Intel's Haswell retail chips hotter and slower than expected

[vrb747]

Apparently, Haswell retail chips run hotter and slower than pre-production samples that were provided to four British PC manufacturers.

 

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/382267/intel-haswell-hotter-and-slower-than-expected

 

 

One company said that it had overclocked pre-production chips from 3.5GHz to 4.7GHz or 4.8GHz with ease, but that "40 or 50" retail chips had been impossible to overclock beyond 4.2GHz because of the high voltages and unsafe temperatures involved.

 

[Lukiose]

Not sure what i have to say of this.. Seems like a weird occurence.

Intel wouldn't gimp themselves in the ass by releasing 'golden' pre-production samples to hype up people only to fall flat. Yet at the same time, why does this happen? Production errors?

[TechFan@ic]

This was confirmed by Tom's Hardware & Logan from Tek Syndicate, the review samples were cherry picked.
This is one of the many reasons why I prefer to take my business somewhere else.

[Lukiose]

This was confirmed by Tom's Hardware & Logan from Tek Syndicate, the review samples were cherry picked.

But... why? This seems like a foolish move to take, esp with the letdowns & backlash they'd receive afterwards

[TechFan@ic]

But... why? This seems like a foolish move to take, esp with the letdowns & backlash they'd receive afterwards

Why would anyone do something bad ? unless they thought they could get away with it .

Intel simply thought they could get away with it.

[samuel]

Awesome motherboards. Crap CPUs.... I'll go the AMD route. Shame on you Intel!

[Lukiose]

Guess it's up to AMD with their Steamroller to not disappoint now steamroll intel now.   :ph34r:

[TechFan@ic]

Guess it's up to AMD with their Steamroller to not disappoint now steamroll intel now.   :ph34r:

AMD should make a trailer for the Steamroller release, but instead of 4 dudes fighting with swords, 8 steamrollers crushing everything in front of them.

[Lukiose]

AMD should make a trailer for the Steamroller release, but instead of 4 dudes fighting with swords, 8 steamrollers crushing everything in front of them.

LOL, Excellent idea! XD Can't like it enough!

AMD needs to hire you  :P

[Legion]

Its cherrypicked Intel aren't doing themselves any favours. Shame they can get away with it to.

[samuel]

Its cherrypicked Intel aren't doing themselves any favours. Shame they can get away with it to.

How about don't buy it?

[gts250ftw]

hahaha damn i was actually gunna get a 4770k...i guess ill wait a little now...heh

 

when will the new steamroller chips be released? if anyone knows? or can speculate?

[Legion]

How about don't buy it?

 

I'm not, I never planned on it, but a few enthusiasts given out about it and not buying a product is different that a heavy fine from courts and it being public shaming. 

[samuel]

hahaha damn i was actually gunna get a 4770k...i guess ill wait a little now...heh

when will the new steamroller chips be released? if anyone knows? or can speculate?

2H 2013 most probably in december after Kaveri release. I will buy the super awesome sabertooth am3+ and cheap fx 6300 ( it' even cheaper now) and wait for 28nm. 15-20% over 8350 @ the price of 8350 will be nice.

[unidentical]

Well that's unfortunate. I'm happy to stick with my cool and efficient 3570k though.

[Sfobrien52]

This was confirmed by Tom's Hardware & Logan from Tek Syndicate, the review samples were cherry picked.

This is one of the many reasons why I prefer to take my business somewhere else.

 

I havent trusted Tek Syndicate since the video they made showing "benchmarks" where the FX-8350 doubled the performance of the i5-3570k. (Dont get me wrong the 8350 is an awesome processor, just not double the processor the 3570k is. That kind of result is well into the bull range)

 

I would hold out a couple months so all the first users of Haswell can start reporting in and not just first look benchmarks and "anonymous pc manufacturers"

 

If this is true, it will come out in a more confirmed manner very soon

[samuel]

I havent trusted Tek Syndicate since the video they made showing "benchmarks" where the FX-8350 doubled the performance of the i5-3570k. (Dont get me wrong the 8350 is an awesome processor, just not double the processor the 3570k is. That kind of result is well into the bull range)

 

I would hold out a couple months so all the first users of Haswell can start reporting in and not just first look benchmarks and "anonymous pc manufacturers"

 

If this is true, it will come out in a more confirmed manner very soon

I don't think Logan said that....

[gts250ftw]

2H 2013 most probably in december after Kaveri release. I will buy the super awesome sabertooth am3+ and cheap fx 6300 ( it' even cheaper now) and wait for 28nm. 15-20% over 8350 @ the price of 8350 will be nice.

so will amd's next gen cpus be socket am3+? or will they go to am4? ik its the same physical socket but there are changes in the bios i think

[codytappen]

I don't think Logan said that....

He didn't. Quote Sfobrien52 so your comment can be seen, otherwise he might not get to know the truth.

so will amd's next gen cpus be socket am3+? or will they go to am4? ik its the same physical socket but there are changes in the bios i think

Link to a thread answering that question in mind: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/23595-what-socket-will-amd-steamroller-be/#entry299020

[samuel]

so will amd's next gen cpus be socket am3+? or will they go to am4? ik its the same physical socket but there are changes in the bios i think

Most certainly will be compatible. Maybe there wolud be the 1000FX chipset with pci-e 3.0 but nothing exceptional. Even Escavater should be compatible (AMD said that future cpus will remain compatible before a strong apu+cpu unified socke will be released ).

[Levent]

im so glad that i didn't upgraded to haswell im just going to invest in to good 1155 mobo and delid my 3570k

[That Norwegian Guy]

Heh, glad I'm not building on the Haswell platform. In reality, does this make Haswell worse than Ivy overall?

[samuel]

im so glad that i didn't upgraded to haswell im just going to invest in to good 1155 mobo and delid my 3570k

Bad order. Delid the cpu first! :D

[unidentical]

Heh, glad I'm not building on the Haswell platform. In reality, does this make Haswell worse than Ivy overall?

Probably puts it on par.

 

Haswell I believe is clock for clock 10% faster than Ivy, so basically if you can get your i7 4770k to 4.4GHz, that's more or less equivalent to a 3770k at 4.8GHz.

[rashdanml]

Wonder how much of this holds for the mobile processors. Probably not as much -shrug- won't know until more Haswell laptops are out.