I’m Staying on AMD!

[Other James]

Back in March Luke, Jake, and myself all switched over to AMD to test our resolve after renouncing the 40 series. So are we sticking with AMD, or did we go crawling back to Nvidia?

 

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[Cave_Johnson82]

Does anyone know why Linus is using speakers from like 2011 (seems like he's using corsair sp 2500). I mean they're not bad, but I thought Linus would use something ultra high-tech stuff, you know? (You can see them at 2:45 in the video)

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, Cave_Johnson82 said:

Does anyone know why Linus is using speakers from like 2011 (seems like he's using corsair sp 2500). I mean they're not bad, but I thought Linus would use something ultra high-tech stuff, you know? (You can see them at 2:45 in the video)

He likes them?  I mean when I asked him, he had a mouthful of beer so I couldn't really tell what he was saying.

 

That's code for "how the hell would we know?!"

[Bonnouji]

I've been using mine since May, and I haven't actually encountered any of these problems. The only problem is related to the league, when you press alt + tab, it can restart. So, a great card, IMHO

[AbydosOne]

FWIW, my last AMD card (5600XT) was weird, with POST failures and unrecoverable driver hangs, but the 6600 that XFX replaced it with (shoutout to XFX's three-year warrantee (at the time)) has been very stable ever since. Heck, my HD6870 was also great back in the day (which is to say, not that long ago as I was definitely running Win10 on it).

 

I guess I don't play enough games to really experience any of the same issues, but these three people (Linus, Jake, and Luke) are like the three worst data-points in any experiment ever...

[Arokhantos]

If you are using DDU make sure you use safemode, because files are in use may not be cleaned up without safe mode, without using safe mode you create more problems you solve.
AMD cleanup utility is quick easy it reboots into safe mode and cleans drivers easily, problem is tho it does not clean Nvidia drivers if you just switched.

 

WhatsApp desktop issues if what if had as well especially during video calls, mine where solved since 23.2.1 i guess they where using older drivers from before 23.2.1 , a temp fix for that was also disabling MPO however MPO is designed to reduce idle power consumption not just for GPU but also CPU and reduce latency.

 

Power consumption on my 7900 XTX its about 50-60w usually idle with AMD noise supression on if handled by cpu, if handled by GPU its about 100w tbp idle.

 

Windows Driver Updates also loves to corrupt AMD drivers highly recommend you disable it, unplugging internet before installing drivers does not help Microsoft will simply install them when you least expect it even while playing a game which results in blackscreen and driver corruption.

 

Heck in 2022 since 22.5.2 if had 8+ months driver issues till i had enough and just switched to Arch Linux suddenly i could game again and do video calls using signal, was not until 23.2.1 that drivers where finally use able again, i considered switched NVIDIA again getting a RTX 4090 then saw melting 12+4 pin issue popup a lot and got reminder that if had driver issue like 2+ years with NVIDIA that they refused to fix in world of warcraft, which is still an issue today which now exist 5+ years almost, not to mention all issues if had with gsync not working in some games or not working properly at all and causing instability when using fullscreen borderless.

 

So i upgraded from reference 6900 XT to a liquid devil 7900 XTX instead no regrets other then the insane pumpout issues with thermal paste which i fixed with PTM7950 about 58 days ago and shows no sign of degradation.

I do not have many issues anymore these days or at all, but im not gaming that much anymore.
I did have issue with Sons of the forest that the devs fixed them self rather then to rely on AMD to fix it cos they usually ignore it for like 1 and half year like with Valheim.

 

I hope LTT reads my feedback maybe do a part 3 in future maybe revisit see if experience changed, eitherway i think video is an eye opener for AMD hopefully, i would let them take the time to go thru it and make improvements i am sure they will.

Next year when there is driver level fluid motion via HYPR-RX is probably good time to check if experiences changed.

 

Also did twitch not also add AV1 support finally or was this limited test ?

 

Edit:

I also have had Luke's refresh rate issues, 1 game would trigger it and be stuck at 66hz freesync, fix was setting it down to 60hz then back to original refresh rate in my case 144hz, and using dxvk for the game that triggered it avoids the issue.

Also stopped using vsync only using enchanced sync and disabled vsync in game, way less issues this way but this used to be very broken in the past triggering many blackscreens, which thank god got fixed.

[Ultraforce]

The mention of memory issues reminds me that I probably should have not bought RAM that explicitly wasn't included as RAM compatible for my motherboard as all the issues happened after swapping the RAM from a supported stick to one that isn't officialy listed as supported.

