Death of Firewire 400?

[terrytek]

I know it's kinda late, but here it is anyway. 

 

 

Is it the death of FireWire 400? According to this site, http://www.salon.com/2008/10/17/apple_firewire/, Apple is one of the first computer companies to ditch FireWire 400 for USB 2.0. I cannot believe this crap. I mean, why would they ditch FireWire if it's twice the speed of USB 2.0? Heck, I even got an old Seagate external HDD from 2003 that can be used on both USB 2.0 and FireWire. However, my computer doesn't have any FireWire ports, so that kinda sucks. I was hoping the complete opposite, that FireWire would completely obliterate USB, both 2.0 and 3.0. I hate when technology that i love, such as FireWire and AGP and PATA, disappears off the face of the earth and may never come back again. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???

 

-terrytek

[Godlygamer23]

USB 2.0 is standardized, while Firewire is hardly ever used. It makes sense to ditch it - how many devices actually use Firewire compared to USB? USB is much more sensible right now, and that leaves room for things that are actually going to be used.

[TheSLSAMG]

I know it's kinda late, but here it is anyway. 

 

 

Is it the death of FireWire 400? According to this site, http://www.salon.com/2008/10/17/apple_firewire/, Apple is one of the first computer companies to ditch FireWire 400 for USB 2.0. I cannot believe this crap. I mean, why would they ditch FireWire if it's twice the speed of USB 2.0? Heck, I even got an old Seagate external HDD from 2003 that can be used on both USB 2.0 and FireWire. However, my computer doesn't have any FireWire ports, so that kinda sucks. I was hoping the complete opposite, that FireWire would completely obliterate USB, both 2.0 and 3.0. I hate when technology that i love, such as FireWire and AGP and PATA, disappears off the face of the earth and may never come back again. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???

 

-terrytek

 

If it's a desktop, you can get a FireWire 400 card. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815287004

[Lyons]

If you love Firewire so much why don't you use it?  :P It just never gained enough traction. Keep in mind Apple is advocating for Thunderbolt now, which is vastly superior. This is the sole reason they're dropping it.

[obsidian1200]

I'm not surprised. I don't think the Firewire standard ever got enough traction when it was relevant to be considered a long-running legacy port (even though all the mobos I've had have had FW headers), especially compared to USB. I know some cameras and external hard drives (mostly "Made for Mac") use it, but I can't think of anything else on the top of my head. However, for those who still want it, Apple makes a thunderbolt to firewire adapter, plus you can get PCI cards to add it to your desktop...

[terrytek]

Yeah, but thunderbolt is brand new, so not a lot of devices are using it right now or are very expensive ATM. Besides. I think Firewire 800 is faster than any port, including USB 3.0. There should be a reason to keep FireWire.

[Lyons]

Yeah, but thunderbolt is brand new, so not a lot of devices are using it right now or are very expensive ATM. Besides. I think Firewire 800 is faster than any port, including USB 3.0. There should be a reason to keep FireWire.

 

Not really, USB3.0 is rated to 5gbps and will soon be updated to 10gbps (FW800 is rated to 3.2gbps). Thunderbolt is rated to an even higher 20gbps (and also has daisy chaining capability). USB3.0 walks all over FW800 in real world scenarios and is on more devices, AND is backward compatible with USB2.0 ports. There's no real reason to continue to use FW800 when USB3.0 and Thunderbolt exist.

[terrytek]

I might be crazy, but I should protest to bring back FireWire.

[JAKEBAB]

I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner I have never used FireWire in my life nor have I seen a physical cable really nothing to be sad about IMO USB 2 is fine and USB 3 is even better

[EricX2]

 

Firewire may have had technical advantages, but it wasn't ever popular. I only had one thing that used it (old digital video camera) and it was horrible.

[Lyons]

I might be crazy, but I should protest to bring back FireWire.

 

It is thoroughly obsolete. May as well protest to ramp up CD production and start bringing out software on disk-only again while you're at it.

[silencerbob]

My old tv tuner is FireWire and new z87 mobo doesn't have it.. Decided to buy a new dual tv pcie tuner instead .. Oh well

[allthatremains94]

There is no logical reason for it to continue to be supported when there are already newer and better standards already out there. Do you still see any new AGP cards or slots being integrated? Nope. Do you still see any new PCI cards? A handful. Hell, VGA and DVI are going to be dropped from video cards in the next few years in favor of Displayport and HDMI.

[TheProfosist]

Firewire 400 shall never die! do you know how much older high end equipment uses it for good reasons? The newer standard would be firewire 800 which is backwards compatible with 400 but thunderbolt stole the limelight from it.

[TheProfosist]

There is no logical reason for it to continue to be supported when there are already newer and better standards already out there. Do you still see any new AGP cards or slots being integrated? Nope. Do you still see any new PCI cards? A handful. Hell, VGA and DVI are going to be dropped from video cards in the next few years in favor of Displayport and HDMI.

 

A single DVI-I port will be available on GFX card for a long time I have a feeling for compatibility. 

[orangecat]

Firewire has been dead forever now.

[terrytek]

Firewire 400 shall never die! do you know how much older high end equipment uses it for good reasons? The newer standard would be firewire 800 which is backwards compatible with 400 but thunderbolt stole the limelight from it.

 

Finally! Someone agrees with me! FireWire SHOULD NEVER DIE!! SO WILL DVI!!!!

 

It is thoroughly obsolete. May as well protest to ramp up CD production and start bringing out software on disk-only again while you're at it.

 

Hell, NO! It is not even obsolescent at all.

[allthatremains94]

A single DVI-I port will be available on GFX card for a long time I have a feeling for compatibility. 

Maybe in the form of an adapter.

 

Goodbye Analog, hello digital. -Yours truly, Intel

[terrytek]

Maybe in the form of an adapter.

 

Goodbye Analog, hello digital. -Yours truly, Intel

 

Yeah, well I'm a pessimist, so IDC what it means. I still think analog is better than digital, PERIOD.

[TheProfosist]

Maybe in the form of an adapter.

 

Goodbye Analog, hello digital. -Yours truly, Intel

 

I didnt mean on laptops on desktop GFX cards im sure there wil still be one for wuite some time 

 

and yes with adapter you can get DP to do HDMI, DVI, and VGA.

[TheProfosist]

Yeah, well I'm a pessimist, so IDC what it means. I still think analog is better than digital, PERIOD.

 

not when your feeding a digital display....

[terrytek]

I still got a few 720P televisions that are still analog and work just like a digital display to me

[ajoy39]

Finally! Someone agrees with me! FireWire SHOULD NEVER DIE!! SO WILL DVI!!!!

 

 

Hell, NO! It is not even obsolescent at all.

USB 3.0 and thunderbolt both obliterate it. It's obsolete, and has very little wide usage. It's obsolete. Just like AGP and PATA. 

[TheProfosist]

USB 3.0 and thunderbolt both obliterate it. It's obsolete, and has very little wide usage. It's obsolete. Just like AGP and PATA. 

 

please then find me my exact product that is in perfect working order in thunderbolt and tell me why I should switch when have to spend $400+ for the new product much less the pc with it.

[ajoy39]

please then find me my exact product that is in perfect working order in thunderbolt and tell me why I should switch when have to spend $400+ for the new product much less the pc with it.

If you still have firewire devices buy a firewire card, we are not going to halt computing progress just so you don't have to spend money. Firewire had a nice lifespan, it's well over 15 years old at this point. the rest of us are moving on, you're welcome to join if you wish.