Gtx 970 vs 9604gb maxed out 1080p

[VictorSimtion]

Hi guys,

I'm building a 1000$ skylake pc it's mostly for gaming and I'm using a 1080p monitor should I go with 970 or 960 4gb I want to Play at highest quality 

       

[Hodor]

970

[Moonzy]

970, though the R9 390 will perform better in most games

as well as in DX12 (by about 1.5x the performance of 970)

not to mention more vram too

[RollinLower]

get a 390. games like rise of the tomb raider already use more then 4GB VRAM on maxed settings at 1080. these days you just need more to max everything out.

[havarka]

i don't know if 970 or 390, but for maxed out 960 for sure not!

[Majestic]

None of them.

 

 

 

If you want to max everything, you need a 980TI/Fury X. Or a 980 and the knowledge to overclock.

[SeanAngelo]

1 hour ago, VictorSimtion said:

Hi guys,

I'm building a 1000$ skylake pc it's mostly for gaming and I'm using a 1080p monitor should I go with 970 or 960 4gb I want to Play at highest quality 

       

390

[othertomperson]

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

as well as in DX12 (by about 1.5x the performance of 970)

I wish I had your crystal ball because there is zero evidence of this yet.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, othertomperson said:

I wish I had your crystal ball because there is zero evidence of this yet.

i like my crystal ball very much...

 

[othertomperson]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

i like my crystal ball very much...

 

 

So one shit port is enough for you to make a snap judgement?

 

I can do that too. Assassins Creed Unity ran shit across all GPUs, therefore Directx 11 is going to not work for anyone in any game ever!

 

At the moment we have Quantum Break, Hitman and Ashes of the Singularity. We have no idea which features of Dx12 are even going to be implemented by devs. We have no idea of the time scales that it is going to take for more features to be implemented. We have no idea how legacy cards (and both the 970 and 390 will be legacy by the time this is important) will handle it. And here you are claiming that you know way more than Nvidia or AMD themselves based on one apparently awful game.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, othertomperson said:

Assassins Creed Unity ran shit across all GPUs

we're comparing gpu, not direct X versions

so if the 970 and 390 both ran like sht on the game means they're both almost the same on DX11 `-` which they are

 

see how your logic works? i definitely dont lol

 

its a given fact that DX12 runs better on AMD cards by a significant amount

[othertomperson]

Just now, Moonzy said:

we're comparing gpu, not direct X versions

so if the 970 and 390 both ran like sht on the game means they're both almost the same on DX11 `-` which they are

 

see how your logic works? i definitely dont lol

 

its a given fact that DX12 runs better on AMD cards by a significant amount

 

OK then, if you need more examples to see the point. The Witcher 3 ran much better on Nvidia cards than AMD. Therefore Directx 11 favours Nvidia. Tomb Raider 2013 ran better on AMD systems than Nvidia, therefore Directx 11 favours AMD.

 

I can make examples like this all day. It is not new for certain games to favour one brand over the other. The point is that you are saying that "it's a given fact" when no, no it isn't. Nothing is a given fact, we need evidence for it, and three games is a piss-poor sample size that tells you nothing.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, othertomperson said:

 

give me an example that 970 ran better on dx12 by about 50% above the 390 `-`

[othertomperson]

Just now, Moonzy said:

give me an example that 970 ran better on dx12 by about 50% above the 390 `-`

Give me more than three fucking games to even look at. Owait there are no more than three in existence. Jesus Christ.

 

My point is to WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE GAMES TO BENCHMARK, BEFORE PRE-EMPTING THEIR BENCHMARK RESULTS.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, othertomperson said:

Give me more than three fucking games to even look at. Owait there are no more than three in existence. Jesus Christ.

 

My point is to WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE GAMES TO BENCHMARK, BEFORE PRE-EMPTING THEIR BENCHMARK RESULTS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support

go look at some benchmarks online of 390 vs 970 in these games

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support

go look at some benchmarks online of 390 vs 970 in these games

 

Most of those are Early Access (aka public alpha). Put your AMD-obsession aside for a minute and read a book about statistics. Nothing we have is significant yet. Wait for there to be actual meaningful data to to base any opinion on.

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

Give me more than three fucking games to even look at. Owait there are no more than three in existence. Jesus Christ.

 

My point is to WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE GAMES TO BENCHMARK, BEFORE PRE-EMPTING THEIR BENCHMARK RESULTS.

and if u include nvidia gameworks,

i wont say you're wrong

 

but thats just stupid

 

gameworks is stupid and no one should ever turn gameworks effects on just to cripple their own performance

[othertomperson]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

and if u include nvidia gameworks,

i wont say you're wrong

 

but thats just stupid

 

gameworks is stupid and no one should ever turn gameworks effects on just to cripple their own performance

 

You understand what a can of worms that argument is though? You can make a 970 or 390 appear best if you arbitrarily turn off certain effects each find demanding.

[Moonzy]

Just now, othertomperson said:

 

You understand what a can of worms that argument is though? You can make a 970 or 390 appear best if you arbitrarily turn off certain effects each find demanding.

thats why i wont say you're wrong if you compare games with gameworks and say nvidia is better

 

its just that

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anyway this is going no where so ill refrain myself from replying lol

 

i agree my sample size is small, but if it beats the 970 not by 5~10%, but 50%, then its quite questionable

especially when theres no "AMD Gameworks" of the sorts lol

[othertomperson]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

thats why i wont say you're wrong if you compare games with gameworks and say nvidia is better

 

its just that

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anyway this is going no where so ill refrain myself from replying lol

 

i agree my sample size is small, but if it beats the 970 not by 5~10%, but 50%, then its quite questionable

especially when theres no "AMD Gameworks" of the sorts lol

 

Of course there is an AMD equivalent. While it may be open source (which, btw, so is GameWorks now, or at least freely available),  TressFX absolutely takes advantage of specific strengths of AMD's hardware in exactly the same way HairWorks takes advantage of specific strengths of Maxwell. Neither is flat out not possible with AMD or Nvidia, but they both definitely favour their own vendor at the hardware level.