Panasonic CM1 - first phone with 1" camera sensor

[ShadowCaptain]

A Smarphone with the biggest camera sensor, step into the ring Panasonic CM1

 

Looks like Panasonic are set to launch the worlds first smarphone with 1" sensor. For comparisons sake the Sony RX100 uses a 20mp 1" sensor and this phone is using a similar 20mp 1" sensor from panasonic. The sensor is twice as large as that in the Lumia 1020

 

The camera also offers full manual and manual focus via the front control dial, you can control apeture, shutter speed, ISO, white balance etc. It shoots in JPEG or RAW and also records 4k Video (only 15fps though, sad, should do decent 1080p)

 

It should be a low light monster with that size sensor paired with fast f2.8 Leica glass, it should also get some nice depth of field

If this has the camera performance of the sony RX100 I will be IMPRESSED

 

As for the phone specs, it has a 2.3ghz Snapdragon 800, 2gb of ram, 16gb of storage and micro sd expandable to 128gb. The screen is 4.7" 1080p, the battery seems small though, so I am not holding out for great batery life

The phone is quite thick at 21mm though, so it is a bit of a brick compared to modern smartphones, ... is it worth it for the camera performance? I think for some yes, for others no

 

It is coming out in Germany and The UK December 1st 

 

 

Key specifications:

 

20MP 1-inch CMOS sensor

F2.8 aperture

28mm equivalent focal length

ISO 100-25,600

4K-video

Raw capture

1.1MP front camera

4.7-inch 1080p display

Android 4.4

Qualcomm Snapdragon S801 quad-core processor

2GB RAM

16GB built-in memory

microSD cards up to 128GB

2600mAh batttery

 

 

Article - Toms Hardware

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/panasonic-lumix-cm1-smart-camera,news-49304.html

Panasonic Website

http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-digital-cameras---point-and-shoot/compact-cameras/dmc-cm1.html

DP Review

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7107523787/panasonic-announces-lumix-dmc-cm1-smartphone-with-1-inch-sensor

[ShadowCaptain]

Is this a joke?

This is gonna fail harder than the Galaxy Camera.

 

Well the galaxy camera had a shit camera.....and was super bulky

[Rank]

Thickness might be an issue but there is no getting around that, and a proper cover/case will add size, with that said doesn't look bad at all. And if you are going to be taking raws you will definitely need the micro sd slot using 128gb.

[Shaqo_Wyn]

Great.. HD selfies.

[Zeke]

Srsly, 4K@15fps? Why would you even add that?

[StingBull]

A whole 1 inch, ladies.

[ShadowCaptain]

Srsly, 4K@15fps? Why would you even add that?

 

useful for grabbing 4k stills, think of it as 15fps burst mode

[ShadowCaptain]

A whole 1 inch, ladies.

 

Actually 1" sensors are not 1" in physical size....Idk either haha

 

They are measured in like tv tube radius sizes or something weird from about 50 years ago.. dont ask why, they basically measure the radius of a circle and the radius would be 1" if the sensor was a complete circle.. 

[Resonant Soul]

i really like the black and aluminium though.

[Zeke]

useful for grabbing 4k stills, think of it as 15fps burst mode

Yeah, but they say that is a 4K-video, and 15 fps is much less than industry avera...

 

...oh god.

 

Although if that does 1080p@60 that would be really neat.

[PortentousLad]

So Panasonic is finally the pirst to make a camera that a phone too?

I'd buy this in an instant, but I expect a hefty price tag...

What would make my ignore the price though would be compatibility with standard switchable lens' (what's the English word for is? Objective sounds wrong)

That 2600 battery I do not understand.

Edited:

Wait this is a phone right?

[ShadowCaptain]

Although if that does 1080p@60 that would be really neat.

 

yeah they do call it movie, though the previous go pro only did 4k 15fps, I imagine 1080p would be doable at 60fps, it seems reasonable, which would be great, 4k is still not really needed 

 

So Panasonic is finally the pirst to make a camera that a phone too?

