Sapphire 390 vs MSI 970. Reliability vs FPS

[Coaxialgamer]

Which has helped AMD GPUs exactly in the latest games that have released? Features only matter if developers use them, and the only reason games like Ashes used them is to gain attention. Before every release of a new DX the world is going to change, look back and tell me where anything changed. No one knows what's going to happen in The next year. Don't make your purchase decisions based off fortune cookies.

Forget it.

Also, nvidia did pretty much strip maxwell of its compute power in oreder to achieve the power efficiency it currently has.

And gcn does have an advantage in dx 12 because of asynchronous compute.

[App4that]

Forget it.

Also, nvidia did pretty much strip maxwell of its compute power in oreder to achieve the power efficiency it currently has.

And gcn does have an advantage in dx 12 because of asynchronous compute.

If developers use the features in DX12 that make that relevant. AND if Nvidia doesn't release GPUs that DISTROY the 390 for less money. "Ifs" Right now as a AMD customer I see less powerful Nvidia GPUs doing a better job playing the games I want to play, so can you see why your "ifs" don't exactly fill me with confidence?

[BulkyZaNka]

Nice choice. If you're gaming at 1080p, the 390 will have no problem completely maxing out any game and getting playable frame rates. Even with GTA 5, you should be able to max out most of the advanced sliders and grass settings and still get in the 50s and 60s. Witcher 3 should be a solid 60 without hairworks. The only issue I have with the MSI version is that the cooler requires a ridiculous amount of air to cool effectively. You need at least 2-3 PCIE slots to give it room to breath. So if you're gonna use a small case like Evolv ITX, it will have terrible temps. I tested this by placing books in my case to cover up the PCIE slots. With one slot empty below it, the card started throttling. Also, with overclocking, it's not really a big deal since these cards are really bad overclockers in general. But if you can get to 1150 on the core which is highly likely, then you'll get a nice 7-10% boost. 

I have a Phanteks Enthoo Pro so there will be no problem with the cooling. I also do plan to CrossFire in the future instead of buying a new card. Thanks for all the support!

[afyeung]

What games are you speaking of? A lot of your posts do have good reasoning, but so far we've just discussed Fall Out 4. I'm actually gonna try out the game soon so I'll see if there's still issues. I play a lot of the AAA titles that people look forward to on PC, like Witcher 3, GTA 5, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Middle Earth SOM, etc. and I have run into zero issues in the above titles. I'm an FPS(frames per second in this case) freak like a lot of PC gamers, if the performance isn't a solid 50-60 Im out. I compare performance in my games to what Nvidia cards are getting and my 390x does really well. The only game I love that Nvidia trounces AMD is mgsv. However, the game is optimized so well that you just need a couple things on high to get a solid 60 at 3200x1800 with the 390x. I would think that if the 980 completely destroyed the 390x, reviewers would mention it right? Lets be real, AMD cant even pay their bills so they're definitely not paying off all the top reviewers. All of them said the 390x puts up a great fight against the 980. Based on my experience it seems that way too. I will say, AMD definitely still isn't without its issues even though a lot of people love the new drivers. But you can still have an excellent gaming experience with AMD and even better in some cases than Nvidia. Many of your posts make it seem as if AMD sucks for gaming in comparisson to Nvidia which is really unfair.

[App4that]

What games are you speaking of? A lot of your posts do have good reasoning, but so far we've just discussed Fall Out 4. I'm actually gonna try out the game soon so I'll see if there's still issues. I play a lot of the AAA titles that people look forward to on PC, like Witcher 3, GTA 5, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Middle Earth SOM, etc. and I have run into zero issues in the above titles. I'm an FPS(frames per second in this case) freak like a lot of PC gamers, if the performance isn't a solid 50-60 Im out. I compare performance in my games to what Nvidia cards are getting and my 390x does really well. The only game I love that Nvidia trounces AMD is mgsv. However, the game is optimized so well that you just need a couple things on high to get a solid 60 at 3200x1800 with the 390x. I would think that if the 980 completely destroyed the 390x, reviewers would mention it right? Lets be real, AMD cant even pay their bills so they're definitely not paying off all the top reviewers. All of them said the 390x puts up a great fight against the 980. Based on my experience it seems that way too. I will say, AMD definitely still isn't without its issues even though a lot of people love the new drivers. But you can still have an excellent gaming experience with AMD and even better in some cases than Nvidia. Many of your posts make it seem as if AMD sucks for gaming in comparisson to Nvidia which is really unfair.

