2011v3 or 1151?

[TsundereShark]

Hi all,

 

I'm planning a new PC build, and I can't decide between the 1151 ASUS Z170-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 6700K) or the 2011v3 ASUS X99-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 5820K).

 

Does anyone know the main pros and cons between the two, or which is the better setup for graphics design, gaming and the occasional bit of programming? I'm looking at having this build for as long as possible.

 

If it helps, I'll be running 16GB of 2666 DDR4 Dominator Platinum, and a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming 6GB.

 

Cheers.

[Quincy15]

Hi all,

 

I'm planning a new PC build, and I can't decide between the 1151 ASUS Z170-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 6700K) or the 2011v3 ASUS X99-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 5820K).

 

Does anyone know the main pros and cons between the two, or which is the better setup for graphics design, gaming and the occasional bit of programming? I'm looking at having this build for as long as possible.

 

If it helps, I'll be running 16GB of 2666 DDR4 Dominator Platinum, and a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming 6GB.

 

Cheers.

I own a X99 system and I think that I overspent on building it for my requirements - get a 6700K and save some money

[Bazilias]

I would go for the 6700K because it has a higher clock speed, Lower power consumption, Better overclock speed, has an build in graphics card and its newer. the only pro's of the 5820K is that it has more cores/threads.

[SurvivorNVL]

MSI SLI x99 can save you a bit of money, the 5820k and 6700k are pretty much the same price right now, and for the price--two extra cores, and a little bit of overclocking can help out.  For design, gaming, and programming - snag X99, it'll last forever, and when you need more horse-power you can just OC to 4.2 or 4.4ghz, and have room to spare for quite some-time.  Generally room to spare.  That and NVME support for the future.

[johnt]

Hi all,

 

I'm planning a new PC build, and I can't decide between the 1151 ASUS Z170-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 6700K) or the 2011v3 ASUS X99-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 5820K).

 

Does anyone know the main pros and cons between the two, or which is the better setup for graphics design, gaming and the occasional bit of programming? I'm looking at having this build for as long as possible.

 

If it helps, I'll be running 16GB of 2666 DDR4 Dominator Platinum, and a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming 6GB.

 

Cheers.

 

X99 for graphics design, but really the Z170 will do just fine. Z170 for gaming all the way. Both are going to be about the same for programming. X99 has some "bragging rights," like QPI, quad channel memory (Z170 only has dual), X99 has 28 lanes PCI-E minimum (Z170 has 16 still). Pretty irrelevant for a single video card... but might be worth thinking about if you plan to invest in a PCI-E hard drive like M2 SATA Gen3 or Intel 750 series at some point.

 

Edit: Almost forget 6 cores vs 4 cores (but you probably already knew that). 

 

I own a X99 system and I think that I overspent on building it for my requirements - get a 6700K and save some money

 

I doubt the price difference is going to be much at this point between 6700k and 5820k.

[YT2002]

Hi all,

 

I'm planning a new PC build, and I can't decide between the 1151 ASUS Z170-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 6700K) or the 2011v3 ASUS X99-Deluxe (w/ Intel Core i7 5820K).

 

Does anyone know the main pros and cons between the two, or which is the better setup for graphics design, gaming and the occasional bit of programming? I'm looking at having this build for as long as possible.

 

If it helps, I'll be running 16GB of 2666 DDR4 Dominator Platinum, and a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming 6GB.

 

Cheers.

For graphic design the 5820k would benefit you more but in games the 6700k will be better and is slightly cheaper

[JebKerman]

well there are vastly cheaper components than those in both cases, like the ASUS -A series and literally any other stick of RAM.

 

but anyway, I'd say LGA1151.

 

 

I doubt the price difference is going to be much at this point between 6700k and 5820k.

Prices in Australia are magnified, It's almost $250 less

[TsundereShark]

X99 for graphics design, but really the Z170 will do just fine. Z170 for gaming all the way. Both are going to be about the same for programming. X99 has some "bragging rights," like QPI, quad channel memory (Z170 only has dual), X99 has 28 lanes PCI-E minimum (Z170 has 16 still). Pretty irrelevant for a single video card... but might be worth thinking about if you plan to invest in a PCI-E hard drive like M2 SATA Gen3 or Intel 750 series at some point.

 

Edit: Almost forget 6 cores vs 4 cores (but you probably already knew that). 

 

 

I doubt the price difference is going to be much at this point between 6700k and 5820k.

I should have probably mentioned I'll be getting an Intel 750 400GB SSD with this rig, that should still be feasible with the 1151?

 

MSI SLI x99 can save you a bit of money, the 5820k and 6700k are pretty much the same price right now, and for the price--two extra cores, and a little bit of overclocking can help out.  For design, gaming, and programming - snag X99, it'll last forever, and when you need more horse-power you can just OC to 4.2 or 4.4ghz, and have room to spare for quite some-time.  Generally room to spare.  That and NVME support for the future.

 

It seems like people are leaning towards the 1151 for less cost, etc, but it sounds like the average lifespan of the 2011v3 is far greater? As I'm aiming to have this rig last for a longer period of time (happy to pay the extra for the X99), it sounds like 2011v3 may be the way to go, even though it costs far more (in Australia, anyway). I've only built with 1150, 1155 and 2011, and the new boards are out of my experience range, so thanks for all your thoughts

 

On a side note regarding the suggestion of MSI motherboards - myself and a few of my tech colleagues building PCs on commission have had quite a lot of issues with MSI gear, and never any issues with Gigabyte or ASUS. Not saying it's a bad brand, just personal experience has put me off their gear.

