Best AMD Cpu vs Intel i7 980

[Dabombinable]

They're not my screenshots obviously and I don't own a QX9775. QX9775's are LGA771 CPU's not LGA775 CPU's (however they work in lga775 boards). They are expensive on Ebay now, but there are some lga771 xeons that cost a lot less -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-shipping-Intel-Xeon-X5450-LGA-771-Socket-J-SLBBE-CPU-Processor-3-GHz-/281450676054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4187c47f56

Motherboard 50$, so for 100$ you got something that's outperforming a 8350 and a 9590 when overclocked. I agree that performance is just insane for its age, so insane that Sintezza didn't want to believe her own eyes.

 

I actual have an ebay seller still on my watch list who is selling the CPUs pre-modded already, its just the motherboard I really need.

[Faa]

I actual have an ebay seller still on my watch list who is selling the CPUs pre-modded already, its just the motherboard I really need.

You don't need any pre-modded CPU's for lga771. Premodded is to fit a lga771 CPU on a lga775 motherboard. Just get two lga771 xeons and a lga771 board.

[sgloux3470]

Except that you're not realizing 3DMark vantage is heavily multithreaded and we both agreed a 8350 will outperform a Q9550 with 8 threads. Thought we were discussing singlethreaded performance or just 4 threaded performance? Point is proven. Poor C2Q yeah, what about matching the corecount? Two QX9775's that were released in 2007 based on the Conroe architecture from 2005 on a dual socket lga771 board clocked 1.2GHz lower than a 8350 at 5.4GHz;

Still faster. So 8 threaded performance between two QX9775's > 8350 at 5.4GHz

Single threaded performance between two Q9775's or just a single QX9550 at 4GHz > 8350 at 4GHz.

Q9550's are better for gaming.

 

Q9550's retailed for $530 in 2008

FX8350 retailed for $195 in 2012

 

You're comparing $1060 against $195 of CPU.  Even if we take off $100 off the Q9550's per year, that's still $660 versus $195.  Three times the cost.

 

That's like comparing a GTX 480 to a 750Ti.  Yeah, it's older tech but it's in a completely different price bracket targeted at a completely different segment of users.  The fact that a $200 CPU can get slightly worse performance than $1060 pair of CPU's did just a few years prior is pretty fucking good.  In comparison, even a 4770K has a default cinebench score of 822.  (And that's a $500 CPU on newegg.ca)  There's a reason people say the FX8350 is a very value oriented CPU.

[79wjd]

Q9550's retailed for $530 in 2008

FX8350 retailed for $195 in 2012

 

You're comparing $1060 against $195 of CPU.  Even if we take off $100 off the Q9550's per year, that's still $660 versus $195.  Three times the cost.

 

That's like comparing a GTX 480 to a 750Ti.  Yeah, it's older tech but it's in a completely different price bracket targeted at a completely different segment of users.  The fact that a $200 CPU can get slightly worse performance than $1060 pair of CPU's did just a few years prior is pretty fucking good.  In comparison, even a 4770K has a default cinebench score of 822.  (And that's a $500 CPU on newegg.ca)  There's a reason people say the FX8350 is a very value oriented CPU.

Correction, thats like comparing an i7-980x to an i5-4690k 

[WaitForMeImOnDialUp]

You don't need any pre-modded CPU's for lga771. Premodded is to fit a lga771 CPU on a lga775 motherboard. Just get two lga771 xeons and a lga771 board.

the problem with that is they are only dimm ddr2 662 and pcie 1.0 .not exactly ideal for gaming imo. i thought about dual xeons with my e5450

 

I actual have an ebay seller still on my watch list who is selling the CPUs pre-modded already, its just the motherboard I really need.

all you gotta do to "mod" them is put on a tiny sticker adapter..its easy...but you also have to cut plactics tabs off your motherboard socket to fit them. and depending on motherboard you will have to load micro bios to get all the extended instructions and such

 

unless you're talking about running dual 771 motherboard, then you dont need mod at all

 

 

 

after owning a e5450, i say it did great for games, but bottlenecked my single 280x on games like bf4,crysis 3,far cry 3 but played all my other games just fine.

but the 8350 beats it all day. and e5450=q9650. so whoever said q9650 was better for gaming was wrong.

i speak from experience on that one.

