Worth upgrading from 3080 to 4070 Ti Super?

[kingmustard]

... or is the only real successor at least a 4080 / 4080 Super / 4090?

 

I bought my 3080 FE for £650 (RRP) back in 2021, which is around £765 today after inflation.

 

It would sell for around £450-£475 on eBay (closer to £420-£445 after fees and delivery).

 

The 4070 Ti Super starts at £770 and the 4080 Super starts at £960.

 

So moving from a 3080 to a 4070 Ti Super would cost around £350. For that, you'd get a faster card, a lot more VRAM and frame generation. Wondering if that is hard to justify, though.

 

An alternative is the 7900 XT (which goes for £720 and includes Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora).

[MiszS]

I would wait at least 1 more gen, or get the 7800xt/7900xt

[Bagzie]

2 minutes ago, MiszS said:

I would wait at least 1 more gen, or get the 7800xt/7900xt

7900XT maybe but the 7800XT would basically be a side grade.

 

4070ti super would be a good upgrade aswell.

[Levent]

Depends on what do you want to with your system. 4090 would make sense if you were to for example gotten a G9 Neo too.

[Catzzye]

Personally, 3080 to 4070 Ti S doesn't make a lot of sense, maybe if you can flip 3080 for a high price, but I'd wait for 5000 series for a more meaningful upgrade

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, kingmustard said:

... or is the only real successor at least a 4080 / 4080 Super / 4090?

Are you upgrading from a 3080 or a 2080 (per your sig)?  If 3080, no.  Want a generation.

 

If 2080, then yes.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

5 minutes ago, kingmustard said:

... or is the only real successor at least a 4080 / 4080 Super / 4090?

This gen of cards is kind of a dud. I would personally wait until 5000 gen next year but it'll probably be really expensive.

[kingmustard]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Are you upgrading from a 3080 or a 2080 (per your sig)?  If 3080, no.  Want a generation.

 

If 2080, then yes.

Oops. I have removed my signature.

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, Deadpool2onBlu-Ray said:

This gen of cards is kind of a dud. I would personally wait until 5000 gen next year but it'll probably be really expensive.

I think this gen of cards are actually really good if you don't take price into account. The 4090 is a crazy fast card compared to last generation even if the price is pretty crazy. 

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

if you don't take price into account

but that's the only part you're using to actually get it. Price has to be accounted

 

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

The 4090 is a crazy fast card

you're not wrong but it's nearly 2.5x the price of a used 3090! 

 

17 minutes ago, kingmustard said:

... or is the only real successor at least a 4080 / 4080 Super / 4090?

 

I bought my 3080 FE for £650 (RRP) back in 2021, which is around £765 today after inflation.

 

It would sell for around £450-£475 on eBay (closer to £420-£445 after fees and delivery).

 

The 4070 Ti Super starts at £770 and the 4080 Super starts at £960.

 

So moving from a 3080 to a 4070 Ti Super would cost around £350. For that, you'd get a faster card, a lot more VRAM and frame generation. Wondering if that is hard to justify, though.

 

An alternative is the 7900 XT (which goes for £720 and includes Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora).

Wait for later on. the 3080 is still a very fast card and, unless you're getting sub 60 in your games I'd keep the 3080

[Brando212]

I'm with the others. Prices really kill the desire to upgrade this generation. I'm personally holding out hope that Intel's 2nd gen ARCs actually bring enough to the table to drive down prices a bit more.

[PDifolco]

27 minutes ago, kingmustard said:

... or is the only real successor at least a 4080 / 4080 Super / 4090?

 

I bought my 3080 FE for £650 (RRP) back in 2021, which is around £765 today after inflation.

 

It would sell for around £450-£475 on eBay (closer to £420-£445 after fees and delivery).

 

The 4070 Ti Super starts at £770 and the 4080 Super starts at £960.

 

So moving from a 3080 to a 4070 Ti Super would cost around £350. For that, you'd get a faster card, a lot more VRAM and frame generation. Wondering if that is hard to justify, though.

 

An alternative is the 7900 XT (which goes for £720 and includes Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora).

10 months ago when I sought an upgrade to my 3080 I didn't look at anything slower than a 4080 (+50% performance), and ended up getting a 7900XTX

That still holds I think, and 7900XTX price dropped significantly, 4080 not that much 

 

[kingmustard]

20 minutes ago, filpo said:

but that's the only part you're using to actually get it. Price has to be accounted

 

you're not wrong but it's nearly 2.5x the price of a used 3090! 

 

Wait for later on. the 3080 is still a very fast card and, unless you're getting sub 60 in your games I'd keep the 3080

I always try to play with ray tracing on but it lowers my frame rates to 60fps (that's at 4K output with DLSS set to balanced (1253p internal) in most of the ray-traced games I play), and I refuse to play games at 60fps when I'm so used to the smoothness of 100-120fps, so I feel frame generation is my only real option at the moment.

 

However, even the new (Super) prices are high, so it is unfortunately hard to justify.

