is there ATX MB with all m.2 slots Gen5 ?

[Redsiskin]

is there MB with all m.2 slots Gen5 ?

 

 

couldn't find even 1 MB with all M.2 slots gen5.

why most of them have only 1 slot that is gen5  ?

 

thanks

[JustenDouma]

What do you even need 1 gen 5 SSD for, let alone more?

[Redsiskin]

Trying to future proof a new build...

[Kilrah]

Becasue there isn't anything in the consumer world that can route PCIe5, so the only PCIe5 lanes come from the CPU itself and when theres a gen5 m.2 slot it takes from the x16 slot. You can technically use the whole PCIe5 x16 slot for SSDs if you want if the mobo supports bifurcation on that slot...

[Electronics Wizardy]

Here is a board that has all gen 5 m.2 slots. https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/workstation/pro-ws-wrx90e-sage-se/techspec/

 

Don't buy it for most uses. Gen 4 is basically the same performance for almost all applications.

 

 

Why is there few boards with all gen 5 slots? Most m.2 slots are from the chipset, and those are all gen4 currently. So all gen 5 m.2s come off the cpu directly. 

[filpo]

9 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

Trying to future proof a new build...

error, word not found in vocabulary

 

Don't use that word for anything but PSUs (which it's sort of OK for but not really)

Linking to the thread you don't need more than gen 4 bandwidth for anything tbh, even productivity. If you get a good pcie 4.0 ssd with dram cache that'll be enough for anything you throw at it. And for gaming you don't even need DRAM cache

get what you need(/want if your budget allows it) now and upgrade later. But with the temp increases with gen 5 and those huge heatsinks on some pcie gen 5 ssds it's not worth it

1 minute ago, Redsiskin said:

This MB have 1 gen5 M.2 and PCIex16 so should i go with something like that ?

 

GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7

Asrock Z790 LiveMixer

I mean if you want but you don't have to get a gen 5 drive. What's your budget country and use case?

Edited January 18 by filpo

[Redsiskin]

5 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Becasue there isn't anything in the consumer world that can route PCIe5, so the only PCIe5 lanes come from the CPU itself and when theres a gen5 m.2 slot it takes from the x16 slot. You can technically use the whole PCIe5 x16 slot for SSDs if you want if the mobo supports bifurcation on that slot...

This MB have 1 gen5 M.2 and PCIex16 so should i go with something like that ?

 

GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7

Asrock Z790 LiveMixer

[RONOTHAN##]

B650E Master exists and has 4 Gen 5 M.2 slots. There's no real point in that though outside of very, very specific use cases, so I wouldn't really consider that useful compared to boards with all Gen 4 slots. 

[GuiltySpark_]

8 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

Trying to future proof a new build...

This is a fruitless endeavor. There is nothing that is going to benefit x4 lanes of Gen5 for storage in consumer platforms and the options available now are a complete waste of money (again, for a desktop consumer PC). We build high end machines around here all the time and the least important thing those of us experienced with this are worried about is Gen5 NVMe storage, it makes no sense. 

 

Focus your efforts elsewhere. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

6 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

This MB have 1 gen5 M.2 and PCIex16 so should i go with something like that ?

 

GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7

Asrock Z790 LiveMixer

Due to LGA 1700 CPUs only have 16 gen 5 lanes, if you use a gen 5 m.2, your GPU is limited to x8

 

Really, don't try to do Gen 5 m.2 drives there no point for most workloads. What is your workload? Whats the rest of the build? Budget?

[Kilrah]

20 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

Trying to future proof a new build...

You'll want a CPU/platform upgrade long before gen5 storage even make sense, unless you're dealing with terabytes of large files on the daily in which case you'd be asking different questions.

 

At this point you can sometimes get better usability off gen3 storage than gen4...

[Redsiskin]

1 minute ago, Kilrah said:

You'll want a CPU/platform upgrade long before gen5 storage even make sense, unless you're dealing with terabytes of large files on the daily in which case you'd be asking different questions.

trying to match MB for 14700KF...

ATX, Z790.

 

Thinking about this 2 MB that come 14gen ready out of the box but if you have better suggestion i would love to hear them !

 

GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7

Asrock Z790 LiveMixer

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

trying to match MB for 14700KF...

ATX, Z790.

 

Thinking about this 2 MB that come 14gen ready out of the box but if you have better suggestion i would love to hear them !

 

GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7

Asrock Z790 LiveMixer

what's your budget, country and use case?

[Redsiskin]

3 minutes ago, filpo said:

what's your budget, country and use case?

budget: 250-400.

country: Israel (buying from US Amazon).

use case: Gaming/ QA/ Engine Unreal 5.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

8 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

You'll want a CPU/platform upgrade long before gen5 storage even make sense, unless you're dealing with terabytes of large files on the daily in which case you'd be asking different questions.