[SammyTheBEAST]

I've had very similar problems as Luke with a 6800 XT that I bought earlier this year. Constant stuttering and the YouTube issue he mentioned. Really wishing I could return it, I've tried everything to fix it. A few months ago I just stuck my years old rtx 2060 in my brand new PC and everything works fine. Very disappointed that they are still recommending getting these cards despite all of the issues they've had with little upside over Nvidia (other than cost).

[Needfuldoer]

1 hour ago, Cave_Johnson82 said:

Does anyone know why Linus is using speakers from like 2011 (seems like he's using corsair sp 2500). I mean they're not bad, but I thought Linus would use something ultra high-tech stuff, you know? (You can see them at 2:45 in the video)

You answered your own question!  

[Vishera]

1 hour ago, SammyTheBEAST said:

I've had very similar problems as Luke with a 6800 XT that I bought earlier this year. Constant stuttering and the YouTube issue he mentioned. Really wishing I could return it, I've tried everything to fix it. A few months ago I just stuck my years old rtx 2060 in my brand new PC and everything works fine. Very disappointed that they are still recommending getting these cards despite all of the issues they've had with little upside over Nvidia (other than cost).

Take your experience with you r6800 XT and multiply that by tenfold - That was my experience with the R9 380 i used to have.

[mariushm]

Seriously .... how is Luke's experience comparable to how regular people use a video card?  Everybody has some odd cpu with bad connections PLUS uses a janky riser cable  PLUS uses an ancient power supply that's dubious quality... everybody uses a super expensive high end video card with outdated hardware

[themrsbusta]

Luke using a stinky riser and later saying that Radeon it has problems

For real?

 

 

[Arokhantos]

16 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Take your experience with you r6800 XT and multiply that by tenfold - That was my experience with the R9 380 i used to have.

 

If had a lot in 2022 with my 6900 XT i would've RMA'd my card if it was 10 times worse, i always believed it to be driver issue which why i even switched to linux at some point.

 

My biggest annoyances right now with AMD is skiping over feedback and dealing with it 1 and half year later.

Things i wanna see fixed/added

Open bug report feature request platform with upvote system.

Better idle power consumption.

HDR support for AMD relive recording or least tonemaping down to SDR preferably just HDR support.

Better FSR2 utilize AI

FSR3 as well as utilizing AI

Better optimization for RT, its the whole Tessellation BS all over again just add FSR4 to regain RT details that are lost at less performance penalty.

Utilizing AI more for games where it makes sense.

Maturer ROCm and create more new features instead of only chasing after NVIDIA.

 

I want NVIDIA to be afraid of AMD even more, so they finally fix their control panel from the stone age they been slacking off on for years now.

 

4 minutes ago, themrsbusta said:

Luke using a stinky riser and later saying Radeon that has problems

For real?

If been using riser for a long time without issue, when i had issues with drivers in 2022 if had both a riser and no riser, my issues started without a riser, i also switched to linux which made my problems go away, luke probably has no issues with he's riser unless its of low quality, pci-e 4.0 risers these days are all fine, i would do a PCI-E bandwith test in 3dmark you can see if its a problem or not, altho i do not know if there is a better way to check, some one from lab may know, might be interesting video testing multiple riser cables including Luke's riser cable.

[Geneleco]

Had a rx480, upgraded to a 5700xt, but that had a huge amount of issues, ended up returning it for a 2070s. That however wasnt perfect either, although better. Recently got a 6800xt and have had very few issues, no crashing, no driver issues. Only thing i wish radeon anti lag actually works and didnt make every game stutter

[themrsbusta]

4 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

If been using riser for a long time without issue, when i had issues with drivers in 2022 if had both a riser and no riser, my issues started without a riser, i also switched to linux which made my problems go away, luke probably has no issues with he's riser unless its of low quality, pci-e 4.0 risers these days are all fine, i would do a PCI-E bandwith test in 3dmark you can see if its a problem or not, altho i do not know if there is a better way to check, some one from lab may know, might be interesting video testing multiple riser cables including Luke's riser cable.

With a 7900 XTX? How much pcie power it uses your card? how much latency is needed? He created the problem, he put this card on the worst scenario ever.

This card was made to be put on the slot and he used a riser, is 100% his fault. You can see that only he had these problems...

[Arokhantos]

1 minute ago, themrsbusta said:

With a 7900 XTX? How much pcie power it uses your card? how much latency is needed? He created the problem, he put this card on the worst scenario ever.