What would make my ignore the price though would be compatibility with standard switchable lens' (what's the English word for is? Objective sounds wrong)

That 2600 battery I do not understand.

 

No samsung did it first with the galaxy camera (although the camera was a £50 point and shoot quality)

Interchangeable lenses , nah its not needed, its got a nice fast f2.8 leica lens, lenses would mean carrying extra stuff around, and it would not go in your pocket with a lens

 

I agree, the battery seems small

[Zeke]

No samsung did it first with the galaxy camera (although the camera was a £50 point and shoot quality)

Interchangeable lenses , nah its not needed, its got a nice fast f2.8 leica lens, lenses would mean carrying extra stuff around, and it would not go in your pocket with a lens

 

I agree, the battery seems small

Got any info on how much you'd have to pay for the thing?

 

nvm, TomsHardware estimates it around 900 euros.

[ShadowCaptain]

Got any info on how much you'd have to pay for the thing?

 

Around 600 euros some websites are saying, which seems reasonable. I mean the price of a high end smartphone and sony rx100 would be MUCH higher

 

This MIGHT be a game changer... only problem is.. its panasonic... but maybe Sony could make an rx100 phone

[Ruostunut kokis]

I bet it's gonna cost a lot. Could be as high cost as high-end phones while the phone itself is perhaps a little medicore. Plus it looks fugly IMO, but if the price was right, I would buy that.

 

 

Around 600 euros some websites are saying, which seems reasonable. I mean the price of a high end smartphone and sony rx100 would be MUCH higher

 

This MIGHT be a game changer... only problem is.. its panasonic... but maybe Sony could make an rx100 phone

I don't think Sony will make something similar. I mean their phone cameras are already quite good (although manual controls would be nice), but I guess they still need to sell their high-end compact cameras. Though more phones like this and it would be all better, more competition to bring the prices down and all...

[ShadowCaptain]

I don't think Sony will make something similar. I mean their phone cameras are already quite good (although manual controls would be nice), but I guess they still need to sell their high-end compact cameras. Though more phones like this and it would be all better, more competition to bring the prices down and all...

 

Yeah I think this could be an interesting space, it would 100% put the nail in the coffin on point and shoots

[Ruostunut kokis]

Yeah I think this could be an interesting space, it would 100% put the nail in the coffin on point and shoots

That, or it would make them even cheaper.

 

Not all point and shoots are bad, but a lot of them are.

[ShadowCaptain]

That, or it would make them even cheaper.

 

Not all point and shoots are bad, but a lot of them are.

 

99% are pretty meh, there are some decent compacts (Pentax MX1, Sony RX11, Canon G16 etc) but those £100 point and shot cameras are absolutely pants,

[Kevinkt]

reminds me of http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/android/SM-C1150ZKABTU

[ShadowCaptain]

reminds me of http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/android/SM-C1150ZKABTU

 

Yeah along those lines, but without the silly heavy zoom lens, and without a terrible tiny sensor (assuming this sensor is good)

[PortentousLad]

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Why would I pay >600€ for a camera that's not a DSLR?

I meant I'm down for it if it's a 300 to maybe at the very most 500€ I've already paid way to much for my m8... don't ask.

[qwertywarrior]

this actually looks nice

[Kevinkt]

Yeah along those lines, but without the silly heavy zoom lens, and without a terrible tiny sensor (assuming this sensor is good)

it says it's a 20M

[ShadowCaptain]

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Why would I pay >600€ for a camera that's not a DSLR?

I meant I'm down for it if it's a 300 to maybe at the very most 500€ I've already paid way to much for my m8... don't ask.

 

My iPhone 6 was more than that... also that is a ridiculous ting to say, there are some great small cameras that are NOT DSLRs that cost 600, sometimes carrying around a dslr is impractical

 

it says it's a 20M

megapixels are irrelevant, this sensor is 4x larger than the one in the samsung camera

[-TesseracT-]

As a phone that looks horrible. People are going to think you're walking around with a dedicated camera.