Who are you voting for?

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, Real_PhillBert said:

Happy Super Tuesday everyone! As of right now here's how things are stacking up:

 

Democratic Party:

Hillary Clinton - 546

Bernie Sanders - 87

2383 needed for the nomination.

 

Republican Party:

Donald Trump - 82

Ted Cruz - 17

Marco Rubio - 16

1237 needed for the nomination.

 

Things still have time to change on the Republican front, but Hillary has a commanding lead for the Democrats. 

Sanders is so going to have to run as independent if he wants a chance.

[Real_PhillBert]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Sanders is so going to have to run as independent if he wants a chance.

Even then, the US political system is still very much stuck on the two parties. So him running as an Independent would split the D vote and almost assure a Republican victory. 

 

I hate that about the current system.

[AlwaysFSX]

7 minutes ago, Real_PhillBert said:

Even then, the US political system is still very much stuck on the two parties. So him running as an Independent would split the D vote and almost assure a Republican victory. 

 

I hate that about the current system.

Depends, not all Republicans like Trump. They may not even vote at all.

[TidaLWaveZ]

Since this thread is on this forum, I don't feel the need to bring up the importance of technology in today's society.

 

That being said, isn't it disgusting just how clueless current politicians are when it comes to technology?  Why are people that can't even comprehend how networks/ the internet work allowed to be in these high level positions?

[Real_PhillBert]

10 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Depends, not all Republicans like Trump. They may not even vote at all.

That could be so, but I think more people will hold their nose and vote for Trump than a split Democratic contender could muster. But hey, it's all speculation at this point. 

[AlwaysFSX]

Just now, Real_PhillBert said:

That could be so, but I think more people will hold their nose and vote for Trump than a split Democratic contender could muster. But hey, it's all speculation at this point. 

This has got to be the worst election ever.

[Real_PhillBert]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

This has got to be the worst election ever.

I'm betting it'll be Hillary V Trump, if that's not a rock and a hard place, I dont know what is.

[drc00k3]

On 28/02/2016 at 6:22 AM, smeek14 said:

This country was formed on the Constitution and the Bible and we are straying away from it and it needs to stop!!!  

America is a secular country. It says in the constitution that no national religion will be established.

 

I'm not American but I'd vote for Bernie, his policies will help fix America(Universal healthcare, ending money in politics, etc)

[SurvivorNVL]

6 minutes ago, drc00k3 said:

America is a secular country. It says in the constitution that no national religion will be established.

 

I'm not American but I'd vote for Bernie, his policies will help fix America(Universal healthcare, ending money in politics, etc)

Trump has established similar ideas and policies about ending money in politics and his won't end in a socialist default of the economy and country(that's a bad thing).

I'll be voting Trump, his tax plan, if enacted is solid, he and Cruz are the only two who have actually talked about trimming down the government and reducing the various agencies and departments, re-allocating the budget, securing the border, and restoring American military might to where it is to be.  That and I believe Trump is very much like Reagan, maybe not in his conservatism, but in his demeanor.  He will walk on the stage as an elected President of the United States, and the rest of the world will reel in horror just as they did for Reagan, but only he'll be one of the first real business-man that became President in awhile.

That and Trump Jr. came out in support of Net Neutrality, and said his father is in the same boat.

Personally I still prefer Carson's flat tax instead of Trumps 4-tier tax system of 0, 10, 15, 25, but it's better than the current progressive tax.

[drc00k3]

Just now, SurvivorNVL said:

Trump has established similar ideas and policies about ending money in politics and his won't end in a socialist default of the economy and country(that's a bad thing).

I'll be voting Trump, his tax plan, if enacted is solid, he and Cruz are the only two who have actually talked about trimming down the government and reducing the various agencies and departments, re-allocating the budget, securing the border, and restoring American military might to where it is to be.  That and I believe Trump is very much like Reagan, maybe not in his conservatism, but in his demeanor.  He will walk on the stage as an elected President of the United States, and the rest of the world will reel in horror just as they did for Reagan, but only he'll be one of the first real business-man that became President in awhile.

