An APU/ CPU for my needs?

[lilshatespug217]

So, I need a processor under $120. It must have the following:

 

1) At least four physical cores (no hyper-threading! NO! NO!)

 

2) Decent integrated graphics (Enough for fallout new vegas to be playable on med @ 900p. I will add a dedicated GPU eventually, but not now)

 

3) Have cheap motherboard options (That $70 dollar CPU may sound like a good deal, but since It only works with a $70 mobo... yeah, no.)

 

Any Ideas?

[Archangel1994]

1) At least four physical cores (no hyper-threading! NO! NO!)

Really want to know your logic behind this because a Dual-core with HT I3 beats the Athlon X4 860 which has 4 physical cores/modules by a significant margin.

[TheKDub]

1. You won't get a powerful quad core cpu under $120.

2. The integrated graphics will not be very good, though they may handle fallout new vegas on low/medium.

3. The price of the CPU does not have to be the same as the mobo, for example I have an i5 4690K which costs ~ $230, and a MSI Z97-G55 SLI which costs ~ $120.

 

I'd suggest getting the pentium g3258 and a msi z97 pc mate.

[FuzzyYellow]

Really want to know your logic behind this because a Dual-core with HT I3 beats the Athlon X4 860 which has 4 physical cores/modules by a significant margin.

even the pentium G3258 beats the 860k

[Archangel1994]

even the pentium G3258 beats the 860k

ONly when OC'd and I still dislike the fact that the G3258 does not have HT at least

[Jumper118]

ONly when OC'd and I still dislike the fact that the G3258 does not have HT at least

if it has more raw performance then it doesn't make a difference how many threads it has.

[Archangel1994]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4330 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($135.95 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($56.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $192.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-28 09:29 EDT-0400

 

This is by far the strongest option available without resorting to an APU. I would not go APU since the CPU part of it is a bit on the weak side and you have damn near ZERO upgrading options

[lilshatespug217]

Hyper threading is iffy as hell... I would not even think about that freakin' pentium, as it is a non-hyper threaded dual core. In 2014. Ouch.

 

And AMD integrated gfx on the a8-6600k can handle skyrim (which I believe is more demanding than new vegas) on high... I mean, I know intel integrated gfx suck, but that does not mean that the amd ones do.

 

Anyway, besides the typical "get intel because... erm... intel?" stuff, does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking about the a8-6600k.

 

@Archangel1994 That cpu is above my price range, and is a dual core. Not what I am looking for at all. (Also, as I have already said, since this will be, for the time being, running of integrated gfx, intel HD 4400 is not enough.

 

@Jumper118 Not having even the bare minimum (hyper threading) does make a difference in multi-tasking, which is why I want a quad core. (Won't just be running steam and a game. I'll also have libreoffice, firefox, and skype open, a lot of the time.)

 

Here is my current Idea for the build:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6hfqwP

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6hfqwP/by_merchant/

 

CPU: AMD A8-6600K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 

Memory: Apotop 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($65.70 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.25 @ Newegg) 

Case: Rosewill FBM-01-450P MicroATX Mini Tower Case w/450W Power Supply  ($44.99 @ Amazon) 

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer  ($14.99 @ Amazon) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($101.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $402.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-28 09:38 EDT-0400

 

Normally I would not use a case PSU, but this one has good enough reviews.

[FuzzyYellow]

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QdGkgs

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QdGkgs/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($69.66 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($48.99 @ Mwave) 

Total: $118.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-28 09:34 EDT-0400

this is waht i would get. the onboard graphics are better than a gt610 or 6450, so yeah.

[Manny Calavera]

NVM... wait for amd APU prices to fall

[DigitalHermit]

Hyper threading is iffy as hell... I would not even think about that freakin' pentium, as it is a non-hyper threaded dual core. In 2014. Ouch.

 

And AMD integrated gfx on the a8-6600k can handle skyrim (which I believe is more demanding than new vegas) on high... I mean, I know intel integrated gfx suck, but that does not mean that the amd ones do.

 

Anyway, besides the typical "get intel because... erm... intel?" stuff, does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking about the a8-6600k.

 

@Archangel1994 That cpu is above my price range, and is a dual core. Not what I am looking for at all. (Also, as I have already said, since this will be, for the time being, running of integrated gfx, intel HD 4400 is not enough.

 

Go for an A8 then... Enjoy the weak single-core performance... (And I'm saying this as an owner of an A8)... The A8-5600k can do most games at 720p high/ultra at around 45-ish fps...

[Jumper118]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bQdqBm then upgrade to an unlock i5 later

[s3ns3]

get an i3 it beats any quad core amd.in games even the 6 core.and you can get any gpu in the future it wont bottleneck . and you have upgrade path to i5/i7

 

do NOT get APU or athlon x4 because when you will want to upgrade you need to change everything. couse on FM2+ boards you are stuck with weak athlons

 

 

 I would not even think about that freakin' pentium, as it is a non-hyper threaded dual core. In 2014. Ouch.

the thing is that those cores are very fast with new architecture. 70$ yet it blows almost everything from amd gaming wise

[Archangel1994]

Hyper threading is iffy as hell... I would not even think about that freakin' pentium, as it is a non-hyper threaded dual core. In 2014. Ouch.

Performance matters more than specs

 

And AMD integrated gfx on the a8-6600k can handle skyrim (which I believe is more demanding than new vegas) on high... I mean, I know intel integrated gfx suck, but that does not mean that the amd ones do.

Meanwhile you have barely any progress to make in terms of upgrading and the A8-6600k is a bottleneck pretty quickly as you get bigger cards

 

 

@Archangel1994 That cpu is above my price range, and is a dual core. Not what I am looking for at all. (Also, as I have already said, since this will be, for the time being, running of integrated gfx, intel HD 4400 is not enough.

