Thoughts on leaked AMD Zen CPU (And when to upgrade)

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Here are the news/sources:

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/198386-amds-next-gen-cpu-leak-14nm-simultaneous-multithreading-and-ddr4-support

 

 

What is your thoughts on this?

 

I don't know what to say apart from should I go for Broadwell or wait for Skylake/AMD Zen.

I also want to replace my current case which is Cooler Master HAF XM but I don't know if I should do it now or save money for Broadwell/Skylake at the end of the year....

 

My question would be should I save money to replace my FX-8350 this year or my HAF XM case. I only have $250 at the moment which mean I can spend it on a decent case or save it.

 

My HAF XM only has 2x120 intake and 1x120 and 2x200 exhaust so it is running in negative pressure so gets dusty so easily. it is sucking up the dust in the air and accumulates on the dust filters which turns powdery white within 2 days, yes it kinda sounds disgusting lol but no matter how many times I clean my room it attracts dust. I go to a friend's house and still sucks up dust in the front intake. The interior is not very dusty at all which is a miracle tbh.

 

EDIT: My HAF XM is the windowed panel version which means there is no additional intake fans. Only two in the front.

[Octavialicious]

Meh, I was somewhat interested until they said it would be a new socket. Especially speaking I just got an i7, I doubt the new CPU will be able to rip me away from Intel

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Meh, I was somewhat interested until they said it would be a new socket. Especially speaking I just got an i7, I doubt the new CPU will be able to rip me away from Intel

I thought they said it will be on the old FM2 socket?

[Octavialicious]

I thought they said it will be on the old FM2 socket?

I thought it was going to be called FM3, but I may be wrong. Either way I had an AM3+ board, so I would've had to buy a new board anyways which I wouldn't be willing to do

[jousef]

2016

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2016

The waiting is killing me!

 

So my question is should I upgrade my case in the meantime or is it wise to just wait and save?

[Hieb]

Eight-core, 14nm, DDR4 at 95W TDP?

 

Eight real cores? Or eight pipelines with four front-ends?

 

I might jizz.

[Enderman]

IMO their single core performance will still be crap, as usual.

But hey, maybe they can increase it if they work some magic on 14nm.

[Hieb]

IMO their single core performance will still be crap, as usual.

But hey, maybe they can increase it if they work some magic on 14nm.

 

We'll see... hopefully if it's not stuck on the Bulldozer-design they can actually make some headway with it. As long as they can get their IPC within about 25% of Intel's they should be competitive, especially if they have 8 real cores and can continue pricing effectively. Right now the gap is just so huge... Intel CPUs are almost 50% faster per-core.

 

But considering they are also using SMT (I think) on top of having eight cores... they could actually make some really nicely priced alternatives. Imagine a six-core with something like hyper-threading at around $200-250... even if its per-core is ~20-25% slower at that price it would be pretty competitive. That would make the six-core part perform pretty similarly to an i7-3930K, which would still be a good chip if it retailed for the price of an i5 lol.

[Enderman]

We'll see... hopefully if it's not stuck on the Bulldozer-design they can actually make some headway with it. As long as they can get their IPC within about 25% of Intel's they should be competitive, especially if they have 8 real cores and can continue pricing effectively. Right now the gap is just so huge... Intel CPUs are almost 50% faster per-core.

 

But considering they are also using SMT (I think) on top of having eight cores... they could actually make some really nicely priced alternatives. Imagine a six-core with something like hyper-threading at around $200-250... even if its per-core is ~20-25% slower at that price it would be pretty competitive. That would make the six-core part perform pretty similarly to an i7-3930K, which would still be a good chip if it retailed for the price of an i5 lol.

but hopefully this increased performance doesnt make them increase the price too...

they make good budget CPUs, but it wont be much budget if they start charging $200+ to get similar performance to intel

[dizmo]

You can't get the Zen processor until the Skylake one is out anyway, so you'll be saving regardless. Just wait and see which one actually performs better.

