Need a gpu, cpu, ram, mobo, nvme for 500$

[aren332]

Budget (including currency): 500$

Country: United states

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: atleast 16gb ram, a good cpu + gpu combo, a fast 500gb-1tb nvme drive. I dont care about if its nvidia/intel/amd, just not an intel gpu, i dont like those I would also perfer the ram to have some sort of rgb, although not required.

Other details: I have a corsair 3000d case with 5 fans, a thermaltake gx2 600w psu, a fast 500gb samsung sata ssd, a wd 4tb hard drive, an arctic freezer ii 280 (which i can sell for $50 profit for more money), and a thermalright single tower cooler with 2x arctic p12 fans. Both cpu coolers are compatible with am4, lga 1700, lga 1200, lga 115x, i dont know about am5 tho.

 

I had a 4790k + 2060 + 16gb ram all 3 overclocked, performance was enough for me, 16gb was also enough. Im js probably moving to a diff country soon, and ill need to future proof my pc for a few years or so without upgrades.

 

Im rather buy faster used than slower new. I rather use a b550 mobo with a slightly slower cpu than a a520 mobo with a slightly faster cpu. I am fine with sorts of modding and overclocking, im pretty expirienced. I will be running windows 10, 1080p gaming

 

Id also probably need wifi, but if having wifi costs more than 10$, then i dont need it

 

Im into pcs alot, i just dont rlly know alot about current hardware, which is the best for its price

 

Ive made a list, tell me how good it is, make it better if possible

 

some micron kit 4x8gb 2133mhz recommended to me by an enthusiast, which can hit 3600mhz with overclocking - 40$

5600x slightly used - 130$

rtx 2070 super FE used - 240$ (Ive found a non FE version for 200, a rx 6600xt for 200, but i really wanted the 2070 super FE since i had a dream about one)

ASUS PRIME B550-PLUS AC-HES used - 85$

that totals up to 495$

If i sell the aio, ill have about 55 for an ssd. but im fine with spending up to 70. Any options for a gen4 1tb nvme ssd with dram?  If not then it can be gen3

 

Also is my list I made fine to run with a 600w psu???

[Motifator]

Ok, why on earth are you selling your LF2 280? It'll legit go sale for not much money and you're LOSE the deal by going out and using that $50 towards some far more lame tower cooler. Stick to it, by any means possible.

The list you made is not only outdated but also heavily flawed. buying QUAD 2133 kit (goddamn it Clarkson don't you know usual Zen board is traced for 2 sticks only function?) and then trying to extremely overclock 2133 to 3600 is not something a true enthusiast would say. That sounds to me like a clown you should never take PC advice from.

Then you get the 5600X slightly used for $130, what kind of poor joke...

and if the two wasn't enough, a 2070 Super FE which is way outdated card.

and if I might add, an ugly used board. 

Yeah no, everything towards this build scream BAD CHOICES.

I came up with this, it went a bit over the original budget but jeez to the early build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2LFL9

Stay away from other people's old junk builds consistent of what a basically a dying platform (AM4). Sure, this build costs but I figured like why not have a beasty 2TB SSD whereas all the other 5.0's cost $150 and are much worse around 1 TB. As to GPU, nobody is holding you back 2060. Maybe clock it up and get closer to 2070 levels if you can... it's still a well workable GPU, just the Haswell is so outdated.

[BentleyOwen123]

why would he want a ssd to cost more than his cpu, on a 500 budget, not a bad list, but keep that aio, and find a cheaper cpu, the 5600x is worth 100 on the high end, but you should be able to find it for cheaper, and then use that to get a crucial p3 plus for 70

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, aren332 said:

some micron kit 4x8gb 2133mhz recommended to me by an enthusiast, which can hit 3600mhz with overclocking - 40$

micron?

can be a plethora of ics but d9vpp is the most common one youll find which is a low binned rev e capable of somewhere around 4400-4600

 

some other good options are 4gbit samsung e/d die m378a1g43eb1/db0 (avoid tb0), 4gb hynix hma41gu6afr8n which seems to be the only 4gbit hynix makes, 8gbit samsung d die m378a1k43db2, and 8gbit hynix cjr/djr hma81gu6djr8n

