2080ti upgrade...again?

[Chaos Network]

Last month i posted on here considering the 5060ti as an upgrade. Clearly not a good option. And I have always wanted to stick with nvidia cards specifically due to the nvenc encoder in them. I play, stream and record in 1080p, usually 2-3 encodes at the same time. my 2080ti keeps up with that, though it struggles in most games to get over 100fps if im streaming/recording or not, which sucks because i have a 144hz monitor thats just not being used. I run 3 1080p monitors, the rest of my specs are in an image below. yea i know i should be running dual channel ram, but im running 4x8gb @ 3200mhz which has one of my kits slightly underclocked as its rated at 3600, i havent really messed with trying to get the system stable at 3600, dont really think its worth the work for the minimal performance increase it would get me.

 

but After a month of thinking on it, I THINK i have decided im not locked down to nvidia cards. That said, I am STRONGLY considering either a 7900xtx or 9070xt. both can be had for $899-1099 on amazon so i dont know which, and will need to do some more research. (please give me your thoughts)

 

As for settings at 1080p, I run 3 monitors at 1080p, so i think theres a bit of a performance hit there, i run fullscreen borderless in 99% of the games that i play that allow it, so theres a bit of a hit there. But lets take COD for example: I struggle to hit 100 fps weather i am at low settings or med-high settings, and it also doesnt really change more than like 5fps if i am streaming/recording or now. I recently upgraded to my 5800x from a 3600x and that also didnt really change anything.

 

The main thing im wondering here, is if you may have any suggestions on why my fps struggles so much, and also which gpu you would recommend upgrading to with my use case.

[PDifolco]

9070XT is still way scalped over MSRP, if you want more raw powaaa (and VRAM!) get a 7900XTX for not much more  

It has good AV1 encoding

https://www.techspot.com/news/96945-amd-radeon-rx-7900-av1-encoder-almost-par.html*

 

[Chaos Network]

2 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

9070XT is still way scalped over MSRP, if you want more raw powaaa (and VRAM!) get a 7900XTX for not much more  

It has good AV1 encoding

https://www.techspot.com/news/96945-amd-radeon-rx-7900-av1-encoder-almost-par.html*

 

thats more or less what i was thinking, though i am definitely concerned on the encoding thing. How does AV1 handle multiple encodes at the same time(as i said in my post, i usually run 2-3 separate encodes at the same time)? Do youtube & twitch both support AV1? I have ONLY ever used NVENC encoding so i dont have a single clue when it comes to av1

[thekingofmonks]

11 minutes ago, Chaos Network said:

But lets take COD for example: I struggle to hit 100 fps weather i am at low settings or med-high settings, and it also doesnt really change more than like 5fps if i am streaming/recording or now. I recently upgraded to my 5800x from a 3600x and that also didnt really change anything.

Which COD is that? BO6?

Are you usually limited by the CPU or GPU?

 

I'll guess GPU, in which case you'll want to upgrade both.

[Blue4130]

14 minutes ago, Chaos Network said:

 yea i know i should be running dual channel ram, but im running 4x8gb @ 3200mhz

You are running dual channel.

[Chaos Network]

1 minute ago, thekingofmonks said:

Which COD is that? BO6?

Are you usually limited by the CPU or GPU?

 

I'll guess GPU, in which case you'll want to upgrade both.

I play a bit of WZ (bo6) but mainly DMZ (mw2 2022). Have ran it with task manager open on one of my other monitors, and nothing is ever being utilized over 80% even when im recording & streaming. I actually just last month upgraded to this 5800x from a 3600x, so id rather not upgrade that at this time.

[Chaos Network]

1 minute ago, Blue4130 said:

You are running dual channel.

what? i have 4 sticks in. 2 different kits, all clocked at 3200 when one of the kits is supposed to be at 3600. i kinda just assumed im running quad channel because i have 4 sticks, and not even 2 matching kits.

[Blue4130]

Just now, Chaos Network said:

what? i have 4 sticks in. 2 different kits, all clocked at 3200 when one of the kits is supposed to be at 3600. i kinda just assumed im running quad channel because i have 4 sticks, and not even 2 matching kits.

