Do you really need a 360 AIO? Like... really need one?

[Supersonicwolfe]

I found some really good 360 AIO deal, not gonna lie I am a bit disappointed with 240mm deals...

like DeepCool LT720 for only 70 USD , LE 720 for only 50 USD... (11.11 sale in China)

 

 

(I did find a review of this cooler, it is slightly nosier than Liquid freezer II, but full tilt it beats Liquid Freezer thanks to the F**K120 fans.... OOps I mean FK120)

 

But really, do you need a 360?

 

The cooler I original wanted to get is LT 520, the 240mm version of LT720, which is now less than 10 dollars cheaper than the best offer from DeepCool (LT720) ...

My second chose was LianLi Galahad 240, but now it's $5 more expensive the LE720 360mm... )

(I was also considering Thermal Alright PS120 Evo at 42 USD, AK620 Digital at 45 USD, but yeah... if I am for performance LE720 is going to be better... )

 

The deals are great, but I'm just upgrading to a 5800X3D... don't think I will upgrade to 7800X3D... or similar class in next 3 years... so... yeah... feels like it's a wasting using a 360mm AIO... on a non-overclock-able 5800XD

 

I was going to do a 240 exhaust behind some space and a 140mm intake like this...

Goal being try direct more air to the GPU, as LianLi Lancool III didn't performed well in GPU benchmark in GN's test...

But can't do that with a 360...

 

Am I crazy to think I'm wasting money and the AIO ???

[OU812]

Been rocking a 280 for a while now. Keeps my 5800x no3d pretty cool.

[Shimejii]

5800x3d Is 100W at most, so 360mm AIO is overkill for it  Not needed no.

[freeagent]

I run my 5900X at 250w, it seems ok. No experience with those brands though.

 

58X3D can do 143w PPT 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Based on what I've heard, 360mm is mostly needed for the newer Core i9 chips.

 

I'm rocking a 280mm still on top of an i7-7820X, and it stays pretty cool for being Skylake-X.

[freeagent]

I am really an air cooer kinda guy, I am just messing around with this AIO.

[Supersonicwolfe]

@OU812 @Crunchy Dragon @freeagent@Shimejii

My main concern is that a 360 will destroy my wacky intake/positive intake plan.

(Price performance wise they are very attractive)

 

3x120mm + 1x140mm, Will probably over take my 3x140mm and making the Liancool III into a negative pressure set up ( may not be a good thing when sucking air from the bottom).

 

 

[freeagent]

That could very well be. I bought a new 360 to try, since I bash the shit out of AIOs every chance I get. But being in a Torrent Compact is certainly not ideal.

[RevGAM]

22 hours ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

@OU812 @Crunchy Dragon @freeagent@Shimejii

My main concern is that a 360 will destroy my wacky intake/positive intake plan.

(Price performance wise they are very attractive)

 

3x120mm + 1x140mm, Will probably over take my 3x140mm and making the Liancool III into a negative pressure set up ( may not be a good thing when sucking air from the bottom).

If you never expect to buy a hot CPU, then it's entirely up to you. Whatever is the best deal for performance. There are plenty more great AIOs and air coolers to choose from, although some of them are really overpriced.

 

Keep in mind that AMD and Intel have predicted that CPU temps are going to keep going up, though. 

 

If you want to guard against that for your next build, better get the best you can. 

22 hours ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

My main concern is that a 360 will destroy my wacky intake/positive intake plan.

(Price performance wise they are very attractive)

 

3x120mm + 1x140mm, Will probably over take my 3x140mm and making the Liancool III into a negative pressure set up ( may not be a good thing when sucking air from the bottom).

Easy solution for an engineer:

1. Make sure that the exhaust fans run with less flow than intake, by using the fan curves and/or using weaker fans for exhaust. 
2. Use ducts to channel the air exactly where you need it. 

Problem solved!

 

 

[Supersonicwolfe]

20 hours ago, RevGAM said:

If you never expect to buy a hot CPU, then it's entirely up to you. Whatever is the best deal for performance. There are plenty more great AIOs and air coolers to choose from, although some of them are really overpriced.

 

Keep in mind that AMD and Intel have predicted that CPU temps are going to keep going up, though. 

