Posted September 3, 2015 The big daddy of GTX 970s for $310 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125684 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 How do the 970s compare to the 390? and 290x? There all in the same price range, looking to pick one up for the new watercooled build im planning. Consume The Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author How do the 970s compare to the 390? and 290x? There all in the same price range, looking to pick one up for the new watercooled build im planning. Watercooling a 970 is pointless, overclocks are never limited by temperature on the 970. The 970, 390, and 290x are all extremely similar at 1080p, the AMD cards pull away at 1440p and above. Of the three the 390 is the best 1080p card by a hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 How do the 970s compare to the 390? and 290x? There all in the same price range, looking to pick one up for the new watercooled build im planning. 390 is a bit better than the 970 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | CPU Cooler: Stock AMD Cooler | Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) | RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 | GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB Zotac Mini | Case: K280 Case | PSU: Cooler Master B600 Power supply | SSD: 1TB | HDDs: 1x 250GB & 1x 1TB WD Blue | Monitors: 24" Acer S240HLBID + 24" Samsung | OS: Win 10 Pro Audio: Behringer Q802USB Xenyx 8 Input Mixer | U-PHORIA UMC204HD | Behringer XM8500 Dynamic Cardioid Vocal Microphone | Sound Blaster Audigy Fx PCI-E card. Home Lab: Lenovo ThinkCenter M82 ESXi 6.7 | Lenovo M93 Tiny Exchange 2019 | TP-LINK TL-SG1024D 24-Port Gigabit | Cisco ASA 5506 firewall | Cisco Catalyst 3750 Gigabit Switch | Cisco 2960C-LL | HP MicroServer G8 NAS | Custom built SCCM Server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 390 is a bit better than the 970 Okay ill probably go for the 390 then. Whats a good one for watercooling? Consume The Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Watercooling a 970 is pointless, overclocks are never limited by temperature on the 970. The 970, 390, and 290x are all extremely similar at 1080p, the AMD cards pull away at 1440p and above. Of the three the 390 is the best 1080p card by a hair. Hello???? Do you understand how Maxwell scaling works with voltage at low temperatures, please use a cork to plug all the crap coming from your mouth. The G1 Gaming will blow past both underwater, 390/x doesn't OC for shit. If you insist on AMD get a 290X Lightning. PEWDIEPIE DONT CROSS THAT BRIDGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Watercooling a 970 is pointless, overclocks are never limited by temperature on the 970. The 970, 390, and 290x are all extremely similar at 1080p, the AMD cards pull away at 1440p and above. Of the three the 390 is the best 1080p card by a hair. Maxwell is extremely limited by temperature, but not in the general sense. (IE: omg my 290x is hitting 95c!! I need to watercool!) Maxwell really likes to be cold, the lower you get the temp the better it will scale, you won't gain a lot of mhz from watercooling a 970, but if you have the extra $ and want more performance as well as way quieter operation, then its always a plus. Stuff: i7 7700k @ (dat nibba succ) | ASRock Z170M OC Formula | G.Skill TridentZ 3600 c16 | EKWB 1080 @ 2100 mhz | Acer X34 Predator | R4 | EVGA 1000 P2 | 1080mm Radiator Custom Loop | HD800 + Audio-GD NFB-11 | 850 Evo 1TB | 840 Pro 256GB | 3TB WD Blue | 2TB Barracuda Hwbot: http://hwbot.org/user/lays/ FireStrike 980 ti @ 1800 Mhz http://hwbot.org/submission/3183338 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/11574089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Hello???? Do you understand how Maxwell scaling works with voltage at low temperatures, please use a cork to plug all the crap coming from your mouth. The G1 Gaming will blow past both underwater, 390/x doesn't OC for shit. If you insist on AMD get a 290X Lightning. Ahem.. https://youtu.be/k9cKZiJw6Pk?t=8m22s CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | CPU Cooler: Stock AMD Cooler | Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) | RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 | GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB Zotac Mini | Case: K280 Case | PSU: Cooler Master B600 Power supply | SSD: 1TB | HDDs: 1x 250GB & 1x 1TB WD Blue | Monitors: 24" Acer S240HLBID + 24" Samsung | OS: Win 10 Pro Audio: Behringer Q802USB Xenyx 8 Input Mixer | U-PHORIA UMC204HD | Behringer XM8500 Dynamic Cardioid Vocal Microphone | Sound Blaster Audigy Fx PCI-E card. Home Lab: Lenovo ThinkCenter M82 ESXi 6.7 | Lenovo M93 Tiny Exchange 2019 | TP-LINK TL-SG1024D 24-Port Gigabit | Cisco ASA 5506 firewall | Cisco Catalyst 3750 Gigabit Switch | Cisco 2960C-LL | HP MicroServer G8 NAS | Custom built SCCM Server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author Maxwell is extremely limited by temperature, but not in the general sense. (IE: omg my 290x is hitting 95c!! I need to watercool!) Maxwell really likes to be cold, the lower you get the temp the better it will scale. That's not my experience at all. I can get my 970 to stay in the low 60s and it doesn't make a shred of difference in the overclock I get versus running it at 75C with the default fan curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 That's not my experience at all. I can get my 970 to stay in the low 60s and it doesn't make a shred of difference in the overclock I get versus running it at 75C with the default fan curve. Getting it below 50 helps in my experience. I was just benching my 980 at 1609 core and 9312 memory with load temps at 27c, something I couldn't get anywhere close to on air. Stuff: i7 7700k @ (dat nibba succ) | ASRock Z170M OC Formula | G.Skill TridentZ 3600 c16 | EKWB 1080 @ 2100 mhz | Acer X34 Predator | R4 | EVGA 1000 P2 | 1080mm Radiator Custom Loop | HD800 + Audio-GD NFB-11 | 850 Evo 1TB | 840 Pro 256GB | 3TB WD Blue | 2TB Barracuda Hwbot: http://hwbot.org/user/lays/ FireStrike 980 ti @ 1800 Mhz