That and Trump Jr. came out in support of Net Neutrality, and said his father is in the same boat.

Personally I still prefer Carson's flat tax instead of Trumps 4-tier tax system of 0, 10, 15, 25, but it's better than the current progressive tax.

Trump is only against money in politics because he couldn't get funding. If he gets into office, will he resist donations to him? No. Trump's businesses do not even align with what he is saying in debates. He talks about businesses moving overseas yet he does some of his business overseas.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, drc00k3 said:

Trump is only against money in politics because he couldn't get funding. If he gets into office, will he resist donations to him? No. Trump's businesses do not even align with what he is saying in debates. He talks about businesses moving overseas yet he does some of his business overseas.

Well, that itself does make sense.  Even Google and Apple due to taxes, and possible anti-trust via Federal spying, could one day move overseas to Ireland, Singapore, or Malaysia due to how low of taxes they have.  It always falls back down to that.  Taxes.  It makes sense that they'll move jobs, and businesses overseas.  They're taxed personally, on their vehicles, on the roads for tolls, for their business, for their enterprise, for healthcare, and then they also buy healthcare for employee's, they have to give a specific minimum wage, and the list goes on.  They get taxed 40% to bring their money back in to the country.  They may as well move it all overseas in places with small taxes.

He's against money in politics because he can self-fund and the others can't, they're politicians first.  The moment he becomes the nominee, he'll get super-pacs by the bulk of the Republican Party, but never the E, because the general election often takes billions, and I can't see him sinking billions in to it when he himself has an estimated wealth of 11B or 14B.  With his tax plan, or Carson's, or Cruz's, or any of them up there - more businesses can move back to the U.S.  The more taxes, the less businesses want to be there, and eventually they just leave.  Ireland is a fan favorite.  Lots o' greeeeen.

[drc00k3]

1 minute ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Well, that itself does make sense.  Even Google and Apple due to taxes, and possible anti-trust via Federal spying, could one day move overseas to Ireland, Singapore, or Malaysia due to how low of taxes they have.  It always falls back down to that.  Taxes.  It makes sense that they'll move jobs, and businesses overseas.  They're taxed personally, on their vehicles, on the roads for tolls, for their business, for their enterprise, for healthcare, and then they also buy healthcare for employee's, they have to give a specific minimum wage, and the list goes on.  They get taxed 40% to bring their money back in to the country.  They may as well move it all overseas in places with small taxes.

He's against money in politics because he can self-fund and the others can't, they're politicians first.  The moment he becomes the nominee, he'll get super-pacs by the bulk of the Republican Party, but never the E, because the general election often takes billions, and I can't see him sinking billions in to it when he himself has an estimated wealth of 11B or 14B.  With his tax plan, or Carson's, or Cruz's, or any of them up there - more businesses can move back to the U.S.  The more taxes, the less businesses want to be there, and eventually they just leave.  Ireland is a fan favorite.  Lots o' greeeeen.

He can self fund but I doubt he would turn down any donations if he gets elected. I'm sure he'd rather take money from Goldman Sachs than from himself or The Trump Organization. Surely, having a business that makes him capable of self funding would make him less trustworthy because he doesn't just represent big money interests, he is a big money interest. That makes it so much easier for businesses to get what they want because he wants what they want. I understand business reasons for going overseas but when you are campaigning against overseas corporations, you should not have an overseas corporation.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, drc00k3 said:

He can self fund but I doubt he would turn down any donations if he gets elected. I'm sure he'd rather take money from Goldman Sachs than from himself or The Trump Organization. Surely, having a business that makes him capable of self funding would make him less trustworthy because he doesn't just represent big money interests, he is a big money interest. That makes it so much easier for businesses to get what they want because he wants what they want. I understand business reasons for going overseas but when you are campaigning against overseas corporations, you should not have an overseas corporation.