No, 4 sticks on a consumer board is still just dual channel. 2 sticks for each channel. If you want quad channel, you need to go up to enterprise cpus like xeon or threadripper/epyc. Yu can even see it in your screenshot."Mode - dual channel"

[thekingofmonks]

You're running 3 displays, encoding and gaming, all three at once on a 2080Ti... So yeah it is going to take a serious toll on performance. Plus you're playing some GPU-heavy titles.

 

(I seriously doubt that the GPU isn't being utilized beyond 80%)

[SquirrelChunk]

High refresh is governed more so by CPU than GPU.  So I'm guess you're hitting your CPU limit.  To TEMPORARILY test this.  Reduce all the graphical settings (including resolution.  Achieve this by setting something like Performance mode on DLSS and setting the native res to something even more stupid like 720p) What this will do is take ALL strain off the GPU (again this is only for TESTING) and it will show you the absolute highest FPS your CPU can push through to your GPU to draw

[Chaos Network]

5 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

No, 4 sticks on a consumer board is still just dual channel. 2 sticks for each channel. If you want quad channel, you need to go up to enterprise cpus like xeon or threadripper/epyc. Yu can even see it in your screenshot."Mode - dual channel"

huh, the more ya know i guess

[Chaos Network]

5 minutes ago, thekingofmonks said:

You're running 3 displays, encoding and gaming, all three at once on a 2080Ti... So yeah it is going to take a serious toll on performance. Plus you're playing some GPU-heavy titles.

 

(I seriously doubt that the GPU isn't being utilized beyond 80%)

if it is, its not reporting it in task manager. I notice no real change (less than 5-10fps drop) when i start streaming & recording. I also only get about 5-10 extra fps when i run only 2 monitors instead of 3.

[Chaos Network]

7 minutes ago, SquirrelChunk said:

High refresh is governed more so by CPU than GPU.  So I'm guess you're hitting your CPU limit.  To TEMPORARILY test this.  Reduce all the graphical settings (including resolution.  Achieve this by setting something like Performance mode on DLSS and setting the native res to something even more stupid like 720p) What this will do is take ALL strain off the GPU (again this is only for TESTING) and it will show you the absolute highest FPS your CPU can push through to your GPU to draw

i will give this a shot tonight when i hop on but the only thing i will be changing is the resolution and switching from fidelity cas to dlss. i already run the game on like bare minimum settings, only thing i have cranked is the spot light shadow cache

[Dedayog]

7900xtx.

[Chaos Network]

11 minutes ago, thekingofmonks said:

You're running 3 displays, encoding and gaming, all three at once on a 2080Ti... So yeah it is going to take a serious toll on performance. Plus you're playing some GPU-heavy titles.

 

(I seriously doubt that the GPU isn't being utilized beyond 80%)

my fps also doesnt really change more than 5fps if i go from bare minimum settings (what i usually run) to high-ultra settings, which at 1080p almost makes me think its a cpu bottleneck here, not a gpu bottleneck

[thekingofmonks]

6 minutes ago, Chaos Network said:

if it is, its not reporting it in task manager. I notice no real change (less than 5-10fps drop) when i start streaming & recording. I also only get about 5-10 extra fps when i run only 2 monitors instead of 3.

Taskman isn't super accurate in usage metrics. You can use HWinfo for this.

 

If you struggle to get 100 fps, you'd get 120 fps best-case.

 

Just now, Chaos Network said:

my fps also doesnt really change more than 5fps if i go from bare minimum settings (what i usually run) to high-ultra settings, which at 1080p almost makes me think its a cpu bottleneck here, not a gpu bottleneck

It is a CPU bottleneck AND the GPU is too weak to multitask without performing so poorly. Hence why I recommended upgrading both.

[GuiltySpark_]

37 minutes ago, Chaos Network said:

The main thing im wondering here, is if you may have any suggestions on why my fps struggles so much?

It may suck, but for useful help we'd need to see stats. 

 

If I was having this problem, the first thing I would do (of many) would be to just get my eyes on the basics. Now, personally I have these stats available at all times on a second display so this is as simple as looking to my right but in lieu of that, you can utilize the Nvidia overlay to show you the basics. Usages, clockspeeds, power, temps  (Enabled/Disabled with Alt-R, layout and color with Alt-Z)

 

 

I'd want to know what's limiting me. Is my GPU running at its maximum clocks, expected peak power draw, not overheating and 98%+ usage? 