 

i would reccomend 2x16 instead unless you run a 300 or 400 series asrock board which are t top and clock 4 stick better, theres hma82gu6cjr/djr8n for double sided hynix 8gbit cjr/djr 16gb sticks and m378a2k43db1 for double sided samsung 8gbit d die 16gb sticks, but if you cant find em then no big deal as most boards should be able to do 3800 ish 4 stick unless it happens to be particularly weak like msi 300 and 400 boards

 

and dont worry about overclocking being a pain there should be many references online especially for micron rev e, samsung d die, hynix cjr/djr as those are pretty common ics and we arent working with high freq (>4400), so you just have to find an oc profile to plug in and you might not even have to do any adjustments to get it stable

 

2 hours ago, aren332 said:

5600x slightly used - 130$

look for a cheaper one on somewhere like fb marketplace, last time i checked us fb marketplace theres a bunch of 5600(x) around the 70-90$ mark, and no the crappy wraith stealth is not worth even an extra 10$ as theres coolers like the se 214 xt which will obliterate it and still cost abit less than 20$

 

otherwise id reccomend going for either a new 5500 if you cnnt find a decently priced used 5600(x) but can get a cheaper used b3/450 (not asrock) around the 50$ mark (usually youll find stuff like pro4, tomahawk, etc.) and a good 2 stick kit to run at 4400-4600+

 

or go intel and get a 12600kf for 25$ extra over the 5600x but will also destroy the 5700x/5800x in single and multicore, heres a cheap new board if you cant find any used z boards or even b boards for a decent price

 

id prefer the latter since it doesnt force you to run your rams at 4600+ if you want decent performance and you can even settle at only 3600 if you want (though imc should be capable of 4000-4200 gear 1)

 

2 hours ago, aren332 said:

rtx 2070 super FE used - 240$ (Ive found a non FE version for 200, a rx 6600xt for 200, but i really wanted the 2070 super FE since i had a dream about one)

has a buncha gpus benchmarked and the 2070s is in there and it does seem to hold up against a 6600xt

 

though look for a used 6700xt instead as theyre probably not much more than that 2070s but will crush it in performanfe not to mention extra vram

 

2 hours ago, aren332 said:

ASUS PRIME B550-PLUS AC-HES used - 85$

look for cheaper used b3/450 boards like the tomahawk and equivalent usually around 50$

 

if you cant find any for that cheap or you cant find a cheap used 5600(x) then youd wanna try looking for a used b or z board which should get you a better board than new for the same price or less, maybe even a used 12600k(f) but i doubt youll find any 12600k(f) that are much below new pricing

 

and id ditch am4 if you cant get much of a gpu upgrade out of going am4 instead of lga 1700 with a 12600kf, might be worth going am4 if you manage to get a used 3080 instead of a used 2070s/6700xt going lga 1700

 

2 hours ago, aren332 said:

If i sell the aio, ill have about 55 for an ssd. but im fine with spending up to 70. Any options for a gen4 1tb nvme ssd with dram?  If not then it can be gen3

stick with the aio

 

mushkin tempest at 57$ since the cheapest high end dram gen4 is an m480 pro at 69$ (nice) and at that point you might aswell spend an extra 40$ and get a 2tb m482 which is currently the best value 2tb on pcpp, and no you dont save much going for the tempest at 2tb over the m482 (6$)

 

if your sata ssd isnt full just reuse it and you can choose to add an nvme later on, might even be able to get a 2tb one instead of only a 1tb

 

1 hour ago, Motifator said:

buying QUAD 2133 kit (goddamn it Clarkson don't you know usual Zen board is traced for 2 sticks only function?) and then trying to extremely overclock 2133 to 3600 is not something a true enthusiast would say. That sounds to me like a clown you should never take PC advice from.

anyone with a basic understanding of ram overclocking would know that jedec binning doesnt mean shit

 

Spoiler

ive actually gotten the perfect example here

 

respectively a 2800c11 "stable" capable of 3100c11 max freq run limited by the ram ics (2gbit cfr) as theyre not very good at cl11 and it doesnt help that theyre double sided, binned for 1600, sticks are hmt351u6cfr8c (194% oc on max freq run, 175% oc on stable run)