[Dive5885]

Don't mean to throw this off topic but why can't AMD do a refresh of the FX Line and make improvements needed until the Next Gen Cpu they plan on releasing?

[79wjd]

Don't mean to throw this off topic but why can't AMD do a refresh of the FX Line and make improvements needed until the Next Gen Cpu they plan on releasing?

Well, they techncially have done that already. The 8350 is a refresh of the 8150, and the 8370E is technically a refresh of the 8350, although the three are pretty much all identical with the 8370E being exactly the same just clocked lower.

The issue is that they'd have to redesign the chip for any improvement that would be worth making, something AMD doesn't view as a worthwhile endeavor and therefore plans on just jumping right into a new performance line in 2016~ known, right now, as Zen.

[sgloux3470]

Don't mean to throw this off topic but why can't AMD do a refresh of the FX Line and make improvements needed until the Next Gen Cpu they plan on releasing?

 

Piledriver paid dividends over Bulldozer, but implementing steamroller or excavator cores isn't worth the resources.  They're better off doubling down on Zen while enjoying the refined manufacturing process of the Piledriver lineup.  

[Faa]

the problem with that is they are only dimm ddr2 662 and pcie 1.0 .not exactly ideal for gaming imo. i thought about dual xeons with my e5450

Probably. Can show oyu the difference between 667MHz & 1600MHz both at CL9, it's nothing surprising.

 

after owning a e5450, i say it did great for games, but bottlenecked my single 280x on games like bf4,crysis 3,far cry 3 but played all my other games just fine.

but the 8350 beats it all day. and e5450=q9650. so whoever said q9650 was better for gaming was wrong.

i speak from experience on that one.

 

A Q9550 gets like a 8K CPU score in 3D mark vantage at stock, check the benchmarks & Q9550 at 4GHz I included. They're getting massive performance improvements when overclocked. My Q9550 was actually making the difference between 12K GPU score and 22K GPU score stock vs overclocked at 4GHz on an unlocked 6950. 16K is just nearly equal to a stock 2500K (17K).

[Faa]

Q9550's retailed for $530 in 2008

FX8350 retailed for $195 in 2012

 

You're comparing $1060 against $195 of CPU.  Even if we take off $100 off the Q9550's per year, that's still $660 versus $195.  Three times the cost.

 

That's like comparing a GTX 480 to a 750Ti.  Yeah, it's older tech but it's in a completely different price bracket targeted at a completely different segment of users.  The fact that a $200 CPU can get slightly worse performance than $1060 pair of CPU's did just a few years prior is pretty fucking good.  In comparison, even a 4770K has a default cinebench score of 822.  (And that's a $500 CPU on newegg.ca)  There's a reason people say the FX8350 is a very value oriented CPU.

It's 7 years old thing and you use price as an excuse, their first quad cores are from 2006 orsomething. Q9550's never retailed for 530$, any reasons you're making things up again (its 280$ btw)? It was a mainstream CPU as it's missing the X like the QX9650 that CPU was from the Extreme line - the only difference is more multipliers. 

The 8350 is not a better value than the i5 and does not perform better than the i5.

Cheapest motherboard that will work flawlessly with a 8350;

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($168.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($70.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $239.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 02:35 EST-0500

A i7;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor  ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.49 @ Newegg) 

Total: $284.48

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 02:40 EST-0500

40$ more for 30% more multithreaded performance and up to 100% more FPS in games.

Cheapest motherboard that will work flawlessly with a i5;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.49 @ Newegg) 

Total: $219.48

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 02:36 EST-0500

I5 is cheaper. What about performance?

i5 clearly offers a great value. Before you were going to show up with "8350 can be overclocked to 4.8GHz". Well not with that a stock cooler and that board won't do more than 200-300MHz.

Adding a suitable board and cooler;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($168.89 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($154.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $428.87

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 02:43 EST-0500

Thats 430$ for a 10 years old CPU. AMD these days is very very very expensive while performing crap.

