4570 or 8320?

[cliodude1]

Hi,

 

I'm looking around for a new computer, and I'm having trouble picking the Intel Core i5 4570 or the AMD FX-8320. They both seem like good options but which one is overall the better choice (performance, future-proofing, etc)? 

 

Also if I pick a cooler like the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO, what kind of overclocking will I be able to do on the 8320?

 

Thanks

[WoodenMarker]

If you're just gaming, go with the 8320. You can probably hit 4.4-4.5 ghz with the 8320.

[Dravic]

If you're just gaming, go with the 8320. You can probably hit 4.4-4.5 ghz with the 8320.

 

The other way around. If you are just gaming, get 4430 or 4570 because it's so much faster than FX. And 4,4-4,5 on FX 8320 is kinda optimistic for this is a 'trash' cpu from AMD lineup of 4-module processors. Lowest of the line up that only those which failed to pass the tests for FX-9590, FX-9370 AND fx-8350 go.

[hehehehhehehehe]

The other way around. If you are just gaming, get 4430 or 4570 because it's so much faster than FX. And 4,4-4,5 on FX 8320 is kinda optimistic for this is a 'trash' cpu from AMD lineup of 4-module processors. Lowest of the line up that only those which failed to pass the tests for FX-9590, FX-9370 AND fx-8350 go.

8350 is only like $30 more though.. so that is an option.

[Moistevilmonkey]

dravic just seems to be a big hater of AMD.. every opinion of the FX8350/20 he claims that intel will be better in every aspect.. even tho he has a phenom II x2 545... he barely has much say. i have a fx8350 and ive never regretted it.. with xbone and ps4 having 8 cores i would bet my money (which i have) that it will bring better multi- threading optimization for the PC.. like what planetside 2 is doing atm.. after being a heavily single threaded based game... so i would get a 8350 and a 970 board 

[MsTrMind]

dravic just seems to be a big hater of AMD.. every opinion of the FX8350/20 he claims that intel will be better in every aspect.. even tho he has a phenom II x2 545... he barely has much say. i have a fx8350 and ive never regretted it.. with xbone and ps4 having 8 cores i would bet my money (which i have) that it will bring better multi- threading optimization for the PC.. like what planetside 2 is doing atm.. after being a heavily single threaded based game... so i would get a 8350 and a 970 board 

 

I would NOT trust an 8350 without a 990fx board when overclocking ...

 

 

Also, the 8350 gets hot really quick. You have to keep it below 60°C to prevent your board from melting. 

I would suggest you go with a h100i, or a seidon 240.

 

@Liradon has his 8350 @4.8 Ghz (if not mistaken). I had my 4670k at 4.8Ghz. I beat him in Cinebench by a little. The 4670k still is the strongest choice, even in cinebench (which is an application with multiple threads).

99% of the people won't even see the difference between those 2 during a blind test. 

 

My advice, go with what you want, not with what people say is the best performing, or more futureproof, or blablabla.

[cliodude1]

I would NOT trust an 8350 without a 990fx board when overclocking ...

 

 

Also, the 8350 gets hot really quick. You have to keep it below 60°C to prevent your board from melting. 

I would suggest you go with a h100i, or a seidon 240.

 

@Liradon has his 8350 @4.8 Ghz (if not mistaken). I had my 4670k at 4.8Ghz. I beat him in Cinebench by a little. The 4670k still is the strongest choice, even in cinebench (which is an application with multiple threads).

99% of the people won't even see the difference between those 2 during a blind test. 

 

My advice, go with what you want, not with what people say is the best performing, or more futureproof, or blablabla.

Yeah, I was leaning over toward getting the Intel chip over the AMD. If I have a bit more money will try to invest into a 4670K+Z87 board and a decent cooler, cause right now I don't really have the money for it D:

[Dravic]

People say that speaking truth (benchmarks speak truth lol) means I am an intel fanboy or BETTER yet, I am attacking AMD. Am I, really? Am i disallowed to comment on how bad their CPUs are in comparison to Intel? Seriously?

 

For gaming, i5 is much faster and every benchmark out there will tell you that. Period. FX is actually the reason of few glitches and then you see people coming and screaming OOOOOH MY BF3 DROPS TO 40 FPS IN MULTI WITH BEST GPU I COULD GET WHYYYYYY. Well I tell you why, BF3 is CPU dependant.

 

If you only intend to play heavy GPU duty games then FX is fine but if you ever hit MMO, FPS, RTS, anything that is even close to CPU dependancy, i5 will be faster.

[MsTrMind]

Yeah, I was leaning over toward getting the Intel chip over the AMD. If I have a bit more money will try to invest into a 4670K+Z87 board and a decent cooler, cause right now I don't really have the money for it D:

 

Same as I did.

I was ready to buy an 8350 and a sabertooth, but believe it or not, the day before I was going to buy my stuff, it all went out of stock...

