I think I need a new HSF

[fade2black001]

Under stress my 7900x gets to 95c and I don't like that. I got some POS AIO by MSI which was the cheapest at Microcenter but little did I know that it got horrible reviews and the employee there didn't mention it either. I guess he either didn't know or the people there are just in it for the sales to make them look good. So lesson learned do research yourself and don't listen to the employees at Microcenter or at least the one in Denver anyways.... I think its the latter. My PC hasn't overheated yet but Its probably wont be too long till it does.

[Failure 101]

3 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

Under stress my 7900x gets to 95c and I don't like that. I got some POS AIO by MSI which was the cheapest at Microcenter but little did I know that it got horrible reviews and the employee there didn't mention it either. I guess he either didn't know or the people there are just in it for the sales to make them look good. So lesson learned do research yourself and don't listen to the employees at Microcenter or at least the one in Denver anyways.... I think its the latter. My PC hasn't overheated yet but Its probably wont be too long till it does.

95c is expected and normal for modern high end cpus

[GuiltySpark_]

As not to repeat myself, I posted about my old 7900x and air cooling it here. If stock, 95c is expected for a multicore load.

 

 

[Dedayog]

13 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

Under stress my 7900x gets to 95c and I don't like that. I got some POS AIO by MSI which was the cheapest at Microcenter but little did I know that it got horrible reviews and the employee there didn't mention it either. I guess he either didn't know or the people there are just in it for the sales to make them look good. So lesson learned do research yourself and don't listen to the employees at Microcenter or at least the one in Denver anyways.... I think its the latter. My PC hasn't overheated yet but Its probably wont be too long till it does.

Have you done PBO/CO?

 

Why do you think it'll overheat soon?  If it hasn't now, what is changing to make it overheat in the future?

[fade2black001]

4 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Have you done PBO/CO?

 

Why do you think it'll overheat soon?  If it hasn't now, what is changing to make it overheat in the future?

Have you done PBO/CO?  No

 

Well because its near the breaking point. Anything slightly above 95 will cause it to shutdown yes?

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

Have you done PBO/CO?  No

 

Well because its near the breaking point. Anything slightly above 95 will cause it to shutdown yes?

it won't shutdown, it just ramps up to 95c and stops there if anything.

 

It's throttling, not shutting down.

 

Do PBO/CO, it'll tame it quite a bit.

 

 

[GuiltySpark_]

5 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

Anything slightly above 95 will cause it to shutdown yes?

No, 95 isn't the temp limit, that's the temp target. The system will push power and clocks to get to 95c. 

 

It seems you bought into this platform without much research so to get caught up, maybe check out this video from a year ago.

 

 

[fade2black001]

3 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

No, 95 isn't the temp limit, that's the temp target. The system will push power and clocks to get to 95c. 

The TJ Max for the CPU is 95

[fade2black001]

6 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

it won't shutdown, it just ramps up to 95c and stops there if anything.

 

It's throttling, not shutting down.

 

Do PBO/CO, it'll tame it quite a bit.

 

 

How do I enable it

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

The TJ Max for the CPU is 95

While true, you have a serious misunderstanding with how this platform is designed to operate and we're trying to educate you. The CPU's are designed to target 95c and operate there for their entire lifetime. Going over that does NOT initiate a shutdown, I don't know where you read this. 

 

This isn't an i7 from 10 years ago, things work a little differently now. Above 95c you'll see throttling and clockspeeds will suffer. 

 

We've known this for over a year now, and if you do for instance a google for "ryzen 7000 95c" you'll see this discussed all over the place. 

 

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With the new AM5 socket and higher TDP, most processors will run into a thermal wall before they hit a power wall. You will therefore see the Ryzen 7000 series, especially the higher core count variants, reside at TJMax (about 95 degrees Celsius for the Ryzen 7000 series) when running intense multithreaded workloads like Cinebench nt. This behavior is intended and by design.
It’s important to note TJMax is the max safe operating temperature—not the absolute max temperature. In the Ryzen 7000 Series, the processor is designed to run at TJMax 24/7 without risk of damage or deterioration. At 95 degrees it is not running hot, rather it will intentionally go to this temperature as much as possible under load because the power management system knows that this is the ideal way to squeeze the most performance out of the chip without damaging it.

