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Some New AMD Carrizo Details

There hasn't been much talk lately about Carrizo so why not.

 

In a recent video of Lisa Su talking about the future of the semiconductor technology she is found playing with a Carrizo engineering sample.

 

 

Revealing a close up shot of the top of the chip and it's strings.

 

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The identification string is as follows.

ZM18B8C1Y4382

We can break down some of the string using the Bulldozer family identification information.

  • Z = Brand
  • M = Mobile
  • 18B8 = Model (ES 1.8 GHz Base 3.4 GHz Turbo)
  • C1 = TDP (15w/35w)
  • Y = Package (FP4)
  • 4 = Cores (4 Cores)
  • 3 = Cache (1 MB L2 Per Module)
  • 82 = Stepping
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amd should just go ahead and make an APU with quad core (latest architecture)  and a GPU equivalent to a 285 and DDR4 support

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Yeah sure, because that's possible right now.

It's possible, just not practical.

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amd should just go ahead and make an APU with quad core (latest architecture)  and a GPU equivalent to a 285 and DDR4 support

 

Good luck dissipating the 285's heat though ^^ maybe when 20nm gpus actually become feasible...

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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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I'm really excited for these :3

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Good luck dissipating the 285's heat though ^^ maybe when 20nm gpus actually become feasible...

Gpus heat output very little heat relative to cpus. Look at the referance nvidia cooler heatsinks, and how quiet and cool they run. 

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Good luck dissipating the 285's heat though ^^ maybe when 20nm gpus actually become feasible...

Just slap an AIO on it.

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Good luck dissipating the 285's heat though ^^ maybe when 20nm gpus actually become feasible...

well the 285 is a tonga based GPU  (190 watts )

a tower cooler should be fine

the ps4 is doing fine with a 270 GPU

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if apus become prevalent at the lower end of the market we could see motherboards designed to hold larger coolers with ease (eg extra holes for another support. and new coolers designed to fit them.

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well the 285 is a tonga based GPU  (190 watts )

a tower cooler should be fine

the ps4 is doing fine with a 270 GPU

 

Actually its more like the 270x, and in future years, like all consoles, the r9 280. 

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Gpus heat output very little heat relative to cpus. Look at the referance nvidia cooler heatsinks, and how quiet and cool they run. 

 

The TDP of an athlon 860k is 95 watts. That's 95 watts of heat being generated by that cpu. an R9 285 has a tdp of 190 watts. It generates twice as much heat as the cpu part would. Nvidia's reference heatinks are more than twice the size of the intel stock cooler and they mount a better fan, not to mention the 900 series has a fairly low TDP compared to the R9 285. The athlon plus the 285 together would generate 285 watts of heat, that's more than an FX 9590 by comparison, it would fry the motherboard and be extremely hard to cool even at stock. They'd need to include a noctua nh-d15 as the stock cooler...

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Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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Just slap an AIO on it.

 

well the 285 is a tonga based GPU  (190 watts )

a tower cooler should be fine

the ps4 is doing fine with a 270 GPU

 

The CPU plus the gpu would generate more heat than an FX 9590. Would you consider that acceptable when you could just have the gpu in a separate expansion card with much faster memory?

 

Actually its more like the 270x, and in future years, like all consoles, the r9 280. 

 

wat

 

consoles don't get hardware upgrades... and the gpu in the ps4 is somewhere inbetween the 260x and the 270.

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Sauron'stm Product Scores:

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Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

Spoiler

From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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The TDP of an athlon 860k is 95 watts. That's 95 watts of heat being generated by that cpu. an R9 285 has a tdp of 190 watts. It generates twice as much heat as the cpu part would. Nvidia's reference heatinks are more than twice the size of the intel stock cooler and they mount a better fan, not to mention the 900 series has a fairly low TDP compared to the R9 285. The athlon plus the 285 together would generate 285 watts of heat, that's more than an FX 9590 by comparison, it would fry the motherboard and be extremely hard to cool even at stock. They'd need to include a noctua nh-d15 as the stock cooler...

As I am sure many of us have heard Linus repeatedly states that CPUs produce more heat than GPUs and the only reason a GPU runs hotter is because of the limited space (two slots) to put a cooler which for a CPU can often be as big as you like.

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Good luck dissipating the 285's heat though ^^ maybe when 20nm gpus actually become feasible...

Heat isn't a problem. It's the memory. DDR3 (and 4) just isn't fast enough to feed a 285 class GPU. It's the reason why PS4 has GDDR5 memory.

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Heat isn't a problem. It's the memory. DDR3 (and 4) just isn't fast enough to feed a 285 class GPU. It's the reason why PS4 has GDDR5 memory.

but it can only use between 1 and 3 gbs. Remember the cpu needs ram. 

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The CPU plus the gpu would generate more heat than an FX 9590. Would you consider that acceptable when you could just have the gpu in a separate expansion card with much faster memory?

XV = 15w TDP

R9 = 190w TDP

 

The heat output would be less than a R9 290X which stands at 53C under a full load with a Kraken X40 strapped to it.

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but it can only use between 1 and 3 gbs. Remember the cpu needs ram. 

You can get stupid amounts of RAM nowadays... it's not fast enough.

 

From wiki:

64 lanes | GDDR5 | 1500 MHz | 6 GT/s | 384 Gbit/s | 48 GB/s

PC4-25600 DDR4 SDRAM | DDR4-3200 | 400 MHz | 3.2 GT/s | 204.8 Gbit/s | 25.6 GB/s

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As I am sure many of us have heard Linus repeatedly states that CPUs produce more heat than GPUs and the only reason a GPU runs hotter is because of the limited space (two slots) to put a cooler which for a CPU can often be as big as you like.

 

That's false. Sorry. TDPs don't lie. CPU tend to get hotter, but that's just because they don't have as much space for a heatsink (yep, it's the other way around, gpus get to have VERY long heatsinks, comaprable to nh-d15s in terms of volume, CPUs only start to get the advantge when we step into liquid cooling and 3x120mm radiators, which would hardly make sense on an APU) and fans and because they have a lower surface area (which would apply to an APU too), whereas a gpu can go balls to the wall with heatpipes and even triple 120mm fans. For reference, my core i7 2600 (95 watts tdp) never broke 75c on the silly stock cooler, which has a very small heatsink and a very weak fan. My R9 290 will reach that temperature even with two large fans and a ginormous heatsink with heatpipes everywhere. The 285 isn't quite as hot as the 290, but it's no refrigerator either. And together with a cpu it generates way more heat than is acceptable.

 

Heat isn't a problem. It's the memory. DDR3 (and 4) just isn't fast enough to feed a 285 class GPU. It's the reason why PS4 has GDDR5 memory.

 

That's ALSO a problem. But heat would be the deal breaker for me, APUs are supposed to be semi-budget solutions, not something I need to buy a 100$ heatsink for just to run it at stock.

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Sauron'stm Product Scores:

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Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

Spoiler

From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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You can get stupid amounts of RAM nowadays... it's not fast enough.

 

From wiki:

64 lanes | GDDR5 | 1500 MHz | 6 GT/s | 384 Gbit/s | 48 GB/s

PC4-25600 DDR4 SDRAM | DDR4-3200 | 400 MHz | 3.2 GT/s | 204.8 Gbit/s | 25.6 GB/s

What? I said the gpu on the ps4 can only use about 3gbs of vram. 

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The only way it will happen is after a few die node shrinks and with hbm. I doubt 20nm will be small enough to be practical.

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