 

and a 3400c11 frequency run idk where itd max out stable probably somewhere around 3200 but my best imc is probs only capable of running at 2900/2950 stable with 2 sticks like the cfr, its already at 2.3v for the freq run and last time i checked it needed somewhere around 2.1-2.2v for 2900c10 stable so im just putting 3200c11 as an estimation till i get a good enough imc that can actually run these sticks to their full potential, sticks are single sided samsung 1gbit gdie, m378b2873gb0, binned for 1333 (255% oc on currently doable max freq run, 218% oc for currently doable max stable run, can go higher with a better imc)

 

im still gonna need to test with a better imc probably gulftown i7/xeon w as those should do ~3600 on air which is what im running cause its more fun to destroy ln2 records with aircooling

 

 

so yeah jedec binning doesnt mean shit and only the ram ics matter for bare pcb jedec sticks, and for ics like bdie which are stupid inconsistent you wouldnt be buying jedec sticks cause no matter what bin theyll be trash cause theyre jedec sticks and jedec sticks are unbinned

 

same thing goes for 3200c16/3600c18 or whatever generic xmp bin as those are also unbinned but they do gain an advantage in pcb albiet they come with random ics unless you buy klevv (hynix) or crucial (micron) good luck trying to get decent ics like hynix djr or micron rev e/j

 

but for bins like 3200c14/3600c14/4000c15 those are actually binned xmps all bdie and afaik the latter 2 are pretty high bin bdie xmps so expect better bdies than on 3200c14, for binned xmps that arent bdie just look at those ludicrous 4800+ hynix djr xmps like whatever this nonsense is at 5333c20, youd buy those for ram freq records or just running ludicrous speeds on ddr4 (>5600) as djr isnt that consistent either but atleast the jedec sticks wont be trash and still do 4600+

[aren332]

5 hours ago, Motifator said:

Ok, why on earth are you selling your LF2 280? It'll legit go sale for not much money and you're LOSE the deal by going out and using that $50 towards some far more lame tower cooler. Stick to it, by any means possible.

The list you made is not only outdated but also heavily flawed. buying QUAD 2133 kit (goddamn it Clarkson don't you know usual Zen board is traced for 2 sticks only function?) and then trying to extremely overclock 2133 to 3600 is not something a true enthusiast would say. That sounds to me like a clown you should never take PC advice from.

Then you get the 5600X slightly used for $130, what kind of poor joke...

and if the two wasn't enough, a 2070 Super FE which is way outdated card.

and if I might add, an ugly used board. 

Yeah no, everything towards this build scream BAD CHOICES.

I came up with this, it went a bit over the original budget but jeez to the early build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2LFL9

Stay away from other people's old junk builds consistent of what a basically a dying platform (AM4). Sure, this build costs but I figured like why not have a beasty 2TB SSD whereas all the other 5.0's cost $150 and are much worse around 1 TB. As to GPU, nobody is holding you back 2060. Maybe clock it up and get closer to 2070 levels if you can... it's still a well workable GPU, just the Haswell is so outdated.

my budget cannot go over 500. if i sell the aio, then 550 max

my 2060 is a pretty low end model without adjust power, and it cant even overclock to 2060 super levels

I rather take a 5600x + 2070 super combo over a 7600x + overclocked 2060

 

also whats wrong with a 5600x for 130?

 

Nvme drive like 70 dollars max, 500gb is enough for me trust

 

even if am4 is dying, it still support very fast cpus such as 5950x and 5800x3d, which are absolute overkill for me in the next 5-7 years

 

How are you telling me a 2070 super is outdated, then telling me to use a 2060?

[aren332]

3 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

micron?

can be a plethora of ics but d9vpp is the most common one youll find which is a low binned rev e capable of somewhere around 4400-4600

 

some other good options are 4gbit samsung e/d die m378a1g43eb1/db0 (avoid tb0), 4gb hynix hma41gu6afr8n which seems to be the only 4gbit hynix makes, 8gbit samsung d die m378a1k43db2, and 8gbit hynix cjr/djr hma81gu6djr8n

 

i would reccomend 2x16 instead unless you run a 300 or 400 series asrock board which are t top and clock 4 stick better, theres hma82gu6cjr/djr8n for double sided hynix 8gbit cjr/djr 16gb sticks and m378a2k43db1 for double sided samsung 8gbit d die 16gb sticks, but if you cant find em then no big deal as most boards should be able to do 3800 ish 4 stick unless it happens to be particularly weak like msi 300 and 400 boards

