amd THINKING about switching from AMD to INTEL

[NotSoAnonymoussChris]

12 minutes ago, Ykno said:

if i was you i would stick with what you have overclock it and wait for zen.

yes, do over clock the 8350! ive got mine set at a cool 4.5 and im only using air cooling. my temps run at a cool number, and the fans only kick up when they usually do at 4.2. heres a short stress test that i just ran.

[ShadowCaptain]

 

13 minutes ago, Ykno said:

AMD is perfect for gaming rigs (ignore Intel fan boys that tell you diffrent) you wont get any prefromance diffrence over intel well nothing you will notice but price wise

This advice is terrible and also incorrect

for a similar cost as an FX8350 (for exmaple) you could get a top end i5 which performs BETTER in games
 

3 minutes ago, dbidwell94 said:

Okay

 

I don't get why you would favour one brand over another when all you SHOULD care about as the functionality and performance

At the moment intel are kicking AMDs arse all over the place when it comes to CPUs, and gaming on the Intel CPUs is just better too

The problem is the AMD chips can create a bottleneck when it comes to running high end GPUs, 

Will Zen change things? maybe, but until we see any concrete evidence, its just marketing speak until we can benchmark it

 

And you never know what intel have up their sleeve to compete

[sapphirethunder]

8 minutes ago, dbidwell94 said:

Okay

 

As said, hold your upgrade until Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's Zen desktop cpus come to the market.

I myself am probably jumping from FX-8350 to i5 6600k soon since I might be able to get 6600k with 16Gb DDR4 kit for very cheap price.

[Ykno]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

 

This advice is terrible and also incorrect

for a similar cost as an FX8350 (for exmaple) you could get a top end i5 which performs BETTER in games
 

so i can buy a i5 4670k for £80?

i brought my FX8320 for £80 brand new (litrally a down clcoked 8350) and brought my i5 4670k brand new for £180 i dont no about you but i dont think that is the same?

 

my GTX 970 cost me £260 and my old AMD R9 290 cost me £180 again even gpu is better price to preformance

i have owned both a AMD gaming rig before switching to my current intel rig and seen no real world diffrence! seen higher FPS yes but seen no diffrence that my eyes can detect

[sapphirethunder]

2 minutes ago, Ykno said:

so i can buy a i5 4670k for £80?

i brought my FX8320 for £80 brand new (litrally a down clcoked 8350) and brought my i5 4670k brand new for £180 i dont no about you but i dont think that is the same?

 

my GTX 970 cost me £260 and my old AMD R9 290 cost me £180 again even gpu is better price to preformance

i have owned both a AMD gaming rig before switching to my current intel rig and seen no real world diffrence! seen higher FPS yes but seen no diffrence that my eyes can detect

 

FX-8320/8350 most of the time is currently pretty much the same price, with recommended motherboard and cooling included, as what something like i5 6500 with B150 motherboard would cost.

And that is without counting in possible sales.

Of course you can get either one for cheaper than the other one, depending where or when you buy.

[ShadowCaptain]

8 minutes ago, Ykno said:

so i can buy a i5 4670k for £80?

Going by amazon uks current prices

 

i5 4690k = £180

FX8320 = £120

 

so £60 difference, or if not OCing get an i5 4440 which costs £160, so only £40 difference

 

As you can see, even a 3rd gen i5 LOCKED i5 beats the 9590 in games

 

Hell an old 2500k gets the same performance and you can pick these up used for nothing

 

Now this is not ALL games, some they are neck and neck, some AMD fall even further behind if its a CPU bound game (for example in dying light, AMD fall really behind)

 

 

This is true too, when you factor in the board cost and a cooler etc since the stock AMD cooler is wank, the cost difference is very little

6 minutes ago, sapphirethunder said:

 

FX-8320/8350 most of the time is currently pretty much the

same price, with recommended motherboard and cooling included, as what something like i5 6500 with B150 motherboard would cost.

[dbidwell94]

I think that all this post is doing is just solidifying my want to just stick with my 8350, overclock the shit out of it, and wait for zen. I mean really, i don't do any 3D modeling, and i do very light 3D game development with Unity. So at the moment i suppose my 8350 will do just fine. 

