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so yeah, why does this term even exist? if i am spending over 1k,hell even 850 EUR/dollars on a new gaming computer what am I supposed to buy? the fx 8350? woah, a dead socketed CPU, great.

yeah the socket might be old but the 8 (real) core cpu not like intel's i7 having only 4 is way better for multi core apps that dont benefit from hyperthreading......

and the APU is actually a really amazing deal for a sub 600usd gaming pc WITHOUT a gpu.....

And no i am not a AMD or a Intel fanboy.....every brand has its pluses and minuses

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Theres no reason to buy AMD platform and cpu at this point in time.Thats what he tries to say that nowdays "intel fanboy" slang/term used on internet is invalid theres no other option.

At best case scenario AMD will release new desktop mid-end 2015 until then intel for anything with work/gaming in mind.

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yeah the socket might be old but the 8 (real) core cpu not like intel's i7 having only 4 is way better for multi core apps that dont benefit from hyperthreading......

and the APU is actually a really amazing deal for a sub 600usd gaming pc WITHOUT a gpu.....

And no i am not a AMD or a Intel fanboy.....every brand has its pluses and minuses

Not 8 physical cores... 8 logic cores 

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so yeah, why does this term even exist? if i am spending over 1k,hell even 850 EUR/dollars on a new gaming computer what am I supposed to buy? the fx 8350? woah, a dead socketed CPU, great.

Why are you speaking of a last gen cpu there is still the 9590 and such? But yes it's dead socketed now after a couple years...

 

 

Theres no reason to buy AMD platform and cpu at this point in time.Thats what he tries to say that nowdays "intel fanboy" slang/term used on internet is invalid theres no other option.

At best case scenario AMD will release new desktop mid-end 2015 until then intel for anything with work/gaming in mind.

The apu line up crushes most low end intels .-. and I mean crushes

AMD chips are very good at video editting to an 8350 in most editting scenarios is on par with an i5 and some programs are designed for more physical cores and don't use hyper threading so theres dozens of reasons togo intel still, and gaming wise the majority of games don't use a full i7 

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im talking about higher end builds, if you read the post that i didnt phrase correctly. i meant that in higher end builds there is just no competition... (at low budgets amd crushes intel and at mid range it is back and forth) and yet there are still people calling other people intel fanboys?

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I don't get why there is even debate, it's not like there is a shortage of test bench reviews covering everything from artificial loads to game play to rendering to archiving.  I mean the results are there to look at, it's not exactly subjective. Either a cpu works for a given requirement or it doesn't. Choose whatever is the cheapest that fits the requirement at the time. End of story. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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The apu line up crushes most low end intels .-. and I mean crushes

AMD chips are very good at video editting to an 8350 in most editting scenarios is on par with an i5 and some programs are designed for more physical cores and don't use hyper threading so theres dozens of reasons togo intel still, and gaming wise the majority of games don't use a full i7 

Friend you showed me APU gaming benchmarks video,only retards game on integrated graphics period.Not even my gtx 670 with 2gb GDDR5 is enough in some games i have turn some stuff down.And as ive probably said b4 no one buy i5/i7 to use its integrated graphics,that iGPU is forced on us who bought intel,no one wants it period.

And about work stuff i meant like real work not just some hobbyist  doing video gameplays and stuff,if you really are an like an artist and stuff in photoshop/aftereffects you would benefit greatly by i5/i7's and good dedicated gpu.

All the processors and entry level i3's/ apu can encode and all that stuff,this is a matter of speed/fluid/fast processing.

APU are great for multimedia,HTPC and such the whole problem is AMD doesnt offer any high end and ethusiast grade platform/CPU's anymore.Yes you can still find a 8350 pretty cheap and does everything intel does and decent gaming,but even my i5 4570 beats it most of the tasks while using 1/3rd of the power on a new platform with PCI-Express 3.0 etc for the same price.