But that final point is also a reason he is campaigning and that is so he can bring his business back home.  Even Apple has said that they themselves pay so many taxes, and they could never bring their money home without it becoming a sliver of what it was due to the various taxes from country to country, and then back home.

He can self-fund, and in the general election he will need support from the Republican base, but the original purpose of those running for office was intended for businessmen, and military servicemen to make up our politicians as they have been in situations that call for them to act and lead, and they know more of the inner-workings of our country than any other, especially straight politicians, except for Lawyers.  Lawyers have a place higher than all, due to the language in all our bills.  I sooner trust Trump, who could pay off politicians and not have any need for extra money when he's going about his plans - than for a politician who can be bought off.  Like Rubio.  Even if they got bought off, though, as long as they enact what they have campaigned for, and push for - other things are minor issues.  Constitution, defense, economy, borders.  As long as those four points are pushed - what comes after will have to be seen.  I personally don't believe he'll be bought off as he and his family shown many times - they can get their own fortunes, and they're the leaders, not the followers.  They don't get told what to do, they do the telling.  Sort of a Leo mindset.  

[LiamApex]

i live in the UK... so i wont be

[Volbet]

9 hours ago, stconquest said:

Those are just lazy voters.  It may seem okay if they vote for a decent person, but in actuality, those same people can turn and vote for a horrendous candidate in another election.  People have to generally care about policy and understand how it affects them (and others).

 

I don't even live in the USA.  I watch because it will affect me, and I actually care about people.

And we have reached my first problem with the democratic system. The uninformed and/or lazy populus.

 

4 hours ago, Real_PhillBert said:

I'm betting it'll be Hillary V Trump, if that's not a rock and a hard place, I dont know what is.

I'll bet you a beer on that. 

I still think we could end in a Cruz V. Hillary showdown come November. 

 

If Trump come out as the big winner today, I would think Rubio (and possibly others) would drop out, giving their endorsement to Cruz.

I do think that is the most likely scenario, but Trump to look like the safest bet right now.

[Real_PhillBert]

24 minutes ago, Volbet said:

I'll bet you a beer on that. 

I still think we could end in a Cruz V. Hillary showdown come November. 

 

If Trump come out as the big winner today, I would think Rubio (and possibly others) would drop out, giving their endorsement to Cruz.

I do think that is the most likely scenario, but Trump to look like the safest bet right now.

How about a steam game up to $10?

 

I'm betting it will be Trump Vs Hillary as R Vs D, If any one other than Trump and Hillary get nominations from either party, you get a game of your choice up to $10. If it ends up Trump Vs Hillary, you buy me a game of my choosing up to $10.

[Volbet]

46 minutes ago, Real_PhillBert said:

How about a steam game up to $10?

 

I'm betting it will be Trump Vs Hillary as R Vs D, If any one other than Trump and Hillary get nominations from either party, you get a game?

You're on. 

I'm probably looking at losing $10, but it'll be a fun $10.

When will the primaries end? I have to write down the date so I won't forget it.

 

Edit: Can someone also please quote or screenshot this post, so that it'll be permantly in writting? Again, I don't want to forget my commitment,

[RedRound2]

2 hours ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Trump has established similar ideas and policies about ending money in politics and his won't end in a socialist default of the economy and country(that's a bad thing).

I'll be voting Trump, his tax plan, if enacted is solid, he and Cruz are the only two who have actually talked about trimming down the government and reducing the various agencies and departments, re-allocating the budget, securing the border, and restoring American military might to where it is to be.  That and I believe Trump is very much like Reagan, maybe not in his conservatism, but in his demeanor.  He will walk on the stage as an elected President of the United States, and the rest of the world will reel in horror just as they did for Reagan, but only he'll be one of the first real business-man that became President in awhile.