 

and dont worry about overclocking being a pain there should be many references online especially for micron rev e, samsung d die, hynix cjr/djr as those are pretty common ics and we arent working with high freq (>4400), so you just have to find an oc profile to plug in and you might not even have to do any adjustments to get it stable

 

look for a cheaper one on somewhere like fb marketplace, last time i checked us fb marketplace theres a bunch of 5600(x) around the 70-90$ mark, and no the crappy wraith stealth is not worth even an extra 10$ as theres coolers like the se 214 xt which will obliterate it and still cost abit less than 20$

 

otherwise id reccomend going for either a new 5500 if you cnnt find a decently priced used 5600(x) but can get a cheaper used b3/450 (not asrock) around the 50$ mark (usually youll find stuff like pro4, tomahawk, etc.) and a good 2 stick kit to run at 4400-4600+

 

or go intel and get a 12600kf for 25$ extra over the 5600x but will also destroy the 5700x/5800x in single and multicore, heres a cheap new board if you cant find any used z boards or even b boards for a decent price

 

id prefer the latter since it doesnt force you to run your rams at 4600+ if you want decent performance and you can even settle at only 3600 if you want (though imc should be capable of 4000-4200 gear 1)

 

has a buncha gpus benchmarked and the 2070s is in there and it does seem to hold up against a 6600xt

 

though look for a used 6700xt instead as theyre probably not much more than that 2070s but will crush it in performanfe not to mention extra vram

 

look for cheaper used b3/450 boards like the tomahawk and equivalent usually around 50$

 

if you cant find any for that cheap or you cant find a cheap used 5600(x) then youd wanna try looking for a used b or z board which should get you a better board than new for the same price or less, maybe even a used 12600k(f) but i doubt youll find any 12600k(f) that are much below new pricing

 

and id ditch am4 if you cant get much of a gpu upgrade out of going am4 instead of lga 1700 with a 12600kf, might be worth going am4 if you manage to get a used 3080 instead of a used 2070s/6700xt going lga 1700

 

stick with the aio

 

mushkin tempest at 57$ since the cheapest high end dram gen4 is an m480 pro at 69$ (nice) and at that point you might aswell spend an extra 40$ and get a 2tb m482 which is currently the best value 2tb on pcpp, and no you dont save much going for the tempest at 2tb over the m482 (6$)

 

if your sata ssd isnt full just reuse it and you can choose to add an nvme later on, might even be able to get a 2tb one instead of only a 1tb

 

anyone with a basic understanding of ram overclocking would know that jedec binning doesnt mean shit

 

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ive actually gotten the perfect example here

 

respectively a 2800c11 "stable" capable of 3100c11 max freq run limited by the ram ics (2gbit cfr) as theyre not very good at cl11 and it doesnt help that theyre double sided, binned for 1600, sticks are hmt351u6cfr8c (194% oc on max freq run, 175% oc on stable run)

 

and a 3400c11 frequency run idk where itd max out stable probably somewhere around 3200 but my best imc is probs only capable of running at 2900/2950 stable with 2 sticks like the cfr, its already at 2.3v for the freq run and last time i checked it needed somewhere around 2.1-2.2v for 2900c10 stable so im just putting 3200c11 as an estimation till i get a good enough imc that can actually run these sticks to their full potential, sticks are single sided samsung 1gbit gdie, m378b2873gb0, binned for 1333 (255% oc on currently doable max freq run, 218% oc for currently doable max stable run, can go higher with a better imc)

 

im still gonna need to test with a better imc probably gulftown i7/xeon w as those should do ~3600 on air which is what im running cause its more fun to destroy ln2 records with aircooling

 

 

so yeah jedec binning doesnt mean shit and only the ram ics matter for bare pcb jedec sticks, and for ics like bdie which are stupid inconsistent you wouldnt be buying jedec sticks cause no matter what bin theyll be trash cause theyre jedec sticks and jedec sticks are unbinned

 

same thing goes for 3200c16/3600c18 or whatever generic xmp bin as those are also unbinned but they do gain an advantage in pcb albiet they come with random ics unless you buy klevv (hynix) or crucial (micron) good luck trying to get decent ics like hynix djr or micron rev e/j