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im talking about higher end builds, if you read the post that i didnt phrase correctly. i meant that in higher end builds there is just no competition... (at low budgets amd crushes intel and at mid range it is back and forth) and yet there are still people calling other people intel fanboys?

Only place where intel wins is high end but quite frankly your original post with the numbers is off what person buying a 1k build is spending 1/2 his budget on an i7 cause 70% of the time anything weaker than an i7 isn't worth it compared to an AMD chip .-. and i7s are not necessary  for gaming they are made for video editting and other more "workstation" related tasks ... And your original comment about Deadsocket its worse with intel cause you have to worry about a socket change that can happen at anytime plus chipset changes... Also since when does owning 1/3rd of the market classify blind followers to not be called fanboys? A fan boy is a fanboy... even if he's an "elitest snob" of a fanboy.  xD that being said I was just buying an Intel cpu myself...

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Spending more than about $200 on a CPU for gaming is pointless, unless you need the extra features or capabilities for other productive tasks. Otherwise you're just throwing money away to diminishing returns. That being said, AMD does offer competitive CPUs for gaming at various price points.

 

Talking about high-end gaming specifically, I still see no reason to spend more than about $200-240 and the i5's are still the kings of gaming CPUs (overall). The FX-8350 holds it's own just fine in gaming but should be more directly compared to the lower-end i5's ($180 range) where, unfortunately the FX is still out-performed in most scenarios, albeit not by much though.

 

The FX-9370 is a strong performer and competes more closely with the mid-high-end i5's. Power consumption aside, I consider it a valid candidate for a high-end gaming build ($1200-1500+). 

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so yeah, why does this term even exist? if i am spending over 1k,hell even 850 EUR/dollars on a new gaming computer what am I supposed to buy? the fx 8350? woah, a dead socketed CPU, great.

 

 

intel core i5 4670k would be a great choice right :)

 

i don't like amd cpus, they are cheaper, power consumable, overheat beyond your imagination! b-but..

 

 

yeah the socket might be old but the 8 (real) core cpu not like intel's i7 having only 4 is way better for multi core apps that dont benefit from hyperthreading......

and the APU is actually a really amazing deal for a sub 600usd gaming pc WITHOUT a gpu.....

And no i am not a AMD or a Intel fanboy.....every brand has its pluses and minuses

 

 

Theres no reason to buy AMD platform and cpu at this point in time.Thats what he tries to say that nowdays "intel fanboy" slang/term used on internet is invalid theres no other option.

At best case scenario AMD will release new desktop mid-end 2015 until then intel for anything with work/gaming in mind.

You guys never owned an AMD FX chip...i'd suggest you save some bucks and order yourself a cheap FX-8320 and overclock it and see for yourself! that's all i have to say...

AMD bellow 200$ CPU's do performs better than anything intel has to offer at this price point. The FX 8 core is an awesome multi-threader and for the price one pay for this it's very hard to argue that it's the best bang for the bucks, the FX-8320 is competing against the core i3's in pricing but deliver a fair battle to the core i5-4460 in most games once clocked properly for much less $. (tested this myself) In multi-threaded workloads (editing, encoding, modeling) the AMD FX totaly beat the core i5.

I can tell you i did tested both platforms A LOT i used to run an FX 8 core for gaming in the last 5 months and play games really well, now i can test intel i5 at different clockspeed by disabling hyper-threading and changing multiplier on my i7 and see how much better a more expensive CPU like a core i5 do in games, and i can tell you guys, for most games, not much.. intel is quicker at single-threaded or dual-threaded workloads wich many games still uses as of today, yes...but the FX is no sloutch and will be best match with lower high-end GPU's like the R9 280X or GTX 770 for example, to do a killer budget rig.

If you take away my PC and give me the chance to choose between say

-core i5-4460 + GTX 760 or R9 280

-FX-8320 + GTX 770 or R9 280x <----- i pick this one ALL DAY LONG for gaming.

