How Bad is This $10,000 PC from 10 Years Ago??

[Naveronasis]

Okay so this video and some of the comments near left me scratching my head.

 

Now I suppose some of what I'm about to say would break the point of the video but you guys didn't really achieve due diligence if you wanted to see how much performance you could get.

 

Now granted this is advanced stuff but so would be the people buying this board.

 

Run win10 for compatibility, otherwise 7 is fine. 

 

Linus was right the SSD is not the problem and bootstrapping a NVME would have taken PCIE lanes needed for GPU stuff possibly but even if it has the lanes to spare not going to improve performance on most games (looking at you rift apart)

 

But you could have limited cores, dedicated them on 1 CPU rather than letting it do whatever it wants.

 

Also should have used Nvidia inspector to test out alternative SLI modes. Companies avoided copying each other profiles and different modes (split screen, alternate frame, etc) work better or worse based on the number of cards and engine.

 

Supporting 2 way SLI with one mode doesn't mean 4way isn't better in a different mode and the number of cards is also often limited in the profile. You can do with with no programming skill. Basically a bit like regedit but easier and safer.

 

Next I would have stuck with 1080p since that was still peak for your 980s even though 1440p and 4k were out this was when the first high refresh rate monitors were also coming out in only 1080p. But a few higher res tests wouldn't have been okay but doing all 1440p with max setting, especially traditional aa (Msaa or ssaa) with only 6gb of vram is also a recipe for failure.

 

Also could have benched some CPU games like civ or factorio or whatever.

[Motifator]

9 hours ago, freeagent said:

Yes, it does not matter how fast you run in dual channel, you would never match the bandwidth that triple channel could generate. I have various sets of different style Hypers just incase I come across another X58 system that I like.

EVGA is the goat.

DFI will always win over EVGA, technically or logically.

There hasn't been a single better than at making a motherboard than DFI in the complete history of mankind.

[FuchsFuchs1]

11 hours ago, JCHelios said:

Commenters: "Windows 7? I wish Linus had used a newer operating system!"

Monkey's Paw finger contracts.

Commenters: "NOT LIKE THAT!"

to be fair i didnt understand why he didnt. I have a Mac with simular spec(i just have more ram) and it runs windows 10 fine.

[FuchsFuchs1]

11 hours ago, JCHelios said:

Commenters: "Windows 7? I wish Linus had used a newer operating system!"

Monkey's Paw finger contracts.

Commenters: "NOT LIKE THAT!"

to be fair i didnt understand why he didnt. I have a Mac with simular spec(i just have more ram) and it runs windows 10 fine.

[luckybob77]

Didn't they say it was because the 980's didn't have win10 drivers?

 

besides, win 7 was the best thing to come out of Microsoft.  it is the GOAT as the children say, and I will fight you about it.

[freeagent]

I gave up with 7 back in 2016 or so because 10 was working better with my hardware. I was still running X58 back then. 7 did bench better for most things though. 

[OhYou_]

8 hours ago, Naveronasis said:

But you could have limited cores, dedicated them on 1 CPU rather than letting it do whatever it wants.

QPI often isnt the issue, unless your OC is terribad it runs at 6-7gt/s
the stupid SLI bridge is 7.5gt/s
it is very much a non issue on this platform.
The meme comes from actual datacenter work with quad socket boards or extreme use cases.
 

8 hours ago, Naveronasis said:

Next I would have stuck with 1080p since that was still peak for your 980s even though 1440p and 4k were out

I think it just goes back to the time when this thing came out, when 2560x1600 was the king of pc gaming,and if you at the time spent 10,000us on a pc, you would have had this hooked up to that resolution almost guaranteed.

 

3 hours ago, FuchsFuchs1 said:

I have a Mac with simular spec(i just have more ram) and it runs windows 10 fine.

I have literally the sr-2 and it runs windows 10 kek
 

 

2 hours ago, luckybob77 said:

Didn't they say it was because the 980's didn't have win10 drivers

no and they do have drivers.

What I want to know is how they got the 3090ti to run because when I got my 3090, I was still on windows 8.1 and it did not have drivers, only 10 or 11 had drivers for 30 series.

[Middcore]

4 hours ago, luckybob77 said:

Didn't they say it was because the 980's didn't have win10 drivers?

The 980 ti came out in 2015, of course it has Windows 10 drivers. I think you got confused with the later discussion of Windows 7 drivers for the 3090 ti vs the 4090.

 

 

[OhYou_]

futureproof enough, 1440p epic dlss, bottlenecked by a 3090 in Palworld
Performance is the same as modern builds, maybe 5% lower than other 3090s but maybe because mine is a HP oem.

