a mess when it comes to this.

[shdowhunt60]

12 hours ago, Prysin said:

Snowden wouldnt get extradited. The Norwegian gov has one two different occasions refused to extradite people to the US because we deem the prison conditions outright inhumane.

A lot of people in the US would happen to agree.

[Master Disaster]

On 21/04/2016 at 3:02 PM, Mihle Gaming said:

"History" behind this:

It wasnt Snowden alone:

NOTE: I think the article may men summons, not petition (not the best transportation from Norwegian in the article) but my English isnt good enough to know.

 

Norwegian PEN is suing the Norwegian state on behalf of Snowden.

 

If this goes trough it will be a big victory for Snowden and other people in the same kind of situation.

And they have the extradition agreement on their side, because in Norway, the extradition agreement paragraph 5 says that people that a country want extradited because of something that has political motive, can not be extradited.

After what I know, that part of the agreement has never been in use in court in Norway, at least not in recent times.

 

btw. Norwegian goverment have never said that they would send him to US, they just have not guaranteed to not do it.

 

Sources:

English:

http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5277-edward-snowden-sues-norway-usa-russia-pen-norwegian (not the best translation, but was the first English article that I found, may be better to just using google translate on the Norwegian articles)

Norwegian:

http://norskpen.no/2016/04/21/pressemelding-edward-snowden-saksoker-den-norske-stat/

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Edward-Snowden-gar-til-sak-mot-den-norske-staten-8439510.html

http://www.nrk.no/urix/edward-snowden-saksoker-norge-1.12911684

In law Petition means

 

"Law. an application for a court order or for some judicial actiion."

 

[Mihle]

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

In law Petition means

 

"Law. an application for a court order or for some judicial actiion."

 

 

dam, so petition is the right word, then google translate and wikipedia have wrong. also that definition isn't exactly the same as the Norwegian word.

 

This is a mess

[Prysin]

2 hours ago, shdowhunt60 said:

A lot of people in the US would happen to agree.

you mean the 10+ million that IS in jail???

[shdowhunt60]

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

you mean the 10+ million that IS in jail???

Especially the ones for non-violent crimes.