The stretch is only $20 for one but the motherboard that goes with it is pretty damn cheap which compensates for the slightly more expensive CPU. Also the Intel HD4400 can be enough because look

 

http://gyazo.com/9acd66640a1094dc00acc3687dc09e32

 

18 fps avg in skyrim which is significantly more demanding AND that is at 768p instead of 720p. Just because it's a true quad core does not automatically make it better. Look at the FX-8350 vs I7-4790k for example. 8 true cores vs 4 real and 4 fake. The 4790k absolutely destroys the FX-8350 without breaking a sweat.

[FuzzyYellow]

Hyper threading is iffy as hell... I would not even think about that freakin' pentium, as it is a non-hyper threaded dual core. In 2014. Ouch.

 

And AMD integrated gfx on the a8-6600k can handle skyrim (which I believe is more demanding than new vegas) on high... I mean, I know intel integrated gfx suck, but that does not mean that the amd ones do.

 

Anyway, besides the typical "get intel because... erm... intel?" stuff, does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking about the a8-6600k.

 

@Archangel1994 That cpu is above my price range, and is a dual core. Not what I am looking for at all. (Also, as I have already said, since this will be, for the time being, running of integrated gfx, intel HD 4400 is not enough.

dude, the only quad core with onboard gfx you can get for under $120 is going to be slower than the G3258 or i3. the pentium significantly beats the athlon 860k in gaming on nearly every single test. its also beats it in most multithreaded and singlethreaded (duh) benchmarks. 

 

on top of this, the 860k is not even a true quad-core. it is a "dual module with 2 integer cores per module" so not a true quad core.

 

the kaveri APUs are pretty much different versions of the 860k, so they are not going to perform any better.

 

EDIT: for got to add link http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849.html

[lilshatespug217]

Performance matters more than specs

 

Meanwhile you have barely any progress to make in terms of upgrading and the A8-6600k is a bottleneck pretty quickly as you get bigger cards

 

 

The stretch is only $20 for one but the motherboard that goes with it is pretty damn cheap which compensates for the slightly more expensive CPU. Also the Intel HD4400 can be enough because look

 

http://gyazo.com/9acd66640a1094dc00acc3687dc09e32

 

18 fps avg in skyrim which is significantly more demanding AND that is at 768p instead of 720p. Just because it's a true quad core does not automatically make it better. Look at the FX-8350 vs I7-4790k for example. 8 true cores vs 4 real and 4 fake. The 4790k absolutely destroys the FX-8350 without breaking a sweat.

People need to stop comparing the 8350 and an i7. It's absurd, as they have totally different price points. A more fair comparison would be comparing the 8350 to the i5-4460. (Which the 8350 beats in multi-thread benchmarks, which I care more about than single thread due to multi-tasking being very important to me)

[WoodenMarker]

Hyper threading is iffy as hell... I would not even think about that freakin' pentium, as it is a non-hyper threaded dual core. In 2014. Ouch.

Anyway, besides the typical "get intel because... erm... intel?" stuff, does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking about the a8-6600k.

@Jumper118 Not having even the bare minimum (hyper threading) does make a difference in multi-tasking, which is why I want a quad core. (Won't just be running steam and a game. I'll also have libreoffice, firefox, and skype open, a lot of the time.)

The G3258 runs multiple things like skype and firefox just fine. Just don't expect to game and stream with it. 

This isn't an 'Intel just because Intel' case. The G3258 looks like it would fit your needs quite well and leaves some room for an actual graphics card. 

[FuzzyYellow]

yeah, i would get the pentium, and take the money you saved and put it towards a GPU. 

[Jumper118]

People need to stop comparing the 8350 and an i7. It's absurd, as they have totally different price points. A more fair comparison would be comparing the 8350 to the i5-4460. (Which the 8350 beats in multi-thread benchmarks, which I care more about than single thread due to multi-tasking being very important to me)

i have a athlon x4 740 and a pentium and the pentium kicks the athlons arse in everything, including mutlithreaded applications. my pentium also beat pretty much all the i3's as well.

[Archangel1994]

People need to stop comparing the 8350 and an i7. It's absurd, as they have totally different price points. A more fair comparison would be comparing the 8350 to the i5-4460. (Which the 8350 beats in multi-thread benchmarks, which I care more about than single thread due to multi-tasking being very important to me)

It's about the point I'm trying to make. You said you want a true-quad core but you never give a good reason. Just as the 4790k wrecks the 8350 an I3 (fake quad) will beat an Athlon X4 860 (True quad). Also the I3 will win in everything really

[WoodenMarker]

i have a athlon x4 740 and a pentium and the pentium kicks the athlons arse in everything, including mutlithreaded applications. my pentium also beat pretty much all the i3's as well.

Try broadcasting a game stream and watch the Pentium tank. 

[harrynowl]

Used i5 3330?

[Jumper118]

Try broadcasting a game stream and watch the Pentium tank. 

if your going to do that kind of thing i would go for a higher end build though or an entire separate pc for streaming.

Used i5 3330?

that is a good call. used stuff will get you a lot more value for money at low price points. 

[FuzzyYellow]

The G3258 runs multiple things like skype and firefox just fine. Just don't expect to game and stream with it. 

This isn't an 'Intel just because Intel' case. The G3258 looks like it would fit your needs quite well and leaves some room for an actual graphics card. 

im running libreoffice,illustrator and photoshop CS2, chrome with 5 tabs,firefox with 5 tabs, spotify, and im folding on the medium preset, and it isn't even batting an eye.

[Antibull]

I had an AMD a8-3800 it is a damn nice CPU for the money. If you got some nice ram in your system go with an AMD APU.