[Heavy images and content. See "Recap" for lighter version] Microsoft BUILD Event - Day1 Keynote

[MrDynamicMan]

YEEEES! YEEEESSSSSSSS! YES! the hype is real! Can't wait!

I need day business payment method.

Jk, literally everything I read was awesome.

[alpenwasser]

just curious why this is needed since there is open office, libre, and google office?

 

 

Because Office 365 in the workplace collectively kicks the ass of all the above. Combined. MSs enterprise software and service is not a joke. I'd rather have my buildings run MS than anything else if I could.

As long as I can use Libreoffice with its own file format it's fine, but I have had several

cases recently where it screwed up MS Office documents I needed to work on in college, and

I can't really avoid those. For Writer/Word it's often not that much of an issue, but Excel/Calc

and especially Powerpoint stuff is a frequent source of trouble and has not worked reliably

for me.

For Word documents, the worst that usually happens is that the formatting gets screwed up,

which might not be much of an issue (but it can be, depending on circumstances). However,

Calc recently just flat-out corrupted an Excel document and rendered it unreadable in Excel,

which is not an acceptable scenario. And it was not just a one-time fluke, the behavior was

repeatable. Luckily I'd made a backup beforehand so we didn't lose our work.

And Powerpoint documents have been horrible in general for me in Libreoffice. I can usually

open and read them, but they rarely get formatted correcty, and certainly nothing I ever add

and then save gets formatted as it should, which is really bad for a presentation.

Bottom line in my personal experience lately: Libreoffice mostly reads MS Office documents

acceptably, however writing to MS Office formats has been a pretty bad experience for me.

@GoodBytes has recommended I have a look at Office Online though, so I might give that a

shot. It won't replace LaTeX for me, but it should at least allow me to work on MS Office

documents in group projects without trouble.

[Dabombinable]

 

 

As long as I can use Libreoffice with its own file format it's fine, but I have had several

cases recently where it screwed up MS Office documents I needed to work on in college, and

I can't really avoid those. For Writer/Word it's often not that much of an issue, but Excel/Calc

and especially Powerpoint stuff is a frequent source of trouble and has not worked reliably

for me.

For Word documents, the worst that usually happens is that the formatting gets screwed up,

which might not be much of an issue (but it can be, depending on circumstances). However,

Calc recently just flat-out corrupted an Excel document and rendered it unreadable in Excel,

which is not an acceptable scenario. And it was not just a one-time fluke, the behavior was

repeatable. Luckily I'd made a backup beforehand so we didn't lose our work.

And Powerpoint documents have been horrible in general for me in Libreoffice. I can usually

open and read them, but they rarely get formatted correcty, and certainly nothing I ever add

and then save gets formatted as it should, which is really bad for a presentation.

Bottom line in my personal experience lately: Libreoffice mostly reads MS Office documents

acceptably, however writing to MS Office formats has been a pretty bad experience for me.

@GoodBytes has recommended I have a look at Office Online though, so I might give that a

shot. It won't replace LaTeX for me, but it should at least allow me to work on MS Office

documents in group projects without trouble.

Doesn'y MS office (or the latter versions of it) support open documents anyway?

[alpenwasser]

Doesn'y MS office (or the latter versions of it) support open documents anyway?

Yes, I think that's right. But we sometimes get handed templates, so there isn't always

a way to avoid the issue altogether.

Plus, if I'm being perfectly honest, I'm kind of tired ot asking my friends to "please

take into the consideration the Libreoffice guy who can't handle MS Office file formats".

It makes me feel like some weakling hipster, and I really don't have the time or energy

to constantly explain this issue to people.

[ShadowCaptain]

Excited that Microsoft are doing cool shit for once

[RagnarokDel]

I'm looking at the hololens and I have one thing to say. 3D modelers are going to become very very important in the future.

[RagnarokDel]

What do they mean by free? Is it only free for one year then I have to pay for it? 

you have a year to switch after that you have to pay but if you did it during the year, it's free forever.

 

 

The holo lens is a good concept, but it looks bad when worn.

Who cares, you're not supposed to look at yourself in a mirror or go outside with it while using it.

[Nineshadow]

I'm looking at the hololens and I have one thing to say. 3D modelers are going to become very very important in the future.

They are pretty important already.

[RagnarokDel]

They are pretty important already.

nah but I mean they're going to be the automobile shop workers at the turn of the 20th century in the future or something like that. 

 

You know how Nintendo made a deal to bring their games to mobile/PC a few weeks back. I wonder if that's because of windows 10

[Dabombinable]

you have a year to switch after that you have to pay but if you did it during the year, it's free forever.

 

 

 

Who cares, you're not supposed to look at yourself in a mirror or go outside with it while using it.

Lol, you don't look at yourself in a mirror, people look at you. Its current design aesthetics are terrible.