So I just bought myself this, used the stock cooler for a month and got myself an h100i.

 

I don't regret my choice. I am kind of a neutral, but when it comes to raw performance, the 4570k will beat the 8350.

[cliodude1]

Same as I did.

I was ready to buy an 8350 and a sabertooth, but believe it or not, the day before I was going to buy my stuff, it all went out of stock...

So I just bought myself this, used the stock cooler for a month and got myself an h100i.

 

I don't regret my choice. I am kind of a neutral, but when it comes to raw performance, the 4570k will beat the 8350.

This is unrelated to my question (I'm a total noob at AMD CPUs and Mobos ;D), but how come the 990 or 970 mobos have so little USB 3 ports compared to the H87/Z87 boards, and no PCIe Gen 3? 

[Cryptonite]

People say that speaking truth (benchmarks speak truth lol) means I am an intel fanboy or BETTER yet, I am attacking AMD. Am I, really? Am i disallowed to comment on how bad their CPUs are in comparison to Intel? Seriously?

 

For gaming, i5 is much faster and every benchmark out there will tell you that. Period. FX is actually the reason of few glitches and then you see people coming and screaming OOOOOH MY BF3 DROPS TO 40 FPS IN MULTI WITH BEST GPU I COULD GET WHYYYYYY. Well I tell you why, BF3 is CPU dependant.

 

If you only intend to play heavy GPU duty games then FX is fine but if you ever hit MMO, FPS, RTS, anything that is even close to CPU dependancy, i5 will be faster.

lol.

 

I find it extremely funny how people say BF3 is CPU bent when in reality even a dual core celeron piece o mechanical waste can run it fine.

the 8350 / 8320 actually does beat the i5s in quite a lot of benchmarks, you just see a lot more intel supporters and inter sponsored reviews than anything else.

[Cryptonite]

This is unrelated to my question (I'm a total noob at AMD CPUs and Mobos ;D), but how come the 990 or 970 mobos have so little USB 3 ports compared to the H87/Z87 boards, and no PCIe Gen 3? 

there are quite a few AMD boards with a lot of usb3 but in general manufacturers knows that AMD chips are the budget option so they try to limit cost wherever they can on their boards, that's also why they have less bells and whistles. if I were you I'd get the 3570k with a Z77 board as opposed to haswell and an expensive Z87 board, haswell overheats like a champ as well.

 

as for PCIe Gen 3, since it's useless (for now) no one needs it and it again reduces cost not including it.

[MsTrMind]

there are quite a few AMD boards with a lot of usb3 but in general manufacturers knows that AMD chips are the budget option so they try to limit cost wherever they can on their boards, that's also why they have less bells and whistles. if I were you I'd get the 3570k with a Z77 board as opposed to haswell and an expensive Z87 board, haswell overheats like a champ as well.

 

as for PCIe Gen 3, since it's useless (for now) no one needs it and it again reduces cost not including it.

 

Actually this is because the 970 and 990fx chipsets are old.

You have to compare them to the z77, which has less usb3.

[Dravic]

Actually this is because the 970 and 990fx chipsets are old.

You have to compare them to the z77, which has less usb3.

 

No AM3+ chipset has native USB 3.0, it's all non-native so you're wrong. It's always added by mobo manufacturers currently.

[Dravic]

there are quite a few AMD boards with a lot of usb3 but in general manufacturers knows that AMD chips are the budget option so they try to limit cost wherever they can on their boards, that's also why they have less bells and whistles. if I were you I'd get the 3570k with a Z77 board as opposed to haswell and an expensive Z87 board, haswell overheats like a champ as well.

 

as for PCIe Gen 3, since it's useless (for now) no one needs it and it again reduces cost not including it.

 

You guys should get your facts straight... there's nothing like 'saving on PCie 3.0'... Controller is inside CPU lol. If CPU had 3.0 you would get 3.0 utility out of every AMD mobo.

 

Actually most motherboards cost roughly same amount of money to manufacture... you really think that there's a difference in cost of making z87 or b85? lol. Apart from added electronics, no, not at all, it's always being assembled out of parts that are widely available. Pricing is mostly dependant on how the mobo manufacturer wants to compete with the other ones. And cheaping out on stuff like power section of mobos is not needed to make a cheaper mobo, it's just a common practice to make things last less so you want to buy a better mobo from the start.

[cliodude1]

there are quite a few AMD boards with a lot of usb3 but in general manufacturers knows that AMD chips are the budget option so they try to limit cost wherever they can on their boards, that's also why they have less bells and whistles. if I were you I'd get the 3570k with a Z77 board as opposed to haswell and an expensive Z87 board, haswell overheats like a champ as well.

 

as for PCIe Gen 3, since it's useless (for now) no one needs it and it again reduces cost not including it.

Do you recommend an aftermarket cooler if I buy any Haswell chip? 

[ExDreamer]

Do you recommend an aftermarket cooler if I buy any Haswell chip? 