 

The GPU being fully utilized is best case scenario, we have ways to help with that but 1080p is a pretty low resolution these days so I'd hope that's not the issue.

 

If you're down to run secondary software and not use the Nvidia overlay, I suggest Intel PresentMon and its simple to use overlay. Just launch it then get into a game, all the necessary stats will be there. The GPU Busy/Frametime graph is especially useful for identifying CPU/subsystem bottlenecks that might be preventing the GPU from running at its maximum potential. 

 

Could go on and on but identifying the problem is only going to happen with data and if you don't know how to interpret the data, then you'll need to find a way to clearly get that data to us. 

 

HWiNFO running and setup to log to a file can also be used. We have things like Simple Log viewer to make those logs into visual graphs.

 

[strange13930]

24 minutes ago, Chaos Network said:

i will give this a shot tonight when i hop on but the only thing i will be changing is the resolution and switching from fidelity cas to dlss. i already run the game on like bare minimum settings, only thing i have cranked is the spot light shadow cache

you could try unplugging your other two monitors and see if there's a difference in fps.

[hollyh88]

7 hours ago, Chaos Network said:

Last month i posted on here considering the 5060ti as an upgrade. Clearly not a good option. And I have always wanted to stick with nvidia cards specifically due to the nvenc encoder in them. I play, stream and record in 1080p, usually 2-3 encodes at the same time. my 2080ti keeps up with that, though it struggles in most games to get over 100fps if im streaming/recording or not, which sucks because i have a 144hz monitor thats just not being used. I run 3 1080p monitors, the rest of my specs are in an image below. yea i know i should be running dual channel ram, but im running 4x8gb @ 3200mhz which has one of my kits slightly underclocked as its rated at 3600, i havent really messed with trying to get the system stable at 3600, dont really think its worth the work for the minimal performance increase it would get me.

 

but After a month of thinking on it, I THINK i have decided im not locked down to nvidia cards. That said, I am STRONGLY considering either a 7900xtx or 9070xt. both can be had for $899-1099 on amazon so i dont know which, and will need to do some more research. (please give me your thoughts)

 

As for settings at 1080p, I run 3 monitors at 1080p, so i think theres a bit of a performance hit there, i run fullscreen borderless in 99% of the games that i play that allow it, so theres a bit of a hit there. But lets take COD for example: I struggle to hit 100 fps weather i am at low settings or med-high settings, and it also doesnt really change more than like 5fps if i am streaming/recording or now. I recently upgraded to my 5800x from a 3600x and that also didnt really change anything.

 

The main thing im wondering here, is if you may have any suggestions on why my fps struggles so much, and also which gpu you would recommend upgrading to with my use case.

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860 right now on newegg,

 

tbh i would say go with 9070xt. it has newer feature support the 7900xtx likely wont get or will run worse on it. like fsr4. Yeah it has more vram but you will stay on 1080p so you wouldnt need the vram for some time. if you want to keep up with prices to track it better simply use pcpartpicker. 

[Mark Kaine]

21 hours ago, PDifolco said:

9070XT is still way scalped over MSRP, if you want more raw powaaa (and VRAM!) get a 7900XTX for not much more  

It has good AV1 encoding

https://www.techspot.com/news/96945-amd-radeon-rx-7900-av1-encoder-almost-par.html*

 

You could just get a 9070 and flash it... Same perf, better temps!

 

I think I'll actually do this, my "new" 5070 is so underwhelming ...

 

(I mean buy a 9070, idk about actually flashing )

 

 

 

[Renegade042]

2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

You could just get a 9070 and flash it... Same perf, better temps!

 

I think I'll actually do this, my "new" 5070 is so underwhelming ...

 

 

 

 

If only Techtubers warned us of this...(/sarcasm)

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, Renegade042 said:

 

If only Techtubers warned us of this...(/sarcasm)

Well they did, but they're usually wrong, sooo... 

 

 

[SquirrelChunk]

17 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

I think I'll actually do this, my "new" 5070 is so underwhelming ...

So glad I opted for a cheaper "second hand" 4070 Super instead

[Mark Kaine]

7 minutes ago, SquirrelChunk said:

So glad I opted for a cheaper "second hand" 4070 Super instead

I still really want the iGame Vulcan (super or ti) they're like 1000 on eBay - but I would probably need a new PSU as well.