[GoodBytes]

On the discussion on OpenOffice and office:

Office can load and save *.odt file format,

In addition, as a student, you can get Office 365 for free. See your college or university for details, if they don't offer it, as they don't manage it, you can go here: https://products.office.com/en-us/student/office-in-education

You get the whole package, including the 1TB OneDrive space, and 5 licenses for PC/Mac, and 5 for tablets and phones (iOS, Android, WP).

If you are in high-school, or your school is too cheap to give you a student e-mail, you can also access Office online. Just login to your Microsoft service account (hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com, outlok.com, etc.) and you can access a light version, but you have than the basics: Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.

Not to mention you can get Office 365 personal for the few months you need it, and cancel when you are done., and only cash out a few dollars per month.

[Dabombinable]

On the discussion on OpenOffice and office:

Office can load and save *.odt file format,

In addition, as a student, you can get Office 365 for free. See your college or university for details, if they don't offer it, as they don't manage it, you can go here: https://products.office.com/en-us/student/office-in-education

You get the whole package, including the 1TB OneDrive space, and 5 licenses for PC/Msc, and 5 for tablets and phones (iOS, Android, WP).

If you are in high-school, o your school is too cheap to give you a student e-mail, you can also access Office online. Just login to your Microsoft service account (hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com, outlok.com, etc.) and you can access a light version, but you have than the basics: Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.

Not to mention you can get Office 365 personal for the few months you need it, and cancel when you are done., and only cash out a few dollars per month.

Sweet, I've only got 2007-which is in my experience after upgrading from 2003, a simple re-skin.

[Echodamus]

you have a year to switch after that you have to pay but if you did it during the year, it's free forever.

 

 

Thanks, much appreciated. 

[Doobeedoo]

Well, I watched the livestream. They presented some cool stuff, some are still pretty crude though. Non the less, I want to see how Windows 10 will kick off, hopefully amazing. 

[pawan1993]

Damn! Microsoft you're stepping up. I'm seeing the new Microsoft as being much more dev friendly, developing more relevant & useful features, making it a more uniform experience for all Windows 10 users (tablets, PC's and phones) and improving their cloud services. It's been such a long time since I've been this excited for software developments, especially from Microsoft. I just hope they deliver on what they've said. So stoked though!

[AlexGoesHigh]

video about porting android apps to windows

they even went as far to support other IDE's and have a web analyzer, mac too, they literally made it a 1 one man, 1 day job with simple apps, complex stuff shouldn't take long either 

[AxelRantila]

Day 2 Keynote is also available now

 

https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/KEY02

[GoodBytes]

Yes! I could not access it yesterday. Server too busy

[X1XNobleX1X]

Windows 10 looks amazing!

Can't wait to install it.

[LAwLz]

Looked though all the stuff announced on day 1 and I really don't understand why everyone is so hyped. What did they announce that was so groundbreaking and amazing?

[dalekphalm]

Looked though all the stuff announced on day 1 and I really don't understand why everyone is so hyped. What did they announce that was so groundbreaking and amazing?

For me personally:

Windows 10 Continuum - this is groundbreaking - Dock your phone into a dock connected to mouse + keyboard + monitor, and your phone is now your desktop - this is a really good idea, and it makes a lot of sense. How many people actually need more power then a phone can offer?

 

If you're just doing Facebook, email, and MS Office Suite, then the phone has more then enough power.

 

Other really awesome stuff is the easy porting from Android, the universal apps across all devices (Granted, you'll need to create an appropriate GUI for each environment, but the code stays the same).

 

Visual Studio Code also sounds awesome too.

 

All the business stuff is also mind blowing. They have introduced the ability for a company to buy a bunch of apps off the Windows Store (And remember, x86 Desktop Apps will be able to added to the store now - not just Modern Apps). These apps are then able to be presented to anyone on the Company Domain, who can install apps as needed. From an IT Management perspective, this is fucking awesome. Half my time is spent installing programs for people because we don't want the users to have access to our license keys.

 

You can even create your own custom Windows Store that has only the authorized apps you want on it. Great for company owned devices that get handed out to people.

 

None of that excites you in the slightest?

[RH00D]

For me personally:

Windows 10 Continuum - this is groundbreaking - Dock your phone into a dock connected to mouse + keyboard + monitor, and your phone is now your desktop - this is a really good idea, and it makes a lot of sense. How many people actually need more power then a phone can offer?

 

If you're just doing Facebook, email, and MS Office Suite, then the phone has more then enough power.

 

Other really awesome stuff is the easy porting from Android, the universal apps across all devices (Granted, you'll need to create an appropriate GUI for each environment, but the code stays the same).

 

Visual Studio Code also sounds awesome too.

 

All the business stuff is also mind blowing. They have introduced the ability for a company to buy a bunch of apps off the Windows Store (And remember, x86 Desktop Apps will be able to added to the store now - not just Modern Apps). These apps are then able to be presented to anyone on the Company Domain, who can install apps as needed. From an IT Management perspective, this is fucking awesome. Half my time is spent installing programs for people because we don't want the users to have access to our license keys.