I play the fore mentioned Fallout 4, MechWarrior, Witcher 3, Armored Warfare, Skyrim, FONV, Borderlands 2, Cities Skylines, Wolfenstein (New Order and Old Blood), and Dishonored. Well that's what I play the most I should say.

 

Nvidia has AMD beat for performance in games, complete performance not fps. AMD has the best Hardware for the money, but lacks the drivers to utilize it.

[don_svetlio]

I play the fore mentioned Fallout 4, MechWarrior, Witcher 3, Armored Warfare, Skyrim, FONV, Borderlands 2, Cities Skylines, Wolfenstein (New Order and Old Blood), and Dishonored. Well that's what I play the most I should say.

 

Nvidia has AMD beat for performance in games, complete performance not fps. AMD has the best Hardware for the money, but lacks the drivers to utilize it.

You do realise that the 390 is worlds better for Skyrim, right? Ask @Pohernori

My friend has Dishonored run worse on Nvidia @NewReborn

Witcher 3 is rock solid 55 on Medium on my 280

Wolfenstein runs fine on both

FONV runs the same on both

 

[App4that]

You do realise that the 390 is worlds better for Skyrim, right? Ask @Pohernori

My friend has Dishonored run worse on Nvidia @NewReborn

Witcher 3 is rock solid 55 on Medium on my 280

Wolfenstein runs fine on both

FONV runs the same on both

 

They asked which games a play, not to list games that run better on Nvidia

 

My 290 runs just as well in Skyrim WITHOUT the micro stutters the 390 suffers from. Same with Witcher 3.

[don_svetlio]

They asked which games a play, not to list games that run better on Nvidia

 

My 290 runs just as well in Skyrim WITHOUT the micro stutters the 390 suffers from. Same with Witcher 3.

Because you got a bad 390 apparently.

[App4that]

Because you got a bad 390 apparently.

That's your defense? :lol:  I got great benchmark scores, so you're also saying benchmarks don't work?

 

I'll sit here with a cool beverage while you find someone with a 970 that runs like shit in games, get's great benchmarks, and displays no other problems other than micro stuttering.

 

I'd also add that the person who bought my 390 loves it, as all he does is power 4 monitors for a flight sim.

[don_svetlio]

That's your defense? :lol:  I got great benchmark scores, so you're also saying benchmarks don't work?

 

I'll sit here with a cool beverage while you find someone with a 970 that runs like shit in games, get's great benchmarks, and displays no other problems other than micro stuttering.

@Morgan MLGman

[App4that]

@Morgan MLGman

He likes the 200 series better than the 300 series too. So yes, please call him into the discussion.

[don_svetlio]

He likes the 200 series better than the 300 series too. So yes, please call him into the discussion.

He likes the 290X more than the 390. Not the 290

[App4that]

He likes the 290X more than the 390. Not the 290

We'll see, he knows I have a Vapor X, which my testing showed beats the Nitro 390 in smoothness of gameplay.

 

Side note, I think that's due to the ridiculously low VRM temperatures. Not 100% positive but it's the hypothesis I'm running with at the moment.

[don_svetlio]

We'll see, he knows I have a Vapor X, which my testing showed beats the Nitro 390 in smoothness of gameplay.

 

Side note, I think that's due to the ridiculously low VRM temperatures. Not 100% positive but it's the hypothesis I'm running with at the moment.

Could very well be. 60*C is the deal temps for VRMs. My card was fine when VRMs were 63*C. Now they are 73*C and card is not fine

[App4that]

Could very well be. 60*C is the deal temps for VRMs. My card was fine when VRMs were 63*C. Now they are 73*C and card is not fine

And since I keep getting pulled away from my position, please allow me to return to it. My position is that this is the best choice. Best of both the 290 and 390 in one GPU. I have a bit of a stiffy for it.