 

If you want to guard against that for your next build, better get the best you can. 

Easy solution for an engineer:

1. Make sure that the exhaust fans run with less flow than intake, by using the fan curves and/or using weaker fans for exhaust. 
2. Use ducts to channel the air exactly where you need it. 

Problem solved!

 

 

Pretty much that is reason number 3 driving me towards the LT720.

1. Seems AIO today have very nice RGB compare to air cooler options like PS120 EVO and Deepcool AK620 Digital

2. Deepcool LT720 360mm AIO is only about 60% more expensive than PS120 EVO and Deepcool AK620 Digital. Not like doubling the price or something (there are 360mm AIO at 16% more compare to AK620 Digital, and Deepcool LE520 a 240mm AIO is cheaper than both Thermalright PS120 and EVO and AK620 Digital too)

3. Expect running them for minimum 5 years (in warranty), maybe 7 years is "doable" not refilling the loop. LT 720 and Galahad240 have fill ports to refill the loop too if needed, so these can last until the pump fails, not hard to spot given I will set up my fans to go full tilt or hear the noise.

(I'm just upgrading from 3600 to 5800X3D since I am already using a X570 platform)

[thrasher_565]

tower coolers atm are in hot water as they are getting beat by cheap coolers... bequiet just had a new one and well not looking good.  so with hot cpus you most likely need to go for a aio if you want to fully use it.

 

but also you can get a bad aio... not filled up all the way. or run in to crotion problems...

 

imo the thickest aio would be the best. then you could replace the fans with better ones later on.

 

top aio dose look cool imo thow.

Edited October 31, 2023 by thrasher_565

[Supersonicwolfe]

3 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

tower coolers atm are in hot water as they are getting beat by cheap coolers... bequiet just had a new one and well not looking good.  so with hot cpus you most likely need to go for a aio if you want to fully use it.

 

but also you can get a bad aio... not filled up all the way. or run in to crotion problems...

 

imo the thickest aio would be the best. then you could replace the fans with better ones later on.

 

top aio dose look cool imo thow.

That is why I'm considering spending 20% more to get the LT720 it over the LE720, I don't think I need RGB on top of the machine, but can consider get some FC120 and move the FK120 to bottom of my case for intake.

Performance wise...

Deepcool's LS720 (a previous generation) got pretty good review from Der8aur,

There aren't many reviews on LT720 and LE720 from more popular reviewers, but KitGuruTech gave it a pretty positive one to LT720

 

[RevGAM]

15 hours ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

That is why I'm considering spending 20% more to get the LT720 it over the LE720, I don't think I need RGB on top of the machine, but can consider get some FC120 and move the FK120 to bottom of my case for intake.

Performance wise...

Deepcool's LS720 (a previous generation) got pretty good review from Der8aur,

There aren't many reviews on LT720 and LE720 from more popular reviewers, but KitGuruTech gave it a pretty positive one to LT720

 

FYI, the FC fans are not as powerful as the FK fans per DC. Same fans but the FLs have no LEDs.

 

Also, that series of AIOs from DC is highly rated. LS has lighting but is otherwise basically the same as LT. If there is a difference, I bet that LT is more powerful. 

[freeagent]

You don’t need an AIO period. My Zen 3 parts cooled with air get better temps than pretty much everyone with an AIO.

[Supersonicwolfe]

5 hours ago, RevGAM said:

FYI, the FC fans are not as powerful as the FK fans per DC. Same fans but the FLs have no LEDs.

 

Also, that series of AIOs from DC is highly rated. LS has lighting but is otherwise basically the same as LT. If there is a difference, I bet that LT is more powerful. 

Yeap I like LT more...

Still I don't mind useing FC instead as I want to funnel more air towars my 3080 (LianLi Lancool III performed very well in GN's aircooling test, but GPU temps are not great.)

Hance I might use the FK fans as bottom intake (Lianli Lancool III supports 3x120mm fan)

 

Still... that means now I have a 140mm non RGB LianLi fan laying around doing nothing... (was the rear exhaust included with Lancool III, but I got a 3rg gen LianLi Unifan to put there for the looks)

[Paul17]

15 hours ago, RevGAM said:

FYI, the FC fans are not as powerful as the FK fans per DC. Same fans but the FLs have no LEDs.