 

You can even create your own custom Windows Store that has only the authorized apps you want on it. Great for company owned devices that get handed out to people.

 

None of that excites you in the slightest?

 

I was also blown the fuck away by HoloLens. Again. Jesus, that thing is just incredible.

[dalekphalm]

I was also blown the fuck away by HoloLens. Again. Jesus, that thing is just incredible.

Yeah the technology was rather impressive!

 

However, it looks fugly I wouldn't wear one around anyone else until they revise the external aesthetics of it a bit

[pawan1993]

Yeah the technology was rather impressive!

 

However, it looks fugly I wouldn't wear one around anyone else until they revise the external aesthetics of it a bit

HoloLens is going to be amazing. One thing most others didn't notice that I think is going to be big in Windows 10 is the consistency between devices and within the OS itself. I love how MS has actually listened and made the whole experience more consistent on a single device and more consistent between devices. On top of that how good does the adaptive UI look for different hardware? I love how they're finally improving the touch experience on the desktop. Small things like spacing out menus more for touch screens is going to make for a much better and intuitive experience for all platforms. It looks like they got it right between maintaining a consistent experience and adapting it to the hardware. Just hoping it delivers on what MS has shown us. First time in ages since I've been excited by what's coming out from Microsoft.

[LAwLz]

For me personally:

Windows 10 Continuum - this is groundbreaking - Dock your phone into a dock connected to mouse + keyboard + monitor, and your phone is now your desktop - this is a really good idea, and it makes a lot of sense. How many people actually need more power then a phone can offer?

How is it ground breaking? Asus has been doing this for about 4 years now with Android. Dock your phone into a tablet, dock your tablet into a keyboard. I can even connect mouse, keyboard and a monitor to my tablet if I want to. It will be the same thing because the Windows 10 phones won't be able to run x86 programs (the only reason why I want the desktop).

I've been talking about your phone being your only computer for about 5 years or so, but we are still not there in terms of performance and especially not programs. It will be nice in the future but I don't think it's exciting or ground breaking right now.

Ubuntu has done a similar thing as well in the past (although it doesn't seem like it is getting any market share).

 

 

Other really awesome stuff is the easy porting from Android, the universal apps across all devices (Granted, you'll need to create an appropriate GUI for each environment, but the code stays the same).

I'm gonna wait and see how easy it actually is, how well it performs and how feature compatibility will be before getting excited. They weren't exactly very detailed in their explanations or examples. I am also a bit worried about this being Microsoft trying to pull an "Embrace, extend and extinguish" tactic like they have done several times in the past. It seems like Microsoft's mentality has changed and that they are no longer pure fucking evil, but I still don't trust them.

 

 

Visual Studio Code also sounds awesome too.

Meh... It's nice and all to have another editor to choose from but it seems like Microsoft based it on Atom and added their own proprietary modules and tweaks. The most surprising and revolutionary thing about it is that it's Microsoft doing it. Kind of bothers me that they didn't even give any mention or thanks to GitHub during the presentation.

I will try it out but I don't see why anyone would cream their pants over it, especially not since a lot of people screaming are not developers. They didn't even make it open source despite the underlying editor being. I guess that's what GitHub gets for not using GPL.

 

 

All the business stuff is also mind blowing. They have introduced the ability for a company to buy a bunch of apps off the Windows Store (And remember, x86 Desktop Apps will be able to added to the store now - not just Modern Apps). These apps are then able to be presented to anyone on the Company Domain, who can install apps as needed. From an IT Management perspective, this is fucking awesome. Half my time is spent installing programs for people because we don't want the users to have access to our license keys.

It's nice to have it built into the OS but we have been able to do this for quite some time with third party solutions such as Chef (and Chef works on a lot more than just Windows 10).

I mean, as soon as they use anything other than Windows 10 you still need to rely on third party programs which does similar or the same thing. It's a nice addition but again, not really revolutionary or that exciting, especially not for the people who are screaming the most about how awesome the conference was (see this thread for lots of examples).

 

 

You can even create your own custom Windows Store that has only the authorized apps you want on it. Great for company owned devices that get handed out to people.

Pretty cool but very limit use outside of companies (and even then only a small portion of companies).

 

 

 

No I didn't really get excited over anything they talked about yesterday. They did show and talk about some neat things but again, nothing I think is groundbreaking or amazing. What worries me a bit is that a lot of people show the same kind of mentality towards this keynote as they do towards Apple keynotes. They go mental over things that have been done before (sometimes even better) and they get really hyped over things which we don't know a whole lot about. Reminds me of the reality distortion field Jobs had to an uncomfortable degree.

 

I am looking forward to Windows 10 a lot, but this keynote didn't change my level of excitement for it.