Investigating rad material, copper becomes brass ! :o

[Orangeator]

Last I checked I am not ingesting, frequently touching, nor drinking the liquid from my AIO. This is a non-issue to be honest. It's not a child's toy.

[Noblekouta]

22 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

@Noblekouta

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[WhatAboutSecondBreakfast]

2 hours ago, Noblekouta said:

I recently stumbled upon a deeply concerning report from Igor’s Lab, which conducted an extensive material test on AIO radiators. The findings are alarming: the Barrow Dabel 28b Slim 120mm radiator, among others, was found to contain significant amounts of lead and other substandard materials. This revelation raises serious health and safety concerns for all of us in the PC building community.

 

The main reason why lead containing solder is used is because it's easier to work with and makes for better joint quality. problems exist such as what happens when lead free solder joints oxidize over time and lead free as well as silver copper based solder requires a much hotter temp to apply the solder and will distort the fitment of the fins and channels in the radiator. Lastly lead solder is much cheaper.

 

While this may seem like poor quality of workmanship or corporate greed run a muck, it's for a good reason that this is used. 

[BrandonTech.05]

I don't think they are just ignoring it out of malice or possible loss in money. If I had to guess this type of stuff would make for really good content. Hopefully someone at lmg sees this post and can look into it.

[Doobeedoo]

For custom rads I can see concern though for AiO as long as it's reputable brand it should be fine really. Obviously nice to know the details about the product yes. 

But lead is fine to touch, don't consume it though

[starsmine]

7 hours ago, WhatAboutSecondBreakfast said:

The main reason why lead containing solder is used is because it's easier to work with and makes for better joint quality. problems exist such as what happens when lead free solder joints oxidize over time and lead free as well as silver copper based solder requires a much hotter temp to apply the solder and will distort the fitment of the fins and channels in the radiator. Lastly lead solder is much cheaper.

 

While this may seem like poor quality of workmanship or corporate greed run a muck, it's for a good reason that this is used. 

It is very nasty stuff for the worker who uses it, one usually ends up breathing in the fumes, so its heavily discouraged still. Any factory encouraging the use of it is doing some questionable things, unnecessarily risking the health of its workers for the sake of a product. Those factories should be audited and steered away from if it wasn't just ignorance for that reason.


But yea there is no issue with the workmanship or the product. Corporate greed run a muck, its possible. Just which corporation is being greedy here? 

[dizmo]

44 minutes ago, starsmine said:

It is very nasty stuff for the worker who uses it, one usually ends up breathing in the fumes, so its heavily discouraged still. Any factory encouraging the use of it is doing some questionable things, unnecessarily risking the health of its workers for the sake of a product. Those factories should be audited and steered away from if it wasn't just ignorance for that reason.


But yea there is no issue with the workmanship or the product. Corporate greed run a muck, its possible. Just which corporation is being greedy here? 

It's not that bad with proper PPE. If you think lead is bad, just wait until you find out how bad cheese dust is... 

[LogicalDrm]

11 hours ago, Noblekouta said:

Adjusted. Thanks!

After review, this same topic was posted week ago. According to our policy, it means the original is first and since it has discussion, this has been merged to that. 

[starsmine]

3 hours ago, dizmo said:

It's not that bad with proper PPE. If you think lead is bad, just wait until you find out how bad cheese dust is... 

I really don't think doing toxic avoidable workplace Olympics is valuable. 
Just because cheese dust can be bad doesn't mean factories shouldn't avoid intentionally subjecting its workers to toxins they may not know about 
(What PPE, these are manufactured in places that don't take work place safety seriously)

Like all the PPE for this is a vent and gloves and hoping you dont have lead dust on you when you take your lunch break. 

Like I'm not saying its all that bad, its just that its avoidable unless its necessary.

Really, its not a massive issue enough to kick up a storm unless a group/company refuses to address it when brought up. There is no issue for the rad, and an audit and correction of the factory is all. 