 

but for bins like 3200c14/3600c14/4000c15 those are actually binned xmps all bdie and afaik the latter 2 are pretty high bin bdie xmps so expect better bdies than on 3200c14, for binned xmps that arent bdie just look at those ludicrous 4800+ hynix djr xmps like whatever this nonsense is at 5333c20, youd buy those for ram freq records or just running ludicrous speeds on ddr4 (>5600) as djr isnt that consistent either but atleast the jedec sticks wont be trash and still do 4600+

where tf do u find a 5600x for 70-90?? on fb marketplace its 120 minimum, same on aliexpress, its like 120

i cant even find a 5600 non X on fb marketplace, on aliexpress its 100

 

rx 6700xt is minimum 280 dollars used

 

do you have a good recommendation for a cheap but decent 32gb kit that can hit atleast 3200mhz? i barely understand what ur saying about the ram

what will i need to change to hit 3200mhz? only dram voltage, timings, and system agent/io voltage? is there something else?

 

also the b550 is 70, its 85 with shipping

[Motifator]

4 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

 

anyone with a basic understanding of ram overclocking would know that jedec binning doesnt mean shit

 

  Reveal hidden contents

ive actually gotten the perfect example here

 

so yeah jedec binning doesnt mean shit and only the ram ics matter for bare pcb jedec sticks, and for ics like bdie which are stupid inconsistent you wouldnt be buying jedec sticks cause no matter what bin theyll be trash cause theyre jedec sticks and jedec sticks are unbinned

 

Yeah good luck getting random cheapo Hynix bins from 2016 freq'd at 2133 to 3600 Mhz lmao.

Talk about bad advice... like the only old school kits from that era to hit 3600 from 2133 easily on top of my head are the og XPG Z1's with the ballsy B-Die. But those haven't been sold in ages. Living in a dream world are we?

Buy 3600 RAM, it's not like 2133 is going to hawk towards 3600 to align with the infinity fabric easily. D4 RAM is cheap and the platform is, again, on its last achielles.

Basically, if you want to hear bad advice, stick with AM4 and cheapo RAM.

Alternatively, you could get on with times and make something similar to what I've come up with. Sure the SSD is expensive but it'd actually help with the over all PC performance here and there... and the recent games, like Forza totalling 200gb what about the newer stuff? It's only a matter of time if you're a consistent gamer, which from it sounds like you are... WILL benefit from the 2 TB.

It was a mere suggestion. I'm not forcing you to buy the god level Phison 2 TB stick, but rather, giving you a wide large disk option. You're free to stick with a MP33 or similar, if you just want a 500 giger...

last but not the least, 2060 is still a good card since you already have it. That 4790K is a massive time bottleneck. It NEEDS to go for proper all-game performance, or even some everyday tasks. Keep the 2600, move on over to AM5, get a 1 TB, cheaper SSD. Later on, save up, buy big GPU and carry on...

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 minutes ago, Motifator said:

like the only old school kits from that era to hit 3600 from 2133 easily on top of my head are the og XPG Z1's with the ballsy B-Die. But those haven't been sold in ages. Living in a dream world are we?

2666 c9bjz rev e

some examples

 

heres an example for ddr5 albiet probably imc limit due to 12th gen and also just being an early review and the highest ive found with these hynix sticks is this and you can tell its the same sticks just by looking at the part number in cpuz spd tab and no xmp profiles

 

ddr3 examples are on my screenshots

 

im guessing youve never overclocked rams before if you have no clue that ram ics dictate how a ram stick overclocks? pcb is also a factor but as seen in the examples above it doesnt really matter that much

 

 

still a waste of time and money to get am4 though unless you can find cheap used ryzens or atleast cheap used b3/450 and even that is competing against the much faster 12600k(f) which is also competing with am5

 

7500f for 127$ and you can pair with a board like the b650m hdv alongside a 32gb 6000c32/30 kit, theres also the microcenter 7700x bundle at 400$ with a better cpu and mobo

[Somerandomtechyboi]

4 hours ago, aren332 said:

where tf do u find a 5600x for 70-90?? on fb marketplace its 120 minimum, same on aliexpress, its like 120

i cant even find a 5600 non X on fb marketplace, on aliexpress its 100

 

rx 6700xt is minimum 280 dollars used

 

do you have a good recommendation for a cheap but decent 32gb kit that can hit atleast 3200mhz? i barely understand what ur saying about the ram

what will i need to change to hit 3200mhz? only dram voltage, timings, and system agent/io voltage? is there something else?

