Prove Me Wrong: Hyper 212 + 4690K @ 4.6 GHz

[BigDay]

The reason for that status has less to do with price/performance and acoustics and more to do with exposure and the amount of times it has been suggested.

 

absolutely. it's thrown around so hard these days. i've seen countless builds with 4690k's and 4790k's with just a 212 evo!

 

like dude, you're spending that much on a cpu and you don't want to push it to its limits? the 212 won't help with that

[Atmos]

It cools well, doesnt mean it is THAT good. It IS good, no denying that, but it is also overhyped.

You are also dumping it into your CASE, which means the mosfet of your mobo will experience higher ambient temps, like with any air cooler.

For best budget cooling, you are better off with a 40 USD Cooler Master Seidon 120mm radiator. Not because it is 100% sure to be better then the 212, most likely they are equal or the 212 may even inch ahead. BUT, a radiator will dump the heat outside the case, allowing for more stable operation as the mobo wont have to deal with a shitton of ambient heat in the case.

Even in a case with GREAT airflow, ambient temps WILL rise by using air cooling rather then liquid. That is just the reality of things.

Which is precisely why I personally and using a 90$ aio, even though it cools marginally better than some 50$ options. That and it means I can beat about having a wager cooled 4790k,because a bigger e-peen is something we all need.

*thanks auto correct, you once again make me cry

[TheSLSAMG]

absolutely. it's thrown around so hard these days. i've seen countless builds with 4690k's and 4790k's with just a 212 evo!

 

like dude, you're spending that much on a cpu and you don't want to push it to its limits? the 212 won't help with that

With the i5 for a light OC, it's definitely fine. However you spend $330 on a CPU and $170 on a board but $30 on a cooler. It's not so well balanced here.

[Prysin]

doesn't haswell run much hotter than that chip though?

only 4770 i think, due to its partially faulty power delivery.

 

 

But hey, who cares about intel anyway.

 

If the Hyper212 cannot handle a FX 9590, then its not worth using. The end.

[Mao_Zedong]

for the price not above the price....

for 27 dollers not 40 dollers..

I know, I was refuting that you can't beat it unless you pay $100+. It is generally the best for its price, though other coolers like the be quiet shadow rock slim are a bit better for only a little more. The shadow rock slim also looks way nicer.

 

150 is a touch high I'll warrant, but it's price, performance, and level of noise still all back up its pseudo legendary status in pc building.

The be quiet shadow rock slim is a bit better for only $10-15 more, and it also looks nicer. Despite that, many people recommend the 212 when the person could easily afford a shadow rock slim.

[DarkBlade2117]

quietness just depends on the fans no?

Yes but for around the same price you'd be spending more to get a quieter fan for the 212 Evo

[79wjd]

absolutely. it's thrown around so hard these days. i've seen countless builds with 4690k's and 4790k's with just a 212 evo!

 

like dude, you're spending that much on a cpu and you don't want to push it to its limits? the 212 won't help with that

 

 

With the i5 for a light OC, it's definitely fine. However you spend $330 on a CPU and $170 on a board but $30 on a cooler. It's not so well balanced here.

If I could go back about a year I would no question swap my 4690k+Seidon 240m for a 4790k+Hyper212 (well, I'd probably end up with a Dark Rock 3, since I'd want a black heatsink, but that's irrelevant), so it's really not that stupid.

It's $330 vs. $360, and both will likely achieve similar clock speeds, but the 4790k would have HT.

[Aytex]

Yes but for around the same price you'd be spending more to get a quieter fan for the 212 Evo

I agree on that also..

[007agentHP]

doesn't haswell run much hotter than that chip though?

no, tdp of 130w so its hotter and overclocking adds more to it

[TheSLSAMG]

 

 

If I could go back about a year I would no question swap my 4690k+Seidon 240m for a 4790k+Hyper212 (well, I'd probably end up with a Dark Rock 3, since I'd want a black heatsink, but that's irrelevant), so it's really not that stupid.

It's $330 vs. $360, and both will likely achieve similar clock speeds, but the 4790k would have HT.

Fair enough. I have a Dark Rock sitting in it's box because the mounting hardware is a pain in the ass and becaue it wouldn't properly mount. One of these days I have to contact be quiet! and get new hardware.

[Giganizer300PRO]

there's no way this cooler is ready for a serious overclock in combo with the i5-4690k. it would be great for a 4590/4690 non-k or lower, but not for anything above

 

i'm getting sick of seeing it tossed around in builds

 

prove to me that it can hold a max load temperature of less than 85 degrees at an overclock of 4.6 ghz after running 15 minutes of intel extreme tuning utility or prime95 or aida64

 

doubt it, but i'm open to being proved wrong!