 

[GuiltySpark_]

If you read the thread I linked, there are still things you can do about it, however. My old 7900x was faster than stock with a -20 CO undervolt and an 85c temp limit. 

[fade2black001]

16 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

No, 95 isn't the temp limit, that's the temp target. The system will push power and clocks to get to 95c. 

 

It seems you bought into this platform without much research so to get caught up, maybe check out this video from a year ago.

 

 

Thank you

[RevGAM]

1 hour ago, fade2black001 said:

I got some POS AIO by MSI which was the cheapest at Microcenter but little did I know that it got horrible reviews and the employee there didn't mention it either. I guess he either didn't know or the people there are just in it for the sales to make them look good. So lesson learned do research yourself and don't listen to the employees at Microcenter or at least the one in Denver anyways.... I think its the latter.

They work on commission, so how greedy or desperate they are will determine how honest they are with you. You must always go to any store like that prepared ahead of time so you can't be tricked into buying a dud, what you don't need,  or something overpriced. In general, they should all be compugeeks, but they aren't necessarily going to know everything they should. It depends on whether or not their monetary motivation guides them to learn to best be able to help customers, take shortcuts, or rip people off. Some people are just geared to do the most self-serving thing in every situation. 

 

If you feel you were ripped off, go back, complain and ask them to fix the situation.  Not everything they sell is good, and not everything that is good is sold by them. That's the story of most stores.

 

As suggested, undervolt your CPU, and if you get a chance search for Jayz2Cent's video about how modern CPUs are designed to ramp up to 95 C. The best thing to do is undervolt get the best cooler you can afford so that you can get the most performance, and it'll still be around 95 C, but more powerful. 

[fade2black001]

My CPU now runs under 60c on full load

[RevGAM]

1 minute ago, fade2black001 said:

My CPU now runs under 60c on full load

What did you do? UV?

[fade2black001]

1 minute ago, RevGAM said:

What did you do? UV?

yes and some other stuff.

 

I set the CPU to eco mode with a CTD of 65w. Then I set the PBO offset for all cores with a negative value of 30 and then undervolt the CPU by .05 volts. Shockingly the performance loss is very minimal

[RevGAM]

6 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

yes and some other stuff.

 

I set the CPU to eco mode with a CTD of 65w. Then I set the PBO offset for all cores with a negative value of 30 and then undervolt the CPU by .05 volts. Shockingly the performance loss is very minimal

Great! I think that's because of the trade-off between power consumption and temperature. Lower temps mean higher performance. 

[TatamiMatt]

6 minutes ago, fade2black001 said:

yes and some other stuff.

 

I set the CPU to eco mode with a CTD of 65w. Then I set the PBO offset for all cores with a negative value of 30 and then undervolt the CPU by .05 volts. Shockingly the performance loss is very minimal

Could also bump ctd to 75W to see if you can eek out some more performance still without going near 95C, especially if youre only hitting 60C with a CDT of 65W?

[fade2black001]

Just now, RevGAM said:

Great! I think that's because of the trade-off between power consumption and temperature. Lower temps mean higher performance. 

Since I game at 4k my CPU usage is pretty low to begin with. I don't think I really needed to do this but its nice to see my max Wattage I seen it get to is 55w. I'm sure with gaming I wont ever notice the performance hit. Only in benchmarking where it would really show. In Cinebench I went from a score of 4430 down to a 4130. Big whoopie do.... lol

[fade2black001]

3 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Could also bump ctd to 75W to see if you can eek out some more performance still without going near 95C, especially if youre only hitting 60C with a CDT of 65W?

I find this pointless to do honestly. I mean to give you real numbers. My cinebench score went from 4430 down to 4130. For me gaming at 4k I won't ever notice the performance hit ever in gaming. 

[TatamiMatt]

Just now, fade2black001 said:

I find this pointless to do honestly. I mean to give you real numbers. My cinebench score went from 4430 down to 4130. For me gaming at 4k I won't ever notice the performance hit ever in gaming. 

Yeah thats fair enough! Didnt know the wattages and scores before this but it youre only hitting 55W with those scores then it seems a pretty good job!

[fade2black001]

1 minute ago, TatamiMatt said:

Yeah thats fair enough! Didnt know the wattages and scores before this but it youre only hitting 55W with those scores then it seems a pretty good job!

I would say so