That and Trump Jr. came out in support of Net Neutrality, and said his father is in the same boat.

Personally I still prefer Carson's flat tax instead of Trumps 4-tier tax system of 0, 10, 15, 25, but it's better than the current progressive tax.

But Trump is unpredictable. He can change his stances and policy like a flag fluttering in the wind. He doesn't believe in green energy and global warming. He thinks the way he can save america is to for war with literally everyone else.

I admit that all the current presidential candidates are pretty much like a bunch of immature 5 year olds, but can't we pick the lesser evil. 

Watch John Oliver's video about Trump and you'll see how inconsistent he is

btw i'm not american and I have no influence over what you think but I'm just stating my personal opinion

[SurvivorNVL]

12 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

But Trump is unpredictable. He can change his stances and policy like a flag fluttering in the wind. He doesn't believe in green energy and global warming. He thinks the way he can save america is to for war with literally everyone else.

I admit that all the current presidential candidates are pretty much like a bunch of immature 5 year olds, but can't we pick the lesser evil. 

Watch John Oliver's video about Trump and you'll see how inconsistent he is

btw i'm not american and I have no influence over what you think but I'm just stating my personal opinion

While Trump is unpredictable, he's clear in what he wants, and that is to reach the top. I am personally okay with him or Cruz getting the nominee, so long as they do deliver on their topics.  I can say that while many will say Trump can't have evolved so quickly on some of his points and topics - I myself was a socialist a year ago, and then I began to read in to economics in bulk, and kept reading, and then finally went through the U.S. constitution, etc.  I can say that if he continues and moves forward with what he has said - he could be an effective president, and scare the crap out of the world.  He is inconsistent, but so long as he ends up beholden to his promises to his voting base - he'll get elected, and then re-elected, just as the Congress is likely to be all Republican again.  Green energy isn't quite there yet, and Global Warming is natural, and sped up by Humanity.  We'll have to adapt, or go away, the Planet will be fine.

Edited March 1, 2016 by SurvivorNVL

[Real_PhillBert]

1 hour ago, Volbet said:

You're on. 

I'm probably looking at losing $10, but it'll be a fun $10.

When will the primaries end? I have to write down the date so I won't forget it.

 

Edit: Can someone also please quote or screenshot this post, so that it'll be permantly in writting? Again, I don't want to forget my commitment,

 

Looks like both parties will be making their choices official in the middle/end of July. 

 

We'll have to figure out some way to remember lol.

[stconquest]

6 hours ago, Real_PhillBert said:

Happy Super Tuesday everyone! As of right now here's how things are stacking up:

 

Democratic Party:

Hillary Clinton - 546

Bernie Sanders - 87

2383 needed for the nomination.

 

Republican Party:

Donald Trump - 82

Ted Cruz - 17

Marco Rubio - 16

1237 needed for the nomination.

 

Things still have time to change on the Republican front, but Hillary has a commanding lead for the Democrats. 

Those Dem numbers are not quite honest.

 

The real delegate count is roughly 80:60 for Hilary.  The pledged super delegate count is roughly 400:20 for Clinton, but those are not set in stone.

[Real_PhillBert]

3 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Those Dem numbers are not quite honest.

 

The real delegate count is roughly 80:60 for Hilary.  The pledged super delegate count is roughly 400:20 for Clinton, but those are not set in stone.

Come on... We all know those superdelegates  already bought and paid for. The Sanders party is already over, though no one has told most Sanders supporters yet. Even google is counting them already. 

[stconquest]

Just now, Real_PhillBert said:

Come on... We all know those superdelegates  already bought and paid for. The Sanders party is already over, though no one has told most Sanders supporters yet. 

There are like 800 delegates to grab tonight. 

[Real_PhillBert]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

There are like 800 delegates to grab tonight. 

You're an optimist, I see.

[cazetofamo]

I was hoping for Bernie... Well, looks like it will be McAfee 2016!