 

Why? 95% of the games out there are GPU limited ALL THE TIME no matter what CPU you get it won't make any difference the GPU is pretty much ALWAYS the limiting factor so for budget conscious builds it totaly makes sence for most users (as long as they are not online MMO's die hard fans of course) to put less money on a CPU to allow for a better GPU.

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 If you take away my PC and give me the chance to choose between say

-core i5-4460 + GTX 760 or R9 280

-FX-8320 + GTX 770 or R9 280x <----- i pick this one ALL DAY LONG for gaming.

I'd agree up until this part.

 

 
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As they're extremely close in price, so you wouldn't need to drop to the 760/280 :)

 

I tried to keep it fair and use decent boards for both, 4 RAM slots plenty of SATA6 etc. I guess you could drop to the stock FX cooler, but FX really shines when overclocked and most people don't like jet engine sounds. If it were me it'd be a tough call as I like overclocking things.

 

Other than that very good points :)

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I'd agree up until this part.

 

As they're extremely close in price, so you wouldn't need to drop to the 760/280 :)

 

I tried to keep it fair and use decent boards for both, 4 RAM slots plenty of SATA6 etc. I guess you could drop to the stock FX cooler, but FX really shines when overclocked and most people don't like jet engine sounds. If it were me it'd be a tough call as I like overclocking things.

 

Other than that very good points :)

ok fair enough, but still the FX is a good offering and will still perform better than the i5-4460 in MANY scenarios with a proper overclocking kit like the one you suggested... i5 prices have dropped and the motherboards are better priced than ever making it an excellent choice for gaming...no denying that either.

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ok fair enough, but still the FX is a good offering and will still perform better than the i5-4460 in MANY scenarios with a proper overclocking kit like the one you suggested... i5 prices have dropped and the motherboards are better priced than ever making it an excellent choice for gaming...no denying that either.

Yep. I kind of just have OCD for the right information :D

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And again a topic full of crap fanboyism :D

 

FX8350 or i5/i7 are all good choices depending on the games you play, and tasks you doing.

So please stfu lol :P

 

Yep. I kind of just have OCD for the right information :D

I just wanted to draw a clear line between fact and fanboyism, the AMD CPU's are not ''Super hot inneficient uncapable chips'' at all like many on this forums seems to think, the cores aren't as fast as intel but still in games it can process the instructions fast enough most of the time to deliver very good results for the price, they do sometimes bottleneck higher end graphics solutions, i think the core i5-4460 or i5-3570 are the competing intel chips and with current pricings it's king of pick the one that serves you the best (more multi-thread performance vs more single-thread performance) and call it a day.

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this thread is so useless (i guess my reply wont make things better...but whatever)

i totaly agree, but i hate when people create threads full of miss-conseption after that other unexperienced users give it a quick read and forge themselves an opinion based on unheard of falsified facts, that i hate.

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And again a topic full of crap fanboyism :D

FX8350 or i5/i7 are all good choices depending on the games you play, and tasks you doing.

So please stfu lol :P

I see you nearly in every thread criticizing people for fanboyism when you kinda denied any benchmark that showed a huge difference, ignoring the fact that there arent any games taking full advantage of 8350's which is apparently a good alternative for the i5, Intel is only better in 5-6 games (crappy optimized) and complety overestimating them. 

8350's shouldn't be recommended/bought, there's no game that really needs it and it barely does better than a phenom x6 in BF4

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i totaly agree, but i hate when people create threads full of miss-conseption after that other unexperienced users give it a quick read and forge themselves an opinion based on unheard of falsified facts, that i hate.

the op did not even try to make a proper thread 

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 You guys never owned an AMD FX chip...i'd suggest you save some bucks and order yourself a cheap FX-8320 and overclock it and see for yourself! that's all i have to say...

 

Sorry but I am in the middle of getting a Intel machine (i7 4790K) currently .
And I was trying to defend AMD.
And yes I have never owned a AMD CPU based PC.

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Whatever...

cpus aren't AMD's focus right now.

"Wake me up when the new FX series comes "

 

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