[xg32]

34 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

10 months ago when I sought an upgrade to my 3080 I didn't look at anything slower than a 4080 (+50% performance), and ended up getting a 7900XTX

That still holds I think, and 7900XTX price dropped significantly, 4080 not that much 

 

i'm in the same boat, i was only looking at the 4090 but theres the 12vhpwr connector the 4080 has the same cost per frame as a 4090 that took it out of the equation.

 

With current prices only the 4080s make sense, if that connector's here to stay i'll likely wait til next gen to at least see what amd has to offer.

[PDifolco]

31 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i'm in the same boat, i was only looking at the 4090 but theres the 12vhpwr connector the 4080 has the same cost per frame as a 4090 that took it out of the equation.

 

With current prices only the 4080s make sense, if that connector's here to stay i'll likely wait til next gen to at least see what amd has to offer.

7900XTX is still $200 less than 4080 for same to better raster performance, way better cost per frame

You just lose on heavy RT, FSR is a tad worse than DLSS but usable at 4K (and even DLSS isn't that good at 1440p)

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

but that's the only part you're using to actually get it. Price has to be accounted

 

you're not wrong but it's nearly 2.5x the price of a used 3090! 

 

Wait for later on. the 3080 is still a very fast card and, unless you're getting sub 60 in your games I'd keep the 3080

Price can be accounted for but for some it isn't really a factor. If you are mostly concerned about performance then the price might not matter too much if you can easily afford the high cost of a 4090. 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, PDifolco said:

7900XTX is still $200 less than 4080 for same to better raster performance, way better cost per frame

You just lose on heavy RT, FSR is a tad worse than DLSS but usable at 4K (and even DLSS isn't that good at 1440p)

Even FSR3 is worse than DLSS?

[PDifolco]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Even FSR3 is worse than DLSS?

Was talking about FSR2, FRS3 is still not really common

[kingmustard]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

7900XTX is still $200 less than 4080 for same to better raster performance, way better cost per frame

You just lose on heavy RT, FSR is a tad worse than DLSS but usable at 4K (and even DLSS isn't that good at 1440p)

The 7900 XTX is £850 in the UK, and the 4080 Super's RRP is £960 when it comes out in a few weeks, and considering the 7900 XTX's performance is between a 4080 Super and a 4090, it is a good deal (especially considering the RRP of the 4080 is £1,200).

 

The problem is I am unwilling to spend that kind of money on a GPU, unfortunately.

 

I am going to limit myself to £750 or so (and keep to that price, including inflation, going forward).

 

If I were to upgrade my 3080 now, £750 or so currently limits me to the 4070 Ti Super (£770) or 7900 XT (£720 with Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora for free), but neither appear to be a worthwhile upgrade to my 3080 (consider I'll only make £420-£445 selling it).

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, kingmustard said:

The 7900 XTX is £850 in the UK, and the 4080 Super's RRP is £960 when it comes out in a few weeks, and considering the 7900 XTX's performance is between a 4080 Super and a 4090, it is a good deal (especially considering the RRP of the 4080 is £1,200).

 

The problem is I am unwilling to spend that kind of money on a GPU, unfortunately.

 

I am going to limit myself to £750 or so (and keep to that price, including inflation, going forward).

 

If I were to upgrade my 3080 now, £750 or so currently limits me to the 4070 Ti Super (£770) or 7900 XT (£720 with Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora for free), but neither appear to be a worthwhile upgrade to my 3080 (consider I'll only make £420-£445 selling it).

Sure

Then don't upgrade now wait for next gen

[kingmustard]

Just now, PDifolco said:

Sure

Then don't upgrade now wait for next gen

Based on the advice above, I think I shall.

 

Based on NVIDIA's pricing the past few years (4070 £510 RRP, 4070 Ti £800 RRP), for £750, I will be looking at a 5070 Ti, I guess.

[Brando212]

19 minutes ago, kingmustard said:

Based on the advice above, I think I shall.

 

Based on NVIDIA's pricing the past few years (4070 £510 RRP, 4070 Ti £800 RRP), for £750, I will be looking at a 5070 Ti, I guess.

Neither AMD nor Nvidia really care about the mid-range enthusiast gamer anymore. it's all AI and such. This is why Intel really needs to succeed with their 2nd gen ARCs. Unless they bring some actual competition to the market, then I don't see anything else happening to bring down prices in the foreseeable future  

[PDifolco]

8 minutes ago, Brando212 said:

Neither AMD nor Nvidia really care about the mid-range enthusiast gamer anymore. it's all AI and such. This is why Intel really needs to succeed with their 2nd gen ARCs. Unless they bring some actual competition to the market, then I don't see anything else happening to bring down prices in the foreseeable future  

Intel won't really care for gamers anymore if they find a more profitable market in AI as well...

[Brando212]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Intel won't really care for gamers anymore if they find a more profitable market in AI as well...

time will tell on that one. But just going off how much work they've been putting in to improving the drivers this year, it gives me hope.

[Mark Kaine]

Im also tempted to upgrade from a 3070, but then again i don't need to, i get 150+ fps in all my games... better wait for 5000 series i guess..

 

3070 ‐‐> 5070/Ti makes more sense imho

 

 

really no need to upgrade every gen nowadays