As i understand,you says that it would 4670 [non]k haswell chip,for that you would not need decent aftermarket cooler because it is not unlocked chip so you would not be able to overclock it much. If you pick 8320,aftermarket cooler would be beneficial because you would be able to overclock it to decent frequency thus boost your performance even more.

[WR10]

I know I'm a little late to say this but trust me , pick whatever is the cheaper option / suits you well / you like . I personally have had this dilemma before , read many things from the Internet , some say A while other says B . In the end , ( for me at least ) , I just want to play my games without worries , and both CPUs certainly does their jobs . So if you don't really care about the "numbers" , either will do. Try Overclcoking 1 and leave another one at stock speed , play your usual game , you'll hardly feel a difference until you see the "numbers" .

[Cryptonite]

Do you recommend an aftermarket cooler if I buy any Haswell chip? 

only if you want overclock at all, if not then nah.

[Dravic]

I know I'm a little late to say this but trust me , pick whatever is the cheaper option / suits you well / you like . I personally have had this dilemma before , read many things from the Internet , some say A while other says B . In the end , ( for me at least ) , I just want to play my games without worries , and both CPUs certainly does their jobs . So if you don't really care about the "numbers" , either will do. Try Overclcoking 1 and leave another one at stock speed , play your usual game , you'll hardly feel a difference until you see the "numbers" .

 

Depends on a game, for example Battlefield 3 multiplayer takes a hard hit when played using AMD processors.

[Cryptonite]

You guys should get your facts straight... there's nothing like 'saving on PCie 3.0'... Controller is inside CPU lol. If CPU had 3.0 you would get 3.0 utility out of every AMD mobo.

 

Actually most motherboards cost roughly same amount of money to manufacture... you really think that there's a difference in cost of making z87 or b85? lol. Apart from added electronics, no, not at all, it's always being assembled out of parts that are widely available. Pricing is mostly dependant on how the mobo manufacturer wants to compete with the other ones. And cheaping out on stuff like power section of mobos is not needed to make a cheaper mobo, it's just a common practice to make things last less so you want to buy a better mobo from the start.

Getting facts straight and not going into detail are two different things, I am correct in my statement because they need to make AMD motherboards cheaper because people classify them as budget which means they have to reduce all the bells and whistles, 

 

as for PCIe 3. I meant it is useless and because the wording "PCIe Gen 3" are not on any amd boards they cost cheaper. My wording may have been a bit off but my facts aren't, people pay for words even if they do nothing extra.

(don't come with the argument that it is better for SLI because it's only by a small margin AND there are intel boards released with Gen 3 PCIe with only single PCIe slots.

[Cryptonite]

Depends on a game, for example Battlefield 3 multiplayer takes a hard hit when played using AMD processors.

Have you even attempted this or are you getting your so called "facts" from the internet?

[Dravic]

Have you even attempted this or are you getting your so called "facts" from the internet?

 

Yes i am taking facts from internet, check benchmarks. Oh wait there's more, maybe user reports will convince you? FX is not enough to drive a Radeon card because they dont make use of multiple threads btw. FX works better with GeForce cards.

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/48538-7950-crossfire-worth-it/

[FellTheSky]

lol.

 

I find it extremely funny how people say BF3 is CPU bent when in reality even a dual core celeron piece o mechanical waste can run it fine.

the 8350 / 8320 actually does beat the i5s in quite a lot of benchmarks, you just see a lot more intel supporters and inter sponsored reviews than anything else.

Try to play it online in a 64 players server, instead of watching benchs of the single player campain.

The game is VERY cpu intensive

[Cryptonite]

Yes i am taking facts from internet, check benchmarks. Oh wait there's more, maybe user reports will convince you? FX is not enough to drive a Radeon card because they dont make use of multiple threads btw. FX works better with GeForce cards.

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/48538-7950-crossfire-worth-it/

That post is nothing but the regular rambling lol the guy hasn't even overclocked his chip yet, not to mention the fact that BF3 is the only game people can refer to in all seriousness BF 3 is a game that does prefer single threaded performance over multithreaded performance so you can't say that this crappy link is any sort of proof unless you wanted to prove how biased you are? have you ever thought of software being the cause for frame dips? see linus's win 7 vs win 8 gaming review.

also I like Nvidia so I wouldn't care even if radeon had issues with the 8350/20.

Try to play it online in a 64 players server, instead of watching benchs of the single player campain.

The game is VERY cpu intensive

Yes I was talking single player with the celeron. but the fps drops on BF 3 64 are because it is focused on single threaded performance.

and as I stated above it's a single game your basing this off of.

 

anyways I'm done, respond if you want I don't really care. The only reason I'm on these forums is to give my opinion, not force my ideas.

(while Dravic you just bash amd whenever you can and give people a single option in every post you make lately), I can't believe this is your thread. 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/43893-long-term-upgrade-path-rate/