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How much is my Motherboard bottlenecking my CPU

Basically I've got a budget board MSI B460M PRO, it's VRM isn't the best in fact it's somewhat poor

 

I understand that my I7 10700f isn't unlocking it's full potential though I already saw big improvements in the video editing program I use, and in the low 1% in games

 

how much am I being bottlenecked is it a HUGE bottleneck comparing to a Z board or more minuscule?

 

 

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Little to none.

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7 minutes ago, LoneWanderer20 said:

Basically I've got a budget board MSI B460M PRO, it's VRM isn't the best in fact it's somewhat poor

 

I understand that my I7 10700f isn't unlocking it's full potential though I already saw big improvements in the video editing program I use, and in the low 1% in games

 

how much am I being bottlenecked is it a HUGE bottleneck comparing to a Z board or more minuscule?

 

 

Not really, the advantage of Z mobo is capability to overclock the CPU

In modern-ish CPU nowdays, overclocking CPU doesn't give much advantage anyway, unless the program/app that you use really specifically demands high frequency.

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11 minutes ago, ImWilly said:

Not really, the advantage of Z mobo is capability to overclock the CPU

In modern-ish CPU nowdays, overclocking CPU doesn't give much advantage anyway, unless the program/app that you use really specifically demands high frequency.

No I don't care about over clocking I meant how much is my Motherboard holding my CPU back

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30 minutes ago, LoneWanderer20 said:

No I don't care about over clocking I meant how much is my Motherboard holding my CPU back

What @ImWilly is attempting to say is "your motherboard isn't bottlenecking your CPU. It could only be a bottleneck if you wanted to overclock."

Motherboards don't really effect performance (excluding overclocking). More expensive boards won't make your PC faster (in any meaningful way), they'll only give it more features. If you don't need the extra features then you don't need to upgrade the motherboard.

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3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

What @ImWilly is attempting to say "your motherboard isn't bottlenecking your CPU. It could only be a bottleneck if you were overclocking."

Motherboards don't really effect performance (excluding overclocking). More expensive boards won't make your PC faster (in any meaningful way), they'll only give it more features. If you don't need the extra features then you don't need to upgrade the motherboard.

Thanks for reaching out

 

I thought that due to poor VRM it would overheat and throttle the CPU thankfully I have paired it with a decent cooler and had some ideas on how I can cool my VRM even more

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10 minutes ago, LoneWanderer20 said:

Thanks for reaching out

 

I thought that due to poor VRM it would overheat and throttle the CPU thankfully I have paired it with a decent cooler and had some ideas on how I can cool my VRM even more

I mean you can try pointing a fan at the VRMs, but your CPU and Board are from the same generation. It seems unlikely that it can't supply enough power to keep up with your CPU. You should probably also take a look at HWinfo as that might help you establish what, if anything, is limiting your CPU.

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Common build advice: 1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticably improve performance past 240mm.

 

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4 hours ago, will0hlep said:

I mean you can try pointing a fan at the VRMs, but your CPU and Board are from the same generation. It seems unlikely that it can't supply enough power to keep up with your CPU. You should probably also take a look at HWinfo as that might help you establish what, if anything, is limiting your CPU.

Yeah OP wrote "bottlenecking" but what he wants to know is if the board gives enough power and don't get super hot, limiting the CPU below its stock normal ability

And that can be seen in HWInfo indeed, compare the results to the max PPT/clocks advertised, or you can benchmarks performance charts

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