Intel Xeon

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Don't get that Xeon, get the E3-1230 V3. Also if you don't need SLI, get a B85 board.

Ya the Xeon with HT is better after I have done some research. I don't need SLI but I do need CFX. 

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Just like to add to this discussion-

Keep in mind that you can somewhat overclock xeons actually. Usually to their turbo speed or slightly higher. For example, if you have a xeon at 3.2GHz or something, and its turbo is 4.0GHz, that means you can raise its multiplier to at least 40, and can get it to run at 4GHz on all cores at the same time. They are really well binned and should have 0 problem with that. I wouldn't touch the base clock, as it could undermine the stability factor unless you are just gaming or something. 

I thought that Xeons have a locked multiplier ? I rather run all cores at full steam 24/7/365 without that boost BS.

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Ya the Xeon with HT is better after I have done some research. I don't need SLI but I do need CFX. 

Then just grab a B85 board.

 

 

I thought that Xeons have a locked multiplier ? I rather run all cores at full steam 24/7/365 without that boost BS.

Yes Xeons are locked multiplier. 

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I thought that Xeons have a locked multiplier ? I rather run all cores at full steam 24/7/365 without that boost BS.

They do. But think about it- if it turbos to 4GHz, the multiplier at least has to go to 40. They are locked to the max turbo. I've only messed overclocking with a few older xeons though.

I have heard that you can not lock all xeons to the max turbo multiplier, but you can raise it a few ticks. I dont reccomend it, but you can raise the base clock, and since xeons are well binned, you usually get decent results.

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Then just grab a B85 board.

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B-class boards are also designed for more quality, reliability and stability. If that isn't a crucial thing, that's what H81 boards are for.

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B-class boards are also designed for more quality, reliability and stability. If that isn't a crucial thing, that's what H81 boards are for.

B class is not Work Station class. Billion dollar corporations bank on Work Station class components so if it good enough for them to make them Billions of dollars it's good enough for me tho watch pron, play games, lite editing, watch YT vids, check emails etc.

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B class is not Work Station class. Billion dollar corporations bank on Work Station class components so if it good enough for them to make them Billions of dollars it's good enough for me tho watch pron, play games, lite editing, watch YT vids, check emails etc.

What does having a workstation class board have to do with any of that?

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Xeons are meant for workstations/servers so they are made to last long (cherrypicked). But you cant OC them (I think you can trough BCLK but that is not recommended). Personaly I think that Xeon E3 1231 V3 which cost as much as i5 4690k is more worth it as it is basicaly i7 without iGPU. Though you cant OC. But hyperthreading is better than few more MHz in my opinion.

 

naahh.. it can be overclocked

 

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What does having a workstation class board have to do with any of that?

I bought an Acura over a Honda.

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naahh.. it can be overclocked

Base clock OC

 

 

I bought an Acura over a Honda.

Acura doesn't make a vehicle in the class of my Honda (Odyssey).

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naahh.. it can be overclocked

My head is spinning. So much more complicated than a Phenom II Black Edition proc.

Base clock OC

Acura doesn't make a vehicle in the class of my Honda (Odyssey).

Honda is like Core i series and Acura is like Xeon. Same company but one option is just a bit more quality appointed.

[randy hutajulu]

Base clock OC

 

 

Acura doesn't make a vehicle in the class of my Honda (Odyssey).

 

naahh.. it depends on what u do with it. i have a xeon in my office and the rendering performance is FREAKING AWESOME. but on normal task it can't compete with i7 series even on running windows, u'll feel a lot faster doing anything in your PC on i7, trust me. but when it comes on rendering, that's a total different story.

[Syraz]

If the Xeon ends in a 1 then it has not Integrated graphics

if it ends in a 6 it has integrated graphics..

 

for the haswell refresh

 

Been thinking of getting a 1246 just because I honestly have no care about overclocking....yeah I might do a custom waterloop but that is just for looks

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naahh.. it depends on what u do with it. i have a xeon in my office and the rendering performance is FREAKING AWESOME. but on normal task it can't compete with i7 series even on running windows, u'll feel a lot faster doing anything in your PC on i7, trust me. but when it comes on rendering, that's a total different story.

Um I was under the impression that an SSD makes windows feel much faster than a CPU. I don't see how there would be a measurable difference running basic desktop programs on an i7 or Xeon which is an i7.

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Um I was under the impression that an SSD makes windows feel much faster than a CPU. I don't see how there would be a measurable difference running basic desktop programs on an i7 or Xeon which is an i7.

I'd have to agree there. My CPU doesn't even run at full multiplier when I use windows or web browse for the most part. Stays at like 17 or `18 max.

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I'd have to agree there. My CPU doesn't even run at full multiplier when I use windows or web browse for the most part. Stays at like 17 or `18 max.

I would say that Windows would be much faster and snappier on a Core 2 Duo with an SSD than it would be on any Intel CPU even the $2500 12 core monster. Any somewhat modern CPU is plenty fast for basic Windows use like Internet browsing, YT, Facebook, Movie, Music, Email etc an SSD is what makes things snappy.