 

nmp

[Naveronasis]

On 3/18/2024 at 11:19 AM, OhYou_ said:

QPI often isnt the issue, unless your OC is terribad it runs at 6-7gt/s
the stupid SLI bridge is 7.5gt/s
it is very much a non issue on this platform.
The meme comes from actual datacenter work with quad socket boards or extreme use cases.

Has nothing to do with QPI, it has everything to do with, and especially windows 7, having issues with synchronizing games that support multithreading. So for compatibility reasons you would possibly want to limit available cores to 4 or 2 or even 1 in some rare cases depending on the game. Even games that don't crash outright there can be smoother performance. Making sure they are all on the same CPU is just an extra step that can be taken to eliminate variables.

 

 

On 3/18/2024 at 11:19 AM, OhYou_ said:

I think it just goes back to the time when this thing came out, when 2560x1600 was the king of pc gaming, and if you at the time spent 10,000us on a pc, you would have had this hooked up to that resolution almost guaranteed.

As someone who ran SLI with 2 and for a short time 3x 970's I had gone out and bought a 2560x1600 and 4k monitor at the time and it was very much an unpopular choice due to issues with 60fps limit and poor ghosting, and many (though not mine) 4k monitors having to use 2 inputs for enough bandwidth. If you were min-maxing your gaming experience it would have really come down to FPS vs PPI and so it would have depended if you were more in to civ or mmos or moba/fps. I was mostly playing strategy games, but you don't need a super expensive system most of the time since even a bad FPS rate is playable in a turn based game. 970 was keen to run out of memory at 4k and even 1440p (though yes I did have an actual 16:10 1600p monitor).

I had been running SLI in systems since the very beginning with the 7800, 280, then 480, but both my 480's died and I had a single 560 for way too long, then 970sli one card was the wrong batch so it wasn't recognized without some hacks so I bought a 3rd one, tested out 3way for a short time before sending the unpaired one back to EVGA, 1080sli but it was not very good anymore so I sold one 1080ti, I also have a 965m titan MSI SLI laptop, and in my desktop back to a single 3080ti here in 2024. 1080p was absolutely the way to go if you were trying to absolutely maximize performance with SLI. Especially since some of that hitching could be reduced at higher FPS rather than higher resolution. Yes, you could spend more money by going 4k, and if you have 10k to spend on a system you have probably more money than sense... but as an enthusiast platform, and enthusiast presumably would know how to get the most mileage out of the system. Running the 980 to its memory limits with 4x msaa at 1440p/1600p/4k isn't a good time no matter how many of them you have.

[FuchsFuchs1]

16 hours ago, OhYou_ said:

futureproof enough, 1440p epic dlss, bottlenecked by a 3090 in Palworld
Performance is the same as modern builds, maybe 5% lower than other 3090s but maybe because mine is a HP oem.

 

nmp

and this is on dual x5690?

[OhYou_]

1 hour ago, FuchsFuchs1 said:

and this is on dual x5690?

x5680s

Never figured out if 5690s were ever worth it, my 80s do 4.53ghz long enough to maybe complete a cinebench, 4.99 stable

[FuchsFuchs1]

4 minutes ago, OhYou_ said:

x5680s

Never figured out if 5690s were ever worth it, my 80s do 4.53ghz long enough to maybe complete a cinebench, 4.99 stable

i have dual x5690. but im in a mac so no overclocking...

[DaaMao]

I saw this vedio in Bilibili. I guess you also like these so I sign up and share.

That is really my dream board! My first fully assembled PC which was 1366 platform. I cann't afford SR2 when I was teenager. However, I got eliminated hardware in very low price from online second hand market : XEONs, supermicro server borads, RDIMMs.

And then, I began to modification the motherborad and overclocking !（After looked up tons of posting&info&datasheet&manual ）

Even used STM32 to adjust FSB and made "one-click overclocking".

My CPUz record for 2*X5680@4.93G https://valid.x86.fr/bg3al9 

 

BTW, I used to posting on baidu and wrote a pdf tutorial. But it's chinese, Andy can read it.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5590194452

https://pan.baidu.com/s/1NkWwVpYb8meO44l7PMYgQA#list/path=%2F

 

 

[DaaMao]

On 3/17/2024 at 6:14 AM, Pewl said:

Heyyyyyy the old SR-2 gets another showing. Unfortunate that OC was misconfigured and you didn't use a newer OS. 

 

Also did an unreasonable SR-2 build about 2 years ago. Some elbow grease to fit an SR-2 into a modern ATX case and it's a tight fit, but relatively compact for an SR-2 now.