Prime95 is not appropriate for Haswell CPU's, in fact it damages them, but now that you are challenging me, I'm going for it!

[Prysin]

 

 

If I could go back about a year I would no question swap my 4690k+Seidon 240m for a 4790k+Hyper212 (well, I'd probably end up with a Dark Rock 3, since I'd want a black heatsink, but that's irrelevant), so it's really not that stupid.

It's $330 vs. $360, and both will likely achieve similar clock speeds, but the 4790k would have HT.

There is the happy middleground. Xeon with 212...

[TheSLSAMG]

I know, I was refuting that you can't beat it unless you pay $100+. It is generally the best for its price, though other coolers like the be quiet shadow rock slim are a bit better for only a little more. The shadow rock slim also looks way nicer.

 

The be quiet shadow rock slim is a bit better for only $10-15 more, and it also looks nicer. Despite that, many people recommend the 212 when the person could easily afford a shadow rock slim.

Or the Cryorig H7 which costs $34.50 at Newegg and performs better while being quieter and having a better aesthetic and mounting system.

[79wjd]

There is the happy middleground. Xeon with 212...

4790k @ 4.4ghz > E3 1231 @ 3.4ghz

[Prysin]

A rad also adds another level of complexity/failure/noise. Those budget AIOs are usually not worth the money -- the added heat you're dumping on the mosfets is largely irrelevant. (I've ran my 4690k w/ a Seidon 240m as both intake and exhaust and intake is able to maintain the same oc while allowing cooler temps due to using cold outside air)

i will also add that todays AIOs, they are almost as likely to break as most case fans. That being said, I HAVE HAD A FAN EXPLODE ON ME, litterally BANG blades everywhere. Just a stroke of luck that it didnt shred my radiator to bits, instead the blades went up rather then down into my rad....

 

AIO pumps are usually pretty sturdy. These units are sold to idiots who got no clue on how to setup watercooling. They must be 100% hassle free, 100% maintenance free and 100% idiot proof. Putting low quality stuff in there wont solve that.

 

Albeit you get what you pay for in that respect too.

While a H100i GTX or nepton 240 will get the job done, they are only marginally better then a Kraken X41. So why is that? because that my dear is the difference between a high quality variable speed pump + well engineered rad in terms of fin density and thickness, and something that costs notably less but has lower quality parts.. Sure the difference is only 10-30 USD... but that is HUGE in terms of quality here.

 

I got a Nepton 240 on order, hopefully ill get it tomorrow, maybe ill take the time to test how it goes up against my Kraken X60 one day....

[79wjd]

i will also add that todays AIOs, they are almost as likely to break as most case fans. That being said, I HAVE HAD A FAN EXPLODE ON ME, litterally BANG blades everywhere. Just a stroke of luck that it didnt shred my radiator to bits, instead the blades went up rather then down into my rad....

 

AIO pumps are usually pretty sturdy. These units are sold to idiots who got no clue on how to setup watercooling. They must be 100% hassle free, 100% maintenance free and 100% idiot proof. Putting low quality stuff in there wont solve that.

 

Albeit you get what you pay for in that respect too.

While a H100i GTX or nepton 240 will get the job done, they are only marginally better then a Kraken X41. So why is that? because that my dear is the difference between a high quality variable speed pump + well engineered rad in terms of fin density and thickness, and something that costs notably less but has lower quality parts.. Sure the difference is only 10-30 USD... but that is HUGE in terms of quality here.

 

I got a Nepton 240 on order, hopefully ill get it tomorrow, maybe ill take the time to test how it goes up against my Kraken X60 one day....

Well, realize that most of these AIOs are using extremely low profile pumps pressed up again a copper block that reaches close to boiling point, so while modern AIOs are pretty reliable, there is a reason why most have only two year warranties. 

[Prysin]

Well, realize that most of these AIOs are using extremely low profile pumps pressed up again a copper block that reaches close to boiling point, so while modern AIOs are pretty reliable, there is a reason why most have only two year warranties. 

actually, the 2 year warranty is due to evaporation more then pump failure rate.

 

steam is much harder to contain due to its tiny molecules, thus it leaks out of even what is considered water proof connections. Unless the radiator, hose and pump were one single unified seamless entity, water vapor will escape. How much depends on how much heat the AIO needs to deal with.

 

There is a reason you are supposed to drain and refill your custom loop once or twice a year. not only to "clean" the water, but also to replenish it, as it will slowly evaporate.