This is all you need to pump a 4690K to whatever the CPU's binning quality is up to;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($219.88 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.75 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $328.62

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 16:51 EST-0500

That's a lot cheaper while offering a much better gaming performance it also offers better multithreaded performance.

 

[sgloux3470]

 

It's 7 years old thing and you use price as an excuse, their first quad cores are from 2006 orsomething. Q9550's never retailed for 530$, any reasons you're making things up again (its 280$ btw)? It was a mainstream CPU as it's missing the X like the QX9650 that CPU was from the Extreme line - the only difference is more multipliers. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors

 

Scroll down to "Q9550"

 

If you're going to compare to intel, the 3570K and 3770K are what you should be comparing it to as they were the direct competing CPU's at the time of release.  The 3770K barely edged out the 8350 in most games, and often got beat in multithreading performance.  It retailed at $332.  The 3570K again matched or edged out the 8350 in games and got shredded in multithreaded performance.  It retailed for $225.  In the specific games that performed significantly better on intel, the fx8350 still provided 60 FPS gaming.  

 

 

Was 8% worth an extra $137?  On top of a motherboard swap. (Lots of phenom II boards got updates to run FX8, including my old MSI board.)  

 

I don't even have to link the tek syndicate video.  There's a shortlist of games that perform significantly better on the ivy bridge CPU's than on FX8, and I can count them on one hand.  All of them ran over 60 FPS on FX even on the minimums when tested at the time. (Strangely, alot of benchmarks starting showing much lower min framerates on FX in more recent benchmarks....in the same games.  Personally, I haven't been able to replicate this on my own hardware.)

 

 

 

I would love to see the overclocks for that Hyper212 EVO/h81M combo.  I really doubt that you can't get significantly better overclocks on higher end boards + better cooling.

[Dabombinable]

You don't need any pre-modded CPU's for lga771. Premodded is to fit a lga771 CPU on a lga775 motherboard. Just get two lga771 xeons and a lga771 board.

I'd forgotten about that (since I didn't have to actually mod the CPU).

[PlayModeOn]

Going from Intel to AMD is just a downgrade.

Going from AMD to Intel is an upgrade.

[Dabombinable]

the problem with that is they are only dimm ddr2 662 and pcie 1.0 .not exactly ideal for gaming imo. i thought about dual xeons with my e5450

 

all you gotta do to "mod" them is put on a tiny sticker adapter..its easy...but you also have to cut plactics tabs off your motherboard socket to fit them. and depending on motherboard you will have to load micro bios to get all the extended instructions and such

 

unless you're talking about running dual 771 motherboard, then you dont need mod at all

 

 

 

after owning a e5450, i say it did great for games, but bottlenecked my single 280x on games like bf4,crysis 3,far cry 3 but played all my other games just fine.

but the 8350 beats it all day. and e5450=q9650. so whoever said q9650 was better for gaming was wrong.

i speak from experience on that one.

An Xeon X5450 is the same as a Core 2 Extreme QX9775, just with a slightly lower clock speed. Why are you comparing them to non extreme CPUs :huh: . (And yes it it does great in games for its age, it managed to average just over 60fps in crysis 3 at ultra settings, which isn't a problem on a 60Hz screen, still can't get BF4 to even work on either of my rigs so results are still in the works).

[Dive5885]

Well, they techncially have done that already. The 8350 is a refresh of the 8150, and the 8370E is technically a refresh of the 8350, although the three are pretty much all identical with the 8370E being exactly the same just clocked lower.

The issue is that they'd have to redesign the chip for any improvement that would be worth making, something AMD doesn't view as a worthwhile endeavor and therefore plans on just jumping right into a new performance line in 2016~ known, right now, as Zen.

 

 

Piledriver paid dividends over Bulldozer, but implementing steamroller or excavator cores isn't worth the resources.  They're better off doubling down on Zen while enjoying the refined manufacturing process of the Piledriver lineup.  

I'm just hoping they plan on doing something in 2015 for the FX line.

 

Unless they plan on bringing out an Apu that's better than an FX Cpu.

[sgloux3470]

I'm just hoping they plan on doing something in 2015 for the FX line.