[Ykno]

15 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Going by amazon uks current prices

 

i5 4690k = £180

FX8320 = £120

 

so £60 difference, or if not OCing get an i5 4440 which costs £160, so only £40 difference

 

As you can see, even a 3rd gen i5 LOCKED i5 beats the 9590 in games

 

Hell an old 2500k gets the same performance and you can pick these up used for nothing

 

Now this is not ALL games, some they are neck and neck, some AMD fall even further behind if its a CPU bound game

 

This is true too, when you factor in the board cost and a cooler etc since the stock AMD cooler is wank, the cost difference is very little

yes that still a saving most people would take when your on a budget,

And yes i know intell is better fps over amd i litrally just said that, but i said it something your wouldnt notice say your gaming on a 60hz monitor and your AMD rig does 70fps and your Intel rig does 90fps it dont matter as they will both display at 60fps due to the bottleneck of the displays output

so my point stands if budget is tighter stick to AMD as in real world preformance you wont see a diffrence untill you upgrade monitors and even then u wouldnt notice a diffrence unless you was like pro gamer and was so tuned you could see the diffrence

[ShadowCaptain]

1 minute ago, Ykno said:

yes that still a saving most people would take when your on a budget,

And yes i know intell is better fps over amd i litrally just said that, but i said it something your wouldnt notice say your gaming on a 60hz monitor and your AMD rig does 70fps and your Intel rig does 90fps it dont matter as they will both display at 60fps due to the bottleneck of the displays output

so my point stands if budget is tighter stick to AMD as in real world preformance you wont see a diffrence untill you upgrade monitors and even then u wouldnt notice a diffrence unless you was like pro gamer and was so tuned you could see the diffrence

 

But cost wise you could get a cheap B series board and cheap i5 and pay the same amount as the FX8350 type of set up

 

The only AMD CPUs on a budget that make sense are like the 860k but sometimes an i3 can be a better option though

And after 12 months, the new games you wont be getting 70fps, but 50fps or something as time goes on,  plus just because the game averages at 70 does not mean you wont get dips below 60 which happens frequently in games

really the investment into the better performing chip is almost always worth it, nobody is on a budget that strict that they couldn't spend £40 more when they are already spending say £600 or whatever

 

Really hoping Zen can do wonders for AMD, but currently I wouldnt be recommending AMD to anybody, since a cheap locked i5 seems a better idea for gaming at similar cost

[Ykno]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

 

But cost wise you could get a cheap B series board and cheap i5 and pay the same amount as the FX8350 type of set up

 

The only AMD CPUs on a budget that make sense are like the 860k but sometimes an i3 can be a better option though

And after 12 months, the new games you wont be getting 70fps, but 50fps or something as time goes on,  plus just because the game averages at 70 does not mean you wont get dips below 60 which happens frequently in games

really the investment into the better performing chip is almost always worth it, nobody is on a budget that strict that they couldn't spend £40 more when they are already spending say £600 or whatever

 

Really hoping Zen can do wonders for AMD, but currently I wouldnt be recommending AMD to anybody, since a cheap locked i5 seems a better idea for gaming at similar cost

your really going to deep in to my example im aware that if it was running 70fps it can go under 60 that wasnt my point so ill change my example just for you ams at 100fps and intell at 120fps wont make no diffrence at 60hz monitor (hell any fps could dip to below 60fps with a weird spike)

"really the investment into the better performing chip is almost always worth it, nobody is on a budget that strict that they couldn't spend £40 more when they are already spending say £600 or whatever"  really? thats why im look at a budget of £500 for my new car only as i have no more cash to spare i foudn a nice one at £550 but i dont have that spare £50 to buy it

so if someone came to me and was like i only have £600 and i was like right okay (first i would do a intel build) and id be like hmm okay so intel would cost you £660 and he reply with know i only have £600 i cant go more id then go hmm how can i save you money and look at AMD i would only recomend AMD stuff to someone upgrading a AMD rig as cheaper than buy all new intel stuff or someone on a tight budget with no give

and as this guy already has AMD i say stick with it till ZEN as if you swap to intel now you will have to pay out for whole new system and if zen is better like people recon you will only be kicking yourself as u waisted that money when you could have saved it and waited.