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Um I was under the impression that an SSD makes windows feel much faster than a CPU. I don't see how there would be a measurable difference running basic desktop programs on an i7 or Xeon which is an i7.

 

it's so hard to tell. u have to try it yourself buddy. 

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it's so hard to tell. u have to try it yourself buddy. 

SSD with Xeon would be much snappier than i7 with HDD. The CPU load is so low in Windows during basic tasks that it does not even task old CPU at all.

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SSD with Xeon would be much snappier than i7 with HDD. The CPU load is so low in Windows during basic tasks that it does not even task old CPU at all.

My laptop stays at like 700 MHz when I unplug it as it has 2 GPUS to power. Even stuck at 700 Mhz I can barely tell a difference unless I'm doing something intensive

I can even watch 1080p youtube, but 1440p chokes.

[Sousuke]

There's a 4 core, no hyper threading version of the Xeon. I think it's the E3-1225.

The equivalent of the 4690k directly, if you're thinking mhz, is the E3-1275v3. Which are cheaper, but only a bit, compared to the equivalent i7 processor.

Going with the E3-1220 you were linking will result in a loss of 400mhz. If you don't care as much about the fps and such, then it's a good choice.

This kind of processor is what I'm sticking in a friends build who only uses his computer for content creation and consumption, no gaming.

 

You can use the CPU on regular motherboards, there's no need for a server grade board. It also supports non ECC memory.

 

Actually no. You're mistaken there.

 

Dear god, no. Don't even try and put those together. It's a complete waste of money.

 

I know they support non ECC Memory however Price to Performance means that its a better "Bang for buck" to get an i5 or i7 CPU Especially for gaming. 

 

Xeons are designed as Workstation/Server components which is why they are the only ones which support ECC Memory and Multi CPU Configurations (Like my Mac Pro has both ECC Memory and 2 Physical CPUs).

 

If your planning to do 3D Rendering or serious Video Editing then Go with the Xeon but only if your using ECC Memory and More than 1 Physical CPU. That configuration is the only thing that makes sense for the extra money that you will be paying.

SSD with Xeon would be much snappier than i7 with HDD. The CPU load is so low in Windows during basic tasks that it does not even task old CPU at all.

 

Yes anything with an SSD Will feel snappier Xeon, i7, Core 2 Duo HECK a fecking Pentium 4 with an SSD Will be much snappier. The thing I am trying to say is that for what you want to do a Xeon is a waste of money.

However if you have your heart set on getting a Xeon then get it, its your money and not our business to tell you how to spend it however we are just giving friendly advice that for your workloads an i5/i7 will be better in the long run and save you money.

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That board is like 300$? It makes totally no sense for any lga1150 CPU at all. Besides they're advertised for having better quality/reliability, not proven to be more reliable/stable. Nobody actually has the knowledge to compare a board pure on its components, most people are ignorant in that so motherboard manufacturers slap a ridiculous pricetag to make people think it's more reliable/stable etc. There are a bunch of overclocking boards around 200$ with VRM thats falsely advertised, they were just comparable to a 100$ board.

Get a cheaper board and you can move a 4790k in that build or perhaps even squeeze a 5820K out of it. If you're gaming, stop looking at xeons, 4690k > xeon anytime.

 

Um I was under the impression that an SSD makes windows feel much faster than a CPU. I don't see how there would be a measurable difference running basic desktop programs on an i7 or Xeon which is an i7.

SSD's will only make the difference when the CPU needs data from it or write to it. When opening a new tab in chrome, it doesn't use the SSD at all so the performance comes down to the CPU. When you're not gaming/rendering, most of the time you're only using one core and a higher clock speed will mean better singlethreaded performance which would make your OS feel more responsive.

[dizmo]

 

I know they support non ECC Memory however Price to Performance means that its a better "Bang for buck" to get an i5 or i7 CPU Especially for gaming. 

 

 

For gaming, yes absolutely. However he's stated gaming takes a back seat, and he's more into content creation.

At least that's what I got from his initial post.

 

 

SSD's will only make the difference when the CPU needs data from it or write to it. When opening a new tab in chrome, it doesn't use the SSD at all so the performance comes down to the CPU. When you're not gaming/rendering, most of the time you're only using one core and a higher clock speed will mean better singlethreaded performance which would make your OS feel more responsive.

 

What? Anything that loads, will load faster if you have an SSD. PS for example, loads a hell of a lot faster from an SSD than an HDD.

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What? Anything that loads, will load faster if you have an SSD. PS for example, loads a hell of a lot faster from an SSD than an HDD.

Yeah which is what I've been saying, it's not making the CPU itself faster. 

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 However if you have your heart set on getting a Xeon then get it, its your money and not our business to tell you how to spend it however we are just giving friendly advice that for your workloads an i5/i7 will be better in the long run and save you money.

The Xeon 1150 equivalents to the Haswell i5/i7 are cheaper. I can get a quad core Haswell Xeon with HT so basically a Haswell i7 for almost $50 less than the core i7 equivalent. Same goes for the Haswell i5.