[RevGAM]

On 3/12/2024 at 11:37 PM, Noblekouta said:

Tech Enthusiasts,

 

I recently stumbled upon a deeply concerning report from Igor’s Lab, which conducted an extensive material test on AIO radiators. The findings are alarming: the Barrow Dabel 28b Slim 120mm radiator, among others, was found to contain significant amounts of lead and other substandard materials. This revelation raises serious health and safety concerns for all of us in the PC building community.

 

The report, titled “The big radiator material test: Between promise, reality and the forbidden - Water Cooling tested more in Detail! | Part 1,” delves into the materials used by six well-known manufacturers, revealing discrepancies between what is advertised and the actual content of these radiators. The investigation was prompted by reports of clogged water cooling components and unexplained corrosion, leading to a thorough analysis of the materials used.

 

From the source:

"First of all: There is no copper “H90”. An addition of 10% brass (as in the case of Bykski) is NOT copper, but still an alloy, i.e. brass. Brass CuZN10, to be precise. Incidentally, it is interesting that I measured exactly this value. Just like the brass “H62” (correctly CuZn38) of the pre-chambers, where I then (logically) arrive at 38% zinc content, which corresponds to 62% copper content and which can suddenly be called brass again in marketing."

 

What’s perplexing is the lack of coverage this issue has received from tech YouTubers, who are often at the forefront of discussing tech-related concerns. One must wonder, why is there a silence from tech influencers on such a critical matter? Is it a lack of awareness, or are there other factors influencing the discourse?

 

The role of tech influencers is not only to review and recommend products but also to inform and protect their audience from potential hazards. It’s imperative that we question this gap in communication and encourage a dialogue that could safeguard the health of our community.

 

As we seek answers and accountability, let’s ensure that we’re not only consumers but also informed advocates for safety and transparency in the tech industry. I urge you to read the full report from Igor’s Lab and join me in calling for greater coverage and discussion on this pressing issue

 

Sources

 https://www.igorslab.de/en/the-big-radiator-material-test-between-promise-reality-and-prohibition-water-cooling-on-the-test-bench-part-1/

Already read it when @PDifolco posted this thread. 

 

I don't have the knowledge, funding or ability to test AIO materials. My channel is tiny but I'll put up a video about it, ok?

 

Wouldn't it take time, plus access to a range of AIOs to do the job anyways? The number of channels with the inventory, money, knowledge,  Lab access, etc is probably not that long. 

23 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

For custom rads I can see concern though for AiO as long as it's reputable brand it should be fine really. Obviously nice to know the details about the product yes. 

But lead is fine to touch, don't consume it though

More important is the fact that some manufacturers are lying about what is used. 

19 hours ago, starsmine said:

I really don't think doing toxic avoidable workplace Olympics is valuable. 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding? it seems like you're saying you're OK with (undisclosed?) toxic substances in the workplace.

But your next paragraph seems to say the opposite...

19 hours ago, starsmine said:

Just because cheese dust can be bad doesn't mean factories shouldn't avoid intentionally subjecting its workers to toxins they may not know about 
(What PPE, these are manufactured in places that don't take work place safety seriously)

 

19 hours ago, starsmine said:

Really, its not a massive issue enough to kick up a storm unless a group/company refuses to address it when brought up. There is no issue for the rad, and an audit and correction of the factory is all. 

On your last paragraph I disagree. 

 

Just to keep things in perspective:

Samsung, for decades, forced its employees to work in conditions without enough PPE to the point that there's a long list of people who died due to the exposure, most of them in their 20s. Samsung wouldn't help them, and the families would end up with huge medical debt, so they would pay off families with a pittance, browbeating, and then not helped at all, and if a family refused, they were put on a special list and given very demoralizing treatment that often made them cave and take the small payment and agree not to ask for more or reveal the open secret.

 

Ever watch Erin Brokovich?

 

So, yeah,  maybe the lead isn't a problem for the owner unless corrosion due to mixed metals occurs, but that water ends up becoming lead-laden and its got to go somewhere eventually, so the chemicals may end up in the water table. Not good.