^^^

Even now gen4 is still basically useless for gaming or anything not r/w heavy which is basically everything a normal user does (browsing, gamingz etc.), you may see a benifit if you are dealing with massive files if you do some high res video editing or something like that, but thats about it and its a very specific usecase

 

5 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

trying to match MB for 14700KF...

ATX, Z790.

 

Thinking about this 2 MB that come 14gen ready out of the box but if you have better suggestion i would love to hear them !

 

GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7

Asrock Z790 LiveMixer

 

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

what's your budget, country and use case?

^^^

Was just about to ask that

 

Both vrms are problably overbuilt

 

I can only compare i/o and thats just a matter of if you need the 20 total usb a ports on the livemixer (12 rear 8 internal) or if youll be fine with the 15 total usb a ports on the aorus elite x wifi7 (6 internal 9 rear nice), apparently the aorus board should be able to do 8000+ ddr5 but i have my doubts on wether or not you want to play around with ddr5 oc

[filpo]

Just now, Redsiskin said:

budget: 250-400.

country: Israel (buying from US Amazon).

use case: Gaming.

Ye pcie 5 is not needed at all then 

you can just keep your current mobo if it's a current build that you're upgrading (unless it's something like a h610)

Apart from the prime boards these should all work well Choose A Motherboard - PCPartPicker

[Redsiskin]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

Ye pcie 5 is not needed at all then 

you can just keep your current mobo if it's a current build that you're upgrading (unless it's something like a h610)

Apart from the prime boards these should all work well Choose A Motherboard - PCPartPicker

i think now my pc is 10 years old++

[Kilrah]

2 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

i think now my pc is 10 years old++

More like 7 at most.

[filpo]

4 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

i think now my pc is 10 years old++

What's your budget for the upgrade? And are you buying everything from amazon US?

[Dedayog]

40 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

Trying to future proof a new build...

No such thing,  and no need for Gen 5 SSD's now or in 5 years.

 

Buy what you need now, as in 5 years what you have may be not what evolves.

 

 

[Redsiskin]

6 minutes ago, filpo said:

What's your budget for the upgrade? And are you buying everything from amazon US?

What's your budget for the upgrade? there is no limit cuze i  won court case and got some $$$

And are you buying everything from amazon US? most of the parts yes they don't have the CPU, Case is too heavy to ship.

[YoungBlade]

The odd thing to me is that, if you care at all about "future proofing" then you shouldn't even be looking at Intel options right now. The LGA1700 motherboards are a dead end platform. The 14900K is the end of the road for whatever motherboard you buy. So there's no point in trying to "future proof" an LGA1700 build.

 

If you care about future performance, you'd need to go with an AMD build, as the AM5 socket has future CPUs coming for it. In theory, it should at least go to the 9000 series, but this has not been confirmed by AMD. The 8000 series, however, is confirmed, and not just the APU options. Later this year, we should be getting new 8000 series chips based on Zen 5, and unless something is horribly amiss, the 8950X will be faster than the 14900K for all tasks.

 

With that said, I wouldn't be trying to "future proof" at all. It's a fool's errand. The only reason that "future proof" builds seemed to happen in the last decade is that Intel stagnated hard and AMD was non-existent. So the software industry couldn't move forward with games and programs that scaled to high performance parts, as they just didn't exist for the average consumer. There was no core increase on mainstream consumer platforms from Intel between the i7 860 and the i7 7700K (2009-2017). There was basically no meaningful improvement in performance core-for-core between the i7 6700K and the i9 10900K (2015-2020). And AMD didn't release a new CPU that mattered for high-end PCs from 2013-2017.

 

So if you happened to buy a Core i7 2600K in early 2011, the fact that you were able to keep using it and still playing the latest games until around 2019 or so was a bizarre fluke that has never happened before and probably isn't going to happen again for a while now that AMD and Intel are both competitive at the same time again.

 

Don't focus on future proofing. Focus on what your needs are today and in the foreseeable future and plan a build accordingly using existing parts.

 

And as an aside, PCIe Gen 5 is basically just bigger-number-better marketing for 99% of consumers. Unless you are a professional that knows that you need high storage speeds for video editing, compression, or certain types of programming and simulation work, you are fine with even a cheap PCIe Gen 3 drive. The difference in real-world use cases, outside of large file transfers, is basically meaningless.

[filpo]

55 minutes ago, Redsiskin said:

What's your budget for the upgrade? there is no limit cuze i  won court case and got some $$$

And are you buying everything from amazon US? most of the parts yes they don't have the CPU, Case is too heavy to ship.

as @YoungBlade says, AM5 is best for an upgrade. get a 7800X3D for gaming and a b650 like the gaming plus wifi. Keep the 6000 CL30 ram or try and find 5600 CL28 ripjaws s5