(btw i upgrade and build PC's for clients and business's (aswell as other things) as my real employed job)

[ShadowCaptain]

8 minutes ago, Ykno said:

and as this guy already has AMD i say stick with it till ZEN 

This part I agree with, he already has a decent CPU so no point spending all that money 

Not when new AMD and Intel chips, as well as new GPUs are just around the corner

[Ykno]

Just now, ShadowCaptain said:

This part I agree with, he already has a decent CPU so no point spending all that money 

Not when new AMD and Intel chips, as well as new GPUs are just around the corner

at end of the day which ever you prefer AMD or Intel, AMD are very capable to run games

[ShadowCaptain]

Just now, Ykno said:

at end of the day which ever you prefer AMD or Intel, AMD are very capable to run games

Sure I honestly don't think they are the best option for somebody building a PC (At this current moment in time, not because I dont like AMD or anything)

[Ykno]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Sure I honestly don't think they are the best option for somebody building a PC (At this current moment in time, not because I dont like AMD or anything)

defo if your budget can do it go intel as its stronger but ye budget wise AMD is fine

[SaladFingers]

2 hours ago, NotSoAnonymoussChris said:

IMO, if youre a AMD die-hard like me, id wait for the zen.

also, i haven't owned a Intel cpu since probably...then Pentium 4. so i couldn't tell you if real life performance would be greater. I DO know however, that i own the same Vishera as you do, and love it.

This ^

 

AMD as of right now is really lagging behind in the CPU department. Even just from an enthusiast standpoint, without being in the market for a CPU, I am really curious to see what they will do with their new lineup. It has to really be competitive, after all these years, it just has to.

 

So yeah, I would wait. Unless you really want a CPU *right now*.

[sapphirethunder]

12 minutes ago, Ykno said:

defo if your budget can do it go intel as its stronger but ye budget wise AMD is fine

That's quite arguable tho

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($112.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Avexir Budget Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $198.97
 

vs.

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.29 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970M PRO3 Micro ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($24.99 @ Newegg)

Base Total:							$223.16
Mail-in Rebates:							-$25.00
Shipping:							$1.99

Total: $200.15
 

 

 

 

 

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.29 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970A-G/3.1 ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($24.99 @ Newegg)

Base Total:							$278.15
Mail-in Rebates:							-$10.00

Total: $268.15
 

vs.

 

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($194.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock H170A-X1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Avexir Budget Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $300.97
 

or

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus B150M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($76.43 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Budget Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $283.41
 

[Thony]

Your friend is right because 9000 series from AMD is just a toaster not worth the money.

 

i5-4690k is probably the best choice for gaming. Good value for performance. 

 

I as a 2 monitor user AMD multitasker do prefer i7 to have more headroom in case I need it. 

 

GTA5 for example keeps my CPU at 70% (with YouTube/Twitch running on second screen).

 

I see some people are saying to wait for Zen CPUs and Pascal GPUs. It is not a bad idea since it's very close and AMD doesn't release new CPUs every 12-18months like Intel does. 

 

Your FX-8350 is not that bad u can wait few more months and get more money in the meantime for better upgrade and higher performance increase.

 

I'm running games on GTX 760 and I am waiting for Pascal (releases starting in June).

 

In case you do have a weak GPU and it is killing you ATM then fuck the wait and get something better. Current gen GPUs are very decent and new gens come out every year+.

[dbidwell94]

8 hours ago, Thony said:

In case you do have a weak GPU and it is killing you ATM

I think i'm good GPU wise lmao. I just got an XFX R9 390 that keeps up with any card you throw its way

[Remixt]

Intel is better than AMD in nearly every application. I wish this wasn't true because then maybe we would have a real competition and better prices. Intel isn't exactly striving for greatness anymore because of their overwhelming meta-monopoly. Hell, AMD is only making chips still because intel lets them.