 

Specs:

* SR-2 + 2x X5680 @ 4.3GHz OC
* 6x8GB DDR3-1860/10 @1.55v
* R9 295X2 (now a 980Ti)
* 1x 840 Evo + 1x RevoDrive 3 X2 PCIe SSD
* 360mm custom loop water cooling (D5, dual Bykski blocks)
* dual SFX PSUs SF750 + SF600

* Azza Cast 808W with modded internal frame and custom laser cut mounting plates

 

Power draw is completely nuts:

* Boot: 300-350W
* Idle: 340W
* CPU-Z Stress: 600W
* Heaven 1080p Max 8xAA: 900W
* Heaven + CPU-Z Stress: 1140W 

 

 

I should really take some nicer pictures in its final state...

Since then I've added custom screws, diffuse LED strips, all that. 

 

Super cool！My 2*X5680@4.3G reached 570W when stressed FPU. Idle: 140W, Browse the web: 220W. Even though it eqiupped with platinum power supply.（HP 1200W 1u）

[GoStormPlays]

1 hour ago, DaaMao said:

I saw this vedio in Bilibili. I guess you also like these so I sign up and share.

That is really my dream board! My first fully assembled PC which was 1366 platform. I cann't afford SR2 when I was teenager. However, I got eliminated hardware in very low price from online second hand market : XEONs, supermicro server borads, RDIMMs.

And then, I began to modification the motherborad and overclocking !（After looked up tons of posting&info&datasheet&manual ）

Even used STM32 to adjust FSB and made "one-click overclocking".

My CPUz record for 2*X5680@4.93G https://valid.x86.fr/bg3al9 

 

BTW, I used to posting on baidu and wrote a pdf tutorial. But it's chinese, Andy can read it.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5590194452

https://pan.baidu.com/s/1NkWwVpYb8meO44l7PMYgQA#list/path=%2F

 

 

DANG that's a lot of PCI-E slots

[FuchsFuchs1]

2 hours ago, DaaMao said:

I saw this vedio in Bilibili. I guess you also like these so I sign up and share.

That is really my dream board! My first fully assembled PC which was 1366 platform. I cann't afford SR2 when I was teenager. However, I got eliminated hardware in very low price from online second hand market : XEONs, supermicro server borads, RDIMMs.

And then, I began to modification the motherborad and overclocking !（After looked up tons of posting&info&datasheet&manual ）

Even used STM32 to adjust FSB and made "one-click overclocking".

My CPUz record for 2*X5680@4.93G https://valid.x86.fr/bg3al9 

 

BTW, I used to posting on baidu and wrote a pdf tutorial. But it's chinese, Andy can read it.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5590194452

https://pan.baidu.com/s/1NkWwVpYb8meO44l7PMYgQA#list/path=%2F

 

 

HOLY MOLY! That's alot of pcie and it's on my beloved Westmere-EP architecture. What motherboard is it?

[DaaMao]

6 hours ago, FuchsFuchs1 said:

HOLY MOLY! That's alot of pcie and it's on my beloved Westmere-EP architecture. What motherboard is it?

The biggest is supermicro X8DTG-QF, then is X8DAH. The long one is X8DTT which is used in  blade server.

X8DTG-QF & X8DAH have DUAL 5520 IOH. Each 5520 IOH provides 36 PCIe Lanes, so 72 PCIe Lanes on motherboard in total.

X8DTG-QF is designed for GPU workstation, as well as X9DRG-QF X10DRG-QF H12DSG-O.

Supermicro usually has pretty strong CPU power supply that able to withstand overclocking power.  

I only kept X8DTG and sold the rest to friends. Because I didn't need so many motherboards.  But they are really beautiful.

 

Here's X8DTL-6 & X8DT3-F

 

ASUS Z10PG-D24, support 8 GPUs. 

[FuchsFuchs1]

5 hours ago, DaaMao said:

The biggest is supermicro X8DTG-QF, then is X8DAH. The long one is X8DTT which is used in  blade server.

X8DTG-QF & X8DAH have DUAL 5520 IOH. Each 5520 IOH provides 36 PCIe Lanes, so 72 PCIe Lanes on motherboard in total.

X8DTG-QF is designed for GPU workstation, as well as X9DRG-QF X10DRG-QF H12DSG-O.

Supermicro usually has pretty strong CPU power supply that able to withstand overclocking power.  

I only kept X8DTG and sold the rest to friends. Because I didn't need so many motherboards.  But they are really beautiful.