 

http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=D4AC4856-9166-4C37-A7D6-ECDD3EEB4C17〈=eng

[Patrick Bateman]

i would take gtx 970 over 390.. better drivers no 20 percent fan speed killing the card LMAO 

[don_svetlio]

i would take gtx 970 over 390.. better drivers no 20 percent fan speed killing the card LMAO 

That was fixed 10 hours after it was reported? I'm still waiting on the 3.5GB fix.....oh wait.....that's a HARDWARE DEFECT BY DESIGN

 

And since I keep getting pulled away from my position, please allow me to return to it. My position is that this is the best choice. Best of both the 290 and 390 in one GPU. I have a bit of a stiffy for it.

 

http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=D4AC4856-9166-4C37-A7D6-ECDD3EEB4C17〈=eng

True - Tri-X and Vapor-X are awesome

[Patrick Bateman]

That was fixed 10 hours after it was reported? I'm still waiting on the 3.5GB fix.....oh wait.....that's a HARDWARE DEFECT BY DESIGN

 

True - Tri-X and Vapor-X are awesome

except that i can run my card past 3.5gb and the game still runs fine... 

[don_svetlio]

except that i can run my card past 3.5gb and the game still runs fine... 

MSX doesn't report VRAM properly. You can thank Nvidia's drivers for that as well

[Patrick Bateman]

MSX doesn't report VRAM properly. You can thank Nvidia's drivers for that as well

yes it does now.. when it did report it incorrectly it read over 5gb vram..

all these amd fanboys in denial because in your main rig you have a mid range amd gpu

[App4that]

That was fixed 10 hours after it was reported? I'm still waiting on the 3.5GB fix.....oh wait.....that's a HARDWARE DEFECT BY DESIGN

 

True - Tri-X and Vapor-X are awesome

In their defense, I got hit with the 20% fan speed myself. Happened to the Nitro, had it been the Vapor the LED temp indicating logo would have let me know but as it was I barely caught it in time.

 

But that's my thing, the 390 is built like shit. So what if it's more powerful on paper, it's built like shit :lol:  No LEDs telling you the temperature or GPU usage at a glance. No beautiful metal backplates but plastic ones. All for the low, low, price of micro shuttering. I'm not a Nvidia fan, I don't like the 300 series because they're made like they belong in a fucking Dollar store. It's an insult to Sapphire fans. In a closed case like the guy mine went too, they're fine. But where is the baller edition?

[Patrick Bateman]

In their defense, I got hit with the 20% fan speed myself. Happened to the Nitro, had it been the Vapor the LED temp indicating logo would have let me know but as it was I barely cough it in time.

 

But that's my thing, the 390 is built like shit. So what if it's more powerful on paper, it's built like shit :lol:  No LEDs telling you the temperature or GPU usage at a glance. No beautiful metal backplates but plastic ones. All for the low, low, price of micro shuttering. I'm not a Nvidia fan, I don't like the 300 series because their made like they belong in a fucking Dollar store. It's an insult to Sapphire fans. In a closed case like the guy mine went too, they're fine. But where is the baller edition?

ever heard of rivatuner? i like to monitor my temps and usage in game ..

hw info 64

msi afterburner

[App4that]

ever heard of rivatuner? i like to monitor my temps and usage in game ..

hw info 64

msi afterburner

Cause crashes for me. Well, more than usual for Crimson :lol: . Even Jayz says to avoid Riva. And I wasn't gaming, I was watching Youtube. Only reason I didn't smoke my GPU was I happen to shut it down and my fans lept to 100% so I knew something was up.

[Patrick Bateman]

Cause crashes for me. Well, more than usual for Crimson :lol: . Even Jayz says to avoid Riva. And I wasn't gaming, I was watching Youtube. Only reason I didn't smoke my GPU was I happen to shut it down and my fans lept to 100% so I knew something was up.

why did he say avoid it? i love osd monitoring..

[App4that]

Crashes and FPS loss, also stability in game. It's in his overclocking tutorial.

 

why did he say avoid it? i love osd monitoring..