 

Unless they plan on bringing out an Apu that's better than an FX Cpu.

 

I wouldn't expect much in 2015 except hype for Zen.

 

We might see price reductions at the very least.  

[Dabombinable]

I wouldn't expect much in 2015 except hype for Zen.

 

We might see price reductions at the very least.  

If by some miracle AMD manages to release a CPU that is better in every day use and games than my i5 at a lower price point, and with power requirements cut at least by half I'd switch, considering I have one of their CPUs still operating after 23 years they will be my first choice if they can actually provide decent competition.

[PlayModeOn]

Look. We can all argue all day which CPU is superior, but at the end of the day you'll want a CPU that does all things.

An Intel i7 may be more expensive but it is superior in Single and Multi-threaded, and then you have these luxury features like less heat and power consumption.

 

Do you rather have a CPU that does well in 99% of single threaded and 99% of multi threaded applications? (good at everything)

Or a CPU that does well in 99% of multi-threaded applications but not so good at single threaded (only good at a specific thing)

 

I'd upgrade that i7 980 to whatever Intel is releasing this year. May as well get a sweet new motherboard right?

 

Choice is up to you.

[Dive5885]

I wouldn't expect much in 2015 except hype for Zen.

 

We might see price reductions at the very least.  

Maybe they might release a 6 or 8 core Apu/Athlon..

 

Jk.. I doubt they would do anything like that.

[creativename]

Yeah I'm not using this one for gaming though. More for rendering/editing. I know that the AMDs bottleneck GPUs in some games but I'm not using this for gaming. Render times/productivity is what I'm looking at. I figured a newer 8 core would be better...

Nope, in single threaded apps, the 980 will crush the 9xxx AMD FX CPUS, and in multi threaded workloads, 980 will still Crush 9xxx AMD FX CPUS.

[79wjd]

This is all you need to pump a 4690K to whatever the CPU's binning quality is up to;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($219.88 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.75 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.49 @ Newegg) 

Total: $293.12

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 02:44 EST-0500

That's a lot cheaper while offering a much better gaming performance it also offers better multithreaded performance.

I really wouldn't want to be overclocking a 4690k on that board...

The AsRock H97m Pro4 would be the cheapest board I would oc a 4690k on, and it's not much cheaper than a z97 board.

[I/O]

I really wouldn't want to be overclocking a 4690k on that board...

The AsRock H97m Pro4 would be the cheapest board I would oc a 4690k on, and it's not much cheaper than a z97 board.

Both crap boards. This one is much better value for money. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Gigabyte+Z97X-SLI&N=-1&isNodeId=1

[Profquast]

 

It blew up because we have had liars like you here.

 

 

This clearly was made up, you had no proof to provide or you would have provided it, 30% is the IPC difference between Nehalem & Vishera. I like to see a 9370 4.3GHz thing which is in terms of IPC a decade old touching a modern CPU that comes with 2 more cores & HT.

The benchmark you have seen over 50 times;

Any reasons you are making numbers by yourself up after you've seen this IPC at 2.8GHz test? That's lying.

 

I believe my comment was before anyone posted any benchmarks, and the 30% was just the number I had in my had, I didn't check it. Maybe I should have done that, but I don't have the time for it so it would mean I can't reply at all.

[79wjd]

Both crap boards. This one is much better value for money. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Gigabyte+Z97X-SLI&N=-1&isNodeId=1

The H97m Pro4 isn't actually a "crap" board by any means, it's actually pretty good, although, I would still go for a z97 board at that point...

MSI Z97 PC Mate if I had no intention of going SLI. Gigabyte Z97xSLI/MSI G55 SLI/MSI Z97s SLI if I will/or may go SLI.

[I/O]

The H97m Pro4 isn't actually a "crap" board by any means, it's actually pretty good, although, I would still go for a z97 board at that point...

MSI Z97 PC Mate if I had no intention of going SLI. Gigabyte Z97xSLI/MSI G55 SLI/MSI Z97s SLI if I will/or may go SLI.

I was just thinking about upgrade paths. The Asus Bioard is only Micro ATX, no M.2 or Sata E and lacked some heatsinks and no CFX/SLI goodness.