http://hwbot.org/submission/3183338 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/11574089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author Maxwell really likes to be cold, the lower you get the temp the better it will scale, you won't gain a lot of mhz from watercooling a 970, If you don't get a lot of mhz out of the lower temperatures, what do you mean by the way it scales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Ahem.. https://youtu.be/k9cKZiJw6Pk?t=8m22s Well you can't really use that... The 970 is just 1442mhz That's not my experience at all. I can get my 970 to stay in the low 60s and it doesn't make a shred of difference in the overclock I get versus running it at 75C with the default fan curve. Maxwell cards like even lower temps i5 2400 | ASUS RTX 4090 TUF OC | Seasonic 1200W Prime Gold | WD Green 120gb | WD Blue 1tb | some ram | a random case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author Getting it below 50 helps in my experience. I was just benching my 980 at 1609 core and 9312 memory with load temps at 27c, something I couldn't get anywhere close to on air. Are you talking with an EK waterblock so you're cooling the VRM and memory too? Is Maxwell limited by VRM temperatures? Would a Kraken G10 + Asetek cooler be pointless then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 IDK what to do lmfao X'D Consume The Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author Hello???? Do you understand how Maxwell scaling works with voltage at low temperatures, please use a cork to plug all the crap coming from your mouth. The G1 Gaming will blow past both underwater, 390/x doesn't OC for shit. If you insist on AMD get a 290X Lightning. I guess I don't. How does the voltage scale with temperature and how much difference has it made for your 970's performance putting it under water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 I guess I don't. How does the voltage scale with temperature and how much difference has it made for your 970's performance putting it under water? I no longer own it, but when I could keep it below 50c 1625mhz and 2100 mem was EZ in FS. where as around 75c I could barely bench 1590. PEWDIEPIE DONT CROSS THAT BRIDGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author I no longer own it, but when I could keep it below 50c 1625mhz and 2100 mem was EZ in FS. where as around 75c I could barely bench 1590. What was your memory clock on air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 What was your memory clock on air? 2150 was my bench stable PEWDIEPIE DONT CROSS THAT BRIDGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Maxwell is extremely limited by temperature, but not in the general sense. (IE: omg my 290x is hitting 95c!! I need to watercool!) Maxwell really likes to be cold, the lower you get the temp the better it will scale, you won't gain a lot of mhz from watercooling a 970, but if you have the extra $ and want more performance as well as way quieter operation, then its always a plus. ^ This. My 970 takes a shit past 52C once I have it at 1560/2100 for benching. Then my 650ti doesn't care if its at 70C or 50C. Spoiler Senor Shiny: Main- CPU Intel i7 6700k 4.7GHz @1.42v | RAM G.Skill TridentZ CL16 3200 | GPU Asus Strix GTX 1070 (2100/2152) | Motherboard ASRock Z170 OC Formula | HDD Seagate 1TB x2 | SSD 850 EVO 120GB | CASE NZXT S340 (Black) | PSU Supernova G2 750W | Cooling NZXT Kraken X62 w/Vardars Secondary (Plex): CPU Intel Xeon E3-1230 v3 @1.099v | RAM Samsun Wonder 16GB CL9 1600 (sadly no oc) | GPU Asus GTX 680 4GB DCII | Motherboard ASRock H97M-Pro4 | HDDs Seagate 1TB, WD Blue 1TB, WD Blue 3TB | Case Corsair Air 240 (Black) | PSU EVGA 600B | Cooling GeminII S524 Spoiler (Deceased) DangerousNotDell- CPU AMD AMD FX 8120 @4.8GHz 1.42v | GPU Asus GTX 680 4GB DCII | RAM Samsung Wonder 8GB (CL9 2133MHz 1.6v) | Motherboard Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z | Cooling EVO 212 | Case Rosewill Redbone | PSU EVGA 600B | HDD Seagate 1TB DangerousNotDell New Parts For Main Rig Build Log, Señor Shiny I am a beautiful person. The comments for your help. I have to be a good book. I have to be a good book. I have to be a good book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 These cards are not all decently binned, but mine runs a stable 1550 core and 8000 memory on air. Make sure you get the Samsung memory which is available in both revisions but less so in the second one than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 These cards are not all decently binned, but mine runs a stable 1550 core and 8000 memory on air. Make sure you get the Samsung memory which is available in both revisions but less so in the second one than the first.ETA: mine is stable through 78c which is as hot as I can possibly get it. Normally runs around 68c peak and 57-62 normal gaming at 100 percent usage. I have never upped my core anymore to find out but I imagine there is 20 or so more left for core speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Author I no longer own it, but when I could keep it below 50c 1625mhz and 2100 mem was EZ in FS. where as around 75c I could barely bench 1590. 2150 was my bench stable I'm a little confused here. Your 970 got to 1590 MHz core on air and 1625 MHz core on water? That doesn't sound like much of a bump. 2150 MHz on memory sounds like a lot, though I'm confused there too since you said 2100 MHz on water and then 2150 MHz when I asked what you got on air for memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 3, 2015 Watercooling a 970 is pointless, overclocks are never limited by temperature on the 970. The 970, 390, and 290x are all extremely similar at 1080p, the AMD cards pull away at 1440p and above. Of the three the 390 is the best 1080p card by a hair. Water cooling a 970 is not inherently pointless. A cooler running card is always a plus. "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out." - Carl Sagan. "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you" - Edward I. Koch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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