 

Also, that series of AIOs from DC is highly rated. LS has lighting but is otherwise basically the same as LT. If there is a difference, I bet that LT is more powerful. 

Really?  It's one of the cheaper ones in my locale.   LT720?

[RevGAM]

9 hours ago, Paul17 said:

Really?  It's one of the cheaper ones in my locale.   LT720?

Which? Fan or AIO?

[Supersonicwolfe]

10 hours ago, Paul17 said:

Really?  It's one of the cheaper ones in my locale.   LT720?

Yeah, Tom's hardware reviewed it and showing it on par ot beating or the Arctic Liquid Freezer II in many tests

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-lt720-aio-cooler

 

And Deepcool LS720 also performed very good in der8euer's round up

 

After all Deepcool is one of the handful actual factory that makes AIO. Them and maybe Cooler master, EK, makes the AIP sold and branded by companies like Asus,MSI, Gigabyte. And in systems from Lenovo, Dell,HP's gaming systems

[Paul17]

1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

Which? Fan or AIO?

AIO but good to know about the fans they use, too. 

 

3 minutes ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

Yeah, Tom's hardware reviewed it and showing it on par ot beating or the Arctic Liquid Freezer II in many tests

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-lt720-aio-cooler

 

And Deepcool LS720 also performed very good in der8euer's round up

 

After all Deepcool is one of the handful actual factory that makes AIO. Them and maybe Cooler master, EK, makes the AIP sold and branded by companies like Asus,MSI, Gigabyte. And in systems from Lenovo, Dell,HP's gaming systems

Very interesting.  Thanks for the info.   The Arctic and EK coolers are always so expensive and there's hardly ever discounts - they sell well, though - I notice the vendors often go out of stock.   It's good to have some other options so I will consider the Deep Cool AIOs - they're a lot cheaper - and it's good that there's reviews out there for them.   

[Supersonicwolfe]

9 minutes ago, Paul17 said:

AIO but good to know about the fans they use, too. 

 

Very interesting.  Thanks for the info.   The Arctic and EK coolers are always so expensive and there's hardly ever discounts - they sell well, though - I notice the vendors often go out of stock.   It's good to have some other options so I will consider the Deep Cool AIOs - they're a lot cheaper - and it's good that there's reviews out there for them.   

The LT720 uses the F**K 120 fans .... I mean FK120 fans, they are also used on the AK620 Cooler and Deepcool Assassin IV (also very good towers, higher-end looking than Thermalright's)

So the fans are pretty good to say the least.

FC120 is RGB version of FK120, and they as slightly worse like most RGB version of non-RGB fans

 

[Paul17]

2 minutes ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

The LT720 uses the F**K 120 fans .... I mean FK120 fans used on the AK620 Cooler and Deepcool Assassin IV (also very good towers, higher-end looking than Thermalright's)

So the fans are pretty good to say the least.

FC120 is RGB version of FK120, and they as slightly worse like most RGB version of non-RGB fans

 

So, they are FKing good, then?     Good to know.   These DC AIOs are around $50 cheaper or more than the Arctic ARGB AIOs and $70 or more cheaper than the highly rated EK AIO.   For me, anyway.  

[freeagent]

18 minutes ago, Supersonicwolfe said:

also very good towers, higher-end looking than Thermalright's)

They might look nicer, but they don't perform nicer

[Stahlmann]

Need? No. Most people buy them because of flashy RGB. A big Air cooler will be good enough while being more reliable in the long term.

[Supersonicwolfe]

40 minutes ago, freeagent said:

They might look nicer, but they don't perform nicer

Well no need to be the #1, after all, the difference is like... 1 degree at best? or in other words, within variance so don't really matter.(Quite nice to see GN included error bars in their charts.)

It's targeted to people who want a nicer looking tower and good performance. As good as Noctua was, that brown fan is a turn off for me, I debated buying the black versions, but now with these much more competitive tower came out, it is hard to justify it...and the price...

[freeagent]

There is nothing made by Noctua right now that is worth buying.