I'm pretty sure in the year and a half it'll likely take for both processors to be out with adequate board support you'd be able to save up for both the motherboards, cpu's, RAM and case you want.

Or at least I sure hope you could...

 

IMO their single core performance will still be crap, as usual.

But hey, maybe they can increase it if they work some magic on 14nm.

It's foolish to assume things about future products that are that far out

[Enderman]

You can't get the Zen processor until the Skylake one is out anyway, so you'll be saving regardless. Just wait and see which one actually performs better.

I'm pretty sure in the year and a half it'll likely take for both processors to be out with adequate board support you'd be able to save up for both the motherboards, cpu's, RAM and case you want.

Or at least I sure hope you could...

 

It's foolish to assume things about future products that are that far out

making assumptions based on past events is fine.

in this case if they make a crap processor it wouldnt really be disappointing if you expected it to be crap, but if they do make a good processor then it would be a pleasant surprise.

 

Either way you wont get disappointed by whatever they release

[Hieb]

but hopefully this increased performance doesnt make them increase the price too...

they make good budget CPUs, but it wont be much budget if they start charging $200+ to get similar performance to intel

 

Well they'll charge as much as they can get away with.

I'm positive AMD will still cost less than Intel at what is considered to be similar parts. I mean, AMD is actually competitive in the GPU market but they still charge less than Nvidia just because they're not quite as well-regarded and have a bit of a stigma... so until they actually have a majority market share, their CPUs will still likely give you more perf per dollar (depending on the application of course)

[Hieb]

Its good to know AMD are making new desktop chips.

 

But I don't hold off upgrades and new builds unless something new (and potentially good) is set to come out within a month.

 

Because let's face it, there will always be something new in the works. We can't keep waiting forever in hope of something that will never be superseded.

 

Being a disciplined buyer is is good thing, but being overly cautious does no good.

 

absolutely

 

Last year it was "wait for Haswell-E it has DDR4", now it's "wait for Broadwell it has way better floating point performance", then it will be wait for 14nm etc.

[dizmo]

making assumptions based on past events is fine.

in this case if they make a crap processor it wouldnt really be disappointing if you expected it to be crap, but if they do make a good processor then it would be a pleasant surprise.

 

Either way you wont get disappointed by whatever they release

They're processors weren't that bad when stacked up against what was out at the time...they're just quite old and haven't had a refresh in much too long.

[dizmo]

absolutely

 

Last year it was "wait for Haswell-E it has DDR4", now it's "wait for Broadwell it has way better floating point performance", then it will be wait for 14nm etc.

I usually just wait for the 'Tock' chips. The 'Tick' one's don't really do it for me.

I'm currently waiting on Skylake and possibly NVLink. Depends how Pascal stacks up against what AMD puts out.

[jousef]

The waiting is killing me!

 

So my question is should I upgrade my case in the meantime or is it wise to just wait and save?

wait and save if you don't need the extra performance for now

[jousef]

IMO their single core performance will still be crap, as usual.

But hey, maybe they can increase it if they work some magic on 14nm.

intel new gen is using 12nm?

[stuka06]

intel new gen is using 12nm?

 

No, Broadwell and Skylake will both be using 14nm

The Dieshrink for Skylake is supposed to be 10nm and called Cannonlake

[JustCallMeVlad]

By the time this arrives 10nm cannonlake will be out

[Enflics]

When I said that it might be 14nm everybody laughed at me and tried to prove me wrong... Who is laughing now huh? 

[Hieb]

Hang on, then what about AMD's Carrizo/Excavator APUs that are supposed to be launching in 2016?

 

Nobody is gonna buy 28nm APUs that perform barely any better than the old 6800K when 14nm CPUs/APUs are on the market at a much lower cost...

[PlayModeOn]

When I said that it might be 14nm everybody laughed at me and tried to prove me wrong... Who is laughing now huh? 

No one is laughing and no one is correct every time.