 

also the b550 is 70, its 85 with shipping

i guess fb marketplace prices rose

in that case ditch am4 complete waste of money and youll still get worse performance than a 12600kf, maybe go for that microcenter bundle

 

32gb kit wise just buy the cheapest 3200c16/3600c18 bin doesnt matter what heatspreader you buy all the same random ics be it shitty samsung c die or something decent like hynix cjr/djr, you probs arent gonna save that much money going for green pcb jedec and youd only buy those for maxing out your ram performance on the cheap as tuned will always crush xmp but xmp will always be more convenient since its a 1 click no need for stresstests and gets you 80% of the way there so adeuqate perfornance wise, you might even be able to find a used bdie kit like 3200c14 or a patriot 4400c19 viper steel for a decent price

 

as for the gpu just get the 6600xt since its cheaper than the 2070s with equivalent performance, unless you can find a 5700xt for even cheaper which they usually are and have the same performance as a 6600xt

[aren332]

9 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i guess fb marketplace prices rose

in that case ditch am4 complete waste of money and youll still get worse performance than a 12600kf, maybe go for that microcenter bundle

 

32gb kit wise just buy the cheapest 3200c16/3600c18 bin doesnt matter what heatspreader you buy all the same random ics be it shitty samsung c die or something decent like hynix cjr/djr, you probs arent gonna save that much money going for green pcb jedec and youd only buy those for maxing out your ram performance on the cheap as tuned will always crush xmp but xmp will always be more convenient since its a 1 click no need for stresstests and gets you 80% of the way there so adeuqate perfornance wise, you might even be able to find a used bdie kit like 3200c14 or a patriot 4400c19 viper steel for a decent price

 

as for the gpu just get the 6600xt since its cheaper than the 2070s with equivalent performance, unless you can find a 5700xt for even cheaper which they usually are and have the same performance as a 6600xt

ive settled on a 5600x for 120, strix 2070 super for 230, teamgroup t force 2x8gb 3600mhz rgb kit for 50, asus B550-PLUS AC-HES for 85, crucial p3 plus 500gb for 50, in total for 495. Is that good?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

10 hours ago, aren332 said:

ive settled on a 5600x for 120, strix 2070 super for 230, teamgroup t force 2x8gb 3600mhz rgb kit for 50, asus B550-PLUS AC-HES for 85, crucial p3 plus 500gb for 50, in total for 495. Is that good?

ditch am4 for lga 1700 with a 12600k

ditch that overpriced slow dramless qlc p3 plus for a cheaper ssd

 

lhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/XrVZ7R

 

you can try haggling the 2070s down abit or you can go for that 6600xt and haggle that down

 

this will outperform that overpriced and outdated am4 build

[aren332]

7 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

ditch am4 for lga 1700 with a 12600k

ditch that overpriced slow dramless qlc p3 plus for a cheaper ssd

 

lhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/XrVZ7R

 

you can try haggling the 2070s down abit or you can go for that 6600xt and haggle that down

 

this will outperform that overpriced and outdated am4 build

is fanxiang a reliable ssd brand? the 2070 super is 200, its just shipping that makes it like 230, but its a strix card, overclocked itll slighlty outperform a 2080

ill consider the 12600kf instead, but i dont know

[Somerandomtechyboi]

8 minutes ago, aren332 said:

is fanxiang a reliable ssd brand? the 2070 super is 200, its just shipping that makes it like 230, but its a strix card, overclocked itll slighlty outperform a 2080

ill consider the 12600kf instead, but i dont know

ssd brand doesnt matter all the same components from the same few manufacturers like hynix micron phison etc.

 

in that case maybe you can haggle price down a little bit

 

yes go 12600kf ryzen is stupid at that price especially for just a pure 6 core thats has both worse ipc and cant even clock as high (4.8g ish allcore vs 5g+ allcore)