i have always used intel cpus but i'm considering amd for my next build. need some advice please.

[bulkchart32]

hello. this is my first time posting here and i have scrolled these forum very little. so please forgive me if i am posting in the wrong place or anything. anyway, i have an old laptop with a i7-3710qm, a desktop with an i7-4790k(may be the best cpu intel ever made), and another desktop with an i9-9900k. i love everyone of them. they have great stability and are workhorses, for what they are(4790k still runs most modern games pretty decent after putting liquid metal under the ihs). however, i really do not like anything intel has made starting with 11th gen. 13 and 14th gen are even worse with their e-cores. i recently got an asus g17 strix laptop with an amd Ryzen 9-7845HX cpu and i am kinda impressed with it but hate windows 11 though. what led me to get my first desktop with an intel cpu was that i sort of ignorantly bought that i7 laptop based on a bestbuy salesman recommendation and i really liked the cpu. so, i am considering making a new pc with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu in it that runs windows 10 and will probably eventually dual boot into windows 11 because i really like the amd cpu in my new laptop so far. so, honestly, how are the desktop amd cpu's? i have heard amd has stability issues? i have also heard that intel is usually the best because they "just work" while amd can have a lot of troubleshooting involved. and how are they for tuning to run a steady clock like intel? i know i sound like i have a lot of money since i own all of this tech but i really don't. this is one of my few splurges in life. so i'd rather not build one whole new system and decide i hate it and have to build something else. i'm much rather be right the first time. can y'all give me some honest advice on this?

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, bulkchart32 said:

hello. this is my first time posting here and i have scrolled these forum very little. so please forgive me if i am posting in the wrong place or anything. anyway, i have an old laptop with a i7-3710qm, a desktop with an i7-4790k(may be the best cpu intel ever made), and another desktop with an i9-9900k. i love everyone of them. they have great stability and are workhorses, for what they are(4790k still runs most modern games pretty decent after putting liquid metal under the ihs). however, i really do not like anything intel has made starting with 11th gen. 13 and 14th gen are even worse with their e-cores. i recently got an asus g17 strix laptop with an amd Ryzen 9-7845HX cpu and i am kinda impressed with it but hate windows 11 though. what led me to get my first desktop with an intel cpu was that i sort of ignorantly bought that i7 laptop based on a bestbuy salesman recommendation and i really liked the cpu. so, i am considering making a new pc with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu in it that runs windows 10 and will probably eventually dual boot into windows 11 because i really like the amd cpu in my new laptop so far. so, honestly, how are the desktop amd cpu's? i have heard amd has stability issues? i have also heard that intel is usually the best because they "just work" while amd can have a lot of troubleshooting involved. and how are they for tuning to run a steady clock like intel? i know i sound like i have a lot of money since i own all of this tech but i really don't. this is one of my few splurges in life. so i'd rather not build one whole new system and decide i hate it and have to build something else. i'm much rather be right the first time. can y'all give me some honest advice on this?

They're fantastic.  You're a few years back with your viewpoints, as the Zen architecture has been amazing for AMD for the past 4+ years.

 

Right now I wouldn't bat an eye to get either AMD or Intel from a quality standpoint.

[bulkchart32]

6 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

They're fantastic.  You're a few years back with your viewpoints, as the Zen architecture has been amazing for AMD for the past 4+ years.

 

Right now I wouldn't bat an eye to get either AMD or Intel from a quality standpoint.

can a desktop amd cpu be set to hold a steady clock speed up until thermal limit like intel can?

[flibberdipper]

Realistically all of the wrinkles with Zen have been ironed out for a while now, even the AM5 growing pains seem to be over with for the most part. Personally I also plan on ditching Intel sooner rather than later, I'm sick and tired of my mobo and quite frankly, even with the better scheduler of Windows 11 the BIG.little architecture is ass. I love my 12600KF, it's a perfectly performant little guy, but the biggest issues with it are that the scheduler fuckin sucks especially when it comes to VMWare and Steam downloads. I've also noticed that Photoshop in particular acts funky even if I set the affinity to only use the P-cores.

[Hinjima]

10 minutes ago, bulkchart32 said:

hello. this is my first time posting here and i have scrolled these forum very little. so please forgive me if i am posting in the wrong place or anything. anyway, i have an old laptop with a i7-3710qm, a desktop with an i7-4790k(may be the best cpu intel ever made), and another desktop with an i9-9900k. i love everyone of them. they have great stability and are workhorses, for what they are(4790k still runs most modern games pretty decent after putting liquid metal under the ihs). however, i really do not like anything intel has made starting with 11th gen. 13 and 14th gen are even worse with their e-cores. i recently got an asus g17 strix laptop with an amd Ryzen 9-7845HX cpu and i am kinda impressed with it but hate windows 11 though. what led me to get my first desktop with an intel cpu was that i sort of ignorantly bought that i7 laptop based on a bestbuy salesman recommendation and i really liked the cpu. so, i am considering making a new pc with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu in it that runs windows 10 and will probably eventually dual boot into windows 11 because i really like the amd cpu in my new laptop so far. so, honestly, how are the desktop amd cpu's? i have heard amd has stability issues? i have also heard that intel is usually the best because they "just work" while amd can have a lot of troubleshooting involved. and how are they for tuning to run a steady clock like intel? i know i sound like i have a lot of money since i own all of this tech but i really don't. this is one of my few splurges in life. so i'd rather not build one whole new system and decide i hate it and have to build something else. i'm much rather be right the first time. can y'all give me some honest advice on this?