 

Here's X8DTL-6 & X8DT3-F

 

ASUS Z10PG-D24, support 8 GPUs. 

its confusing wich ones are PCI and PCIe

[OhYou_]

19 hours ago, DaaMao said:

I saw this vedio in Bilibili. I guess you also like these so I sign up and share.

That is really my dream board! My first fully assembled PC which was 1366 platform. I cann't afford SR2 when I was teenager. However, I got eliminated hardware in very low price from online second hand market : XEONs, supermicro server borads, RDIMMs.

And then, I began to modification the motherborad and overclocking !（After looked up tons of posting&info&datasheet&manual ）

Even used STM32 to adjust FSB and made "one-click overclocking".

My CPUz record for 2*X5680@4.93G https://valid.x86.fr/bg3al9 

 

BTW, I used to posting on baidu and wrote a pdf tutorial. But it's chinese, Andy can read it.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5590194452

https://pan.baidu.com/s/1NkWwVpYb8meO44l7PMYgQA#list/path=%2F

 

 

this is very impressive. What were the limitations with all-core overclocking? I guess just the VRM could not take it?
Was 4.93G with single core, single thread, two cpus? or one socket, one cpu, two cores?
The 436 score is more or less what I found on mine, which is the cpus have a big diminishing return point at around 4.5ghz, I've done I think 405 score and every 50mhz past that was just more and more voltage for the same score.

My bootable record was 4.63ghz all 12 cores, 24 threads, I would have worked on it more but I unfortunately corrupted my os because the ram became unstable
I think it did run cpu-z bench at that clockspeed but it was slower than 4.53ghz
 

[deadsmiley]

On 3/16/2024 at 6:14 PM, Pewl said:

Heyyyyyy the old SR-2 gets another showing. Unfortunate that OC was misconfigured and you didn't use a newer OS. 

 

Also did an unreasonable SR-2 build about 2 years ago. Some elbow grease to fit an SR-2 into a modern ATX case and it's a tight fit, but relatively compact for an SR-2 now.

 

Specs:

* SR-2 + 2x X5680 @ 4.3GHz OC
* 6x8GB DDR3-1860/10 @1.55v
* R9 295X2 (now a 980Ti)
* 1x 840 Evo + 1x RevoDrive 3 X2 PCIe SSD
* 360mm custom loop water cooling (D5, dual Bykski blocks)
* dual SFX PSUs SF750 + SF600

* Azza Cast 808W with modded internal frame and custom laser cut mounting plates

 

Power draw is completely nuts:

* Boot: 300-350W
* Idle: 340W
* CPU-Z Stress: 600W
* Heaven 1080p Max 8xAA: 900W
* Heaven + CPU-Z Stress: 1140W 

 

 

I should really take some nicer pictures in its final state...

Since then I've added custom screws, diffuse LED strips, all that. 

 

Very NICE!

[deadsmiley]

On 3/28/2024 at 12:38 AM, DaaMao said:

The biggest is supermicro X8DTG-QF, then is X8DAH. The long one is X8DTT which is used in  blade server.

X8DTG-QF & X8DAH have DUAL 5520 IOH. Each 5520 IOH provides 36 PCIe Lanes, so 72 PCIe Lanes on motherboard in total.

X8DTG-QF is designed for GPU workstation, as well as X9DRG-QF X10DRG-QF H12DSG-O.

Supermicro usually has pretty strong CPU power supply that able to withstand overclocking power.  

I only kept X8DTG and sold the rest to friends. Because I didn't need so many motherboards.  But they are really beautiful.

 

Here's X8DTL-6 & X8DT3-F

 

ASUS Z10PG-D24, support 8 GPUs. 

I see that GTX 690.  I had a couple of them in Quad SLI and it was interesting to play around with.  Most games had severe micro stuttering, so it really wasn't great.  The 2GB VRAM per GPU wasn't great either.  I still spent a lot of hours playing around with it.  Sold both cards a few years ago on ebay while they still had value.

 

[deadsmiley]

On 3/19/2024 at 5:54 PM, OhYou_ said:

x5680s

Never figured out if 5690s were ever worth it, my 80s do 4.53ghz long enough to maybe complete a cinebench, 4.99 stable

I don't think so .  The X5690 isn't better it just has a higher multiplier and most of the overclocking comes from higher BCLK.  At least I didn't have better results with X5690.  As long as you don't run out of multiplier, these are all pretty much the same chip.  That was my experience with it. 

[Amaranth]

RIP EVGA. 

[ELseoudi Tech]

Probably in the future SLI will be back , it is a cool idea and gpus will get to a point when they wouldn't be able to be better so companies will try to merge multiple gpus into one like the old times