[SurvivorNVL]

Understandable to want to stray away from the brand due to personal experience, but yes the life-span of 2011-3 should be far longer than the 1151 socket as more lanes, more cores, OC-ability, and it supports all the latest technology all the same.  It's the enthusiast chipset.  That being said--for the price in Australia, I'd say get the 6700k as a few hundred dollars, yeah.. best to put that in to savings for a future GPU upgrade.  Though I will recommend the Samsung 950 Pro over the 750 SSD, they should be similarly priced and as long as you don't hit the M.2 drive with the highest end workload imaginable - it shouldn't thermal throttle or even get a bit hot at all.

 

[JebKerman]

On a side note regarding the suggestion of MSI motherboards - myself and a few of my tech colleagues building PCs on commission have had quite a lot of issues with MSI gear, and never any issues with Gigabyte or ASUS. Not saying it's a bad brand, just personal experience has put me off their gear.

then may i save you a substantial amount of cash and suggest this set of parts: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/WrD9pg

which knocks about $400 off and keeps it with ASUS, and some not-completely-overpriced yet very reliable ram.

 

EDIT: I'll just throw this LGA 1151 set here as well ($200 less than above): http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/3Y9bgs

[johnt]

Understandable to want to stray away from the brand due to personal experience, but yes the life-span of 2011-3 should be far longer than the 1151 socket as more lanes, more cores, OC-ability, and it supports all the latest technology all the same. It's the enthusiast chipset. That being said--for the price in Australia, I'd say get the 6700k as a few hundred dollars, yeah.. best to put that in to savings for a future GPU upgrade. Though I will recommend the Samsung 950 Pro over the 750 SSD, they should be similarly priced and as long as you don't hit the M.2 drive with the highest end workload imaginable - it shouldn't thermal throttle or even get a bit hot at all.

I find it hard to believe that x99 will have a longer lifespan. Intel has a 2-3 year cycle with extreme edition processors, as opposed to their mainstream which is 1 year. But truthfully either chipset/processor has the capacity to last just as long as anything else. X99 seems to support a broader range of features, but z170 still outperforms in gaming. Albeit I think oc performance is similar when clocked to the same speeds.

Long story short, x99 isn't going to "last" any more or less than z87, z97, or z170 etc

[johnt]

I should have probably mentioned I'll be getting an Intel 750 400GB SSD with this rig, that should still be feasible with the 1151?

It seems like people are leaning towards the 1151 for less cost, etc, but it sounds like the average lifespan of the 2011v3 is far greater? As I'm aiming to have this rig last for a longer period of time (happy to pay the extra for the X99), it sounds like 2011v3 may be the way to go, even though it costs far more (in Australia, anyway). I've only built with 1150, 1155 and 2011, and the new boards are out of my experience range, so thanks for all your thoughts

On a side note regarding the suggestion of MSI motherboards - myself and a few of my tech colleagues building PCs on commission have had quite a lot of issues with MSI gear, and never any issues with Gigabyte or ASUS. Not saying it's a bad brand, just personal experience has put me off their gear.

Thumbs way up high on this one. I'm not sure when MSI started getting such rave reviews... I suspect it was when Linus was paid to say nice things about them. MSI is not a very good brand. They are the underdogs since before some people who will argue against this statement were born.

I built two MSI builds last year because I was requested to keep the costs way down by the payees. Yup. They have the stupidest layout decisions. The sata ports are stacked but one is flipped 180 degrees. The builds were for htpc rigs, I can't put 90 degree headed sata at the drive. There was no room. But I couldn't use more than one on the mobo either. Yet the box came with two 90 degree headed sata cables.

Let Linus meet his advertisement quota. Friends don't let friends buy MSI.

[NumLock21]

I find it hard to believe that x99 will have a longer lifespan. Intel has a 2-3 year cycle with extreme edition processors, as opposed to their mainstream which is 1 year. But truthfully either chipset/processor has the capacity to last just as long as anything else. X99 seems to support a broader range of features, but z170 still outperforms in gaming. Albeit I think oc performance is similar when clocked to the same speeds.

Long story short, x99 isn't going to "last" any more or less than z87, z97, or z170 etc

No one is force to upgrade every time a new platform comes out. just look at x58 some are still using it.

[sandboarder08]

Question is how long until more games are able to utilise more than 2-4 cores?

[johnt]

Question is how long until more games are able to utilise more than 2-4 cores?

 

At this rate, likely about a decade from now. It would be suicide for a developer to optimize a game for more than quad cores any time soon.

[sandboarder08]

At this rate, likely about a decade from now. It would be suicide for a developer to optimize a game for more than quad cores any time soon.

But isn't the point of dx12 is to utilise more cores. Does the developer have to do a whole lot to optimize higher core count?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2971612/software-games/windows-10s-radical-directx-12-graphics-tech-tested-more-cpu-cores-more-performance.html

[BrightCandle]

Looking at the data from gamegpu.ru its pretty clear a lot of modern games given a decent GPU can and do get benefit from a 5820k, in many the 3930k outperforms the Haswell's. A lot of the big games releasing these days are utilising more cores but most sites don't review a wide enough range of games to show how often it happens. But the problem is that gamegpu.ru doesn't have a 6700k yet so you can only see the Haswell class CPUs at 4/4, 4/8 and 6/12 configurations and its hard to know how much the Skylake actually gets above that. DigitalFoundry has put out some great videos showing the impact of Skylake over 2500 onwards and its quite a bit and its significant in some games (Witcher 3, Far Cry 4, BF4) over the Haswell CPU. Its not an easy choice, ignoring the future we are already at the point where they are likely swapping places depending on the game.