I have always gone with Intel and my last Intel CPU was my 9900k that I overclocked to 5.1ghz on all cores. Quite a decent chip in my opinion!
I bought an RTX 4080 and had quite a lot of stutter and low 0.1% frames. 
I decided to buy the the AMD 7700x back in December and its been an absolute treat!  No more framedrops, no stutters or any issues to report. This is my first AMD CPU and I doubt I will ever go back to Intel after this.

Obviously the 7700x is a lot faster than the 9900k but the improvement were extremely noticeable.

After this I have built 20+ AM5 systems for other people ranging from the 7600 to the 7950X3D and I have not ran into a single issue with any of the systems, I keep up with the people who I built / helped build to check in and everything is running smoothly

 

I can absolutely recommend AM5 this time around for gaming. I love it so much.

[Hinjima]

3 minutes ago, bulkchart32 said:

can a desktop amd cpu be set to hold a steady clock speed up until thermal limit like intel can?

If you plan on going AM5 then they work a bit differently than any other CPU architecture on the market. AM5 is designed to keep boosting as high as possible until its thermal limit at 95c and actually stay there, they are designed to hit a thermal limit before anything else.

Please check out this thread that I helped someone with earlier.

 

[bulkchart32]

4 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

I have always gone with Intel and my last Intel CPU was my 9900k that I overclocked to 5.1ghz on all cores. Quite a decent chip in my opinion!
I bought an RTX 4080 and had quite a lot of stutter and low 0.1% frames. 
I decided to buy the the AMD 7700x back in December and its been an absolute treat!  No more framedrops, no stutters or any issues to report. This is my first AMD CPU and I doubt I will ever go back to Intel after this.

Obviously the 7700x is a lot faster than the 9900k but the improvement were extremely noticeable.

After this I have built 20+ AM5 systems for other people ranging from the 7600 to the 7950X3D and I have not ran into a single issue with any of the systems, I keep up with the people who I built / helped build to check in and everything is running smoothly

 

I can absolutely recommend AM5 this time around for gaming. I love it so much.

please forgive me, i have very little knowledge about amd. i have mostly just kept up with intel over the past 10 years. which chips are am5? i was considering the 7700x3d. is that an am5?

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, bulkchart32 said:

please forgive me, i have very little knowledge about amd. i have mostly just kept up with intel over the past 10 years. which chips are am5? i was considering the 7700x3d. is that an am5?

That is correct! Ryzen 7000 series are AM5, AM5 is the socket type, like Intels LGA1700 or 1151 etc

We use the socket type a lot for AMD as they stay on a socket for a lot longer than Intel.
AM4 saw Ryzen 1000 to 5000 and AM5 is the new socket from Ryzen 7000 and onwards.

[Hinjima]

11 minutes ago, bulkchart32 said:

please forgive me, i have very little knowledge about amd. i have mostly just kept up with intel over the past 10 years. which chips are am5? i was considering the 7700x3d. is that an am5?

Please check out the 2 videos linked in the linked post above, it will explain so many things on how the Ryzen 7000 / AM5 CPU's work. You will learn a lot from them
Lengthy videos but full of valuable information.

I'll relink it here for convenience.

 

[Bagzie]

1 hour ago, Hinjima said:

If you plan on going AM5 then they work a bit differently than any other CPU architecture on the market. AM5 is designed to keep boosting as high as possible until its thermal limit at 95c and actually stay there, they are designed to hit a thermal limit before anything else.

Please check out this thread that I helped someone with earlier.

 

This may be true with the non 3d parts but my 7800X3D hits 4.85GHZ all core on max boost regardless of temps which are around 77-80c.

 

 

[Hinjima]

18 minutes ago, Bagzie said:

This may be true with the non 3d parts but my 7800X3D hits 4.85GHZ all core on max boost regardless of temps which are around 77-80c.

 

 

Sounds about right!  The 5ghz boost clock will only be on 2 cores if required and 4.85ghz sounds right for all core loads.
My 7700x boosts to 5.3ghz instead of its 5.4ghz boost during all core loads.

[bulkchart32]

2 hours ago, Hinjima said:

Sounds about right!  The 5ghz boost clock will only be on 2 cores if required and 4.85ghz sounds right for all core loads.
My 7700x boosts to 5.3ghz instead of its 5.4ghz boost during all core loads.

i have my 9900k set to run at 5ghz at all times. i'd guess it would thermal throttle if it ever hit it's limits but i haven't tried it lately. anyway, can amd be set to stay at 5.2ghz on all cores?

[Hinjima]

5 minutes ago, bulkchart32 said:

i have my 9900k set to run at 5ghz at all times. i'd guess it would thermal throttle if it ever hit it's limits but i haven't tried it lately. anyway, can amd be set to stay at 5.2ghz on all cores?

You can always overclock the CPU or adjust its PBO values. My 7700x is at  5.3ghz all core.

Overclocking Ryzen 7000 is just not worth it, there is very little gain. They are so fast out of the box and they are pushing the limits already.

[Nick Brennan]

I have a 7900X with a Asus X670-P WIFI board. 32gb of teamgroup hynix memory and everything works fine.

 

I have not 1 issue. My video card is a PNY 4080 and gaming is a blast on it. 

[Dedayog]

4 hours ago, bulkchart32 said:

i have my 9900k set to run at 5ghz at all times. i'd guess it would thermal throttle if it ever hit it's limits but i haven't tried it lately. anyway, can amd be set to stay at 5.2ghz on all cores?

You can set power limits as well as temp limits too.

 

My 7700x runs at 5.5 all core with a -30 all core PBO.

 

Lots of tweaking available.