This card was made to be put on the slot and he used a riser, is 100% his fault. You can see that only he had these problems...

 

1 riser cable unless that one he had was bad is not gonna cause issues.

[Middcore]

Been using RX 6000 series cards for about 2.5 years now, used an RX 5700 for about a year before that. Here are the issues I've experienced:

 

-There is a feature in the AMD graphics drivers called "ultra-low power state" which seems to have been designed to essentially put the second card in a Crossfire configuration into a power-sipping dormant state when it's not being utilized. Despite Crossfire being dead for all practical purposes, this "feature" is still in modern AMD drivers, or at least was until recently, and at one point last year I had a problem where somehow this "ULPS" was coming on and preventing the single card in my system from waking up. When I disabled ULPS in the registry the issue went away. AMD should just purge their drivers of anything meant for Crossfire at this point.

 

-The current (23.9.2 and 23.9.3) Adrenalin drivers have an issue with mouse stutter and freezes in Chromium-based browsers, and also if you have GPU rendering enabled in Steam web view. Turning off hardware acceleration in the browser and Steam "fixes" it. I have rolled back to 23.9.1 for the time being. There is active discussion about this on AMD's forums.

 

That is the sum total of the negative experiences I have had with AMD GPU's in 3.5 years of daily use. 

 

Of course, my positive anecdotal experiences will never be as valid as other people's negative anecdotal experiences, and all of the anecdotal problems people report here with their Nvidia GPU's never form into a "lol Nvidia" narrative for some reason.  

[MarkPol88]

10 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

Better idle power consumption.

I lost hope on that one - AMD claims they resolved the issue few drivers back, but mine 7900XT is still wasting 80W at idle...

On RTX 3070Ti with the same setup it was below 20W.

[themrsbusta]

4 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

 

1 riser cable unless that one he had was bad is not gonna cause issues.

22 days with the PC turned on, ended Spider Man, Spider Man Miles Morales, 4 Forza weekly challenges

 

Two Radeon on the same system

 

0 crashes. Deal with it, Luke's fault.

[Middcore]

6 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

 

1 riser cable unless that one he had was bad is not gonna cause issues.

 

I will say that "Have you tried it without the riser cable?" is one of the very first things anybody on this forum with any knowledge would suggest if someone came here and said they were having GPU issues and used a riser cable. 

[Arokhantos]

16 minutes ago, MarkPol88 said:

I lost hope on that one - AMD claims they resolved the issue few drivers back, but mine 7900XT is still wasting 80W at idle...

On RTX 3070Ti with the same setup it was below 20W.

 

I think they are experimenting if not they created a bug on my system that lowers tbp consumptions by a lot sometimes, but increases it at other times, if shared my bug report with them and suggested this feature that may help improve power consumption while on desktop.

The idle consumption mostly depends on how many screen updates happen on screen or whats on screen btw.

Feature i suggested only works with Freesync.

Radeon Chill Desktop only enabled at desktop

Freesync range at idle minimum of display for example 48hz in my case

Max freesync range for me 144hz but you could set it to 85 or 100hz, and it set refresh rate to 100hz while on desktop, while disengaging when firing up a game allowing for full 144hz.

idle timer amount of seconds it takes for it to trigger min freesync range when idle for example 0-30 seconds based on mouse movement.

 

Radeon Chill it self does not function with RSR while Radeon Chill desktop a seperate feature that requires freesync display can always work since RSR is only used in games anyway.

 

And yes you can set 60 hz on desktop but then your games are also 60 hz, having to change that before each game is annoying especially if you play all your games in fullscreen borderless

Btw if noticed that the only time if had driver time outs it was usually because game ran in fullscreen exclusive state.

The only games that need that for HDR is Elden Ring which still has driver time outs i believe, and MK11 which also has driver time outs both need fullscreen exclusive for HDR.

 

I think they can easily find a solution eitherway for the idle power consumption and even take it a step further.

Anyway my screen randomly drops to 97hz every couple of seconds but if i disable freesync it stops but idle consumption go's up a little.

 

Anyway if seen some one with dual G9 that is 5120x1440 @ 240 hz report that he only had 8w tbp idle, that is more then i have with 3840x1600 @ 144hz and 1 1080x1920 display at 60hz.

 

I think they just need a bigger driver team as well as bigger software team, like why they still not utilizing machine learning for games is just stupid, even NVIDIA does it FSR2 is still quite far behind especially on lower presets even at 4k or somewhat 4k

 

Anyway if seen my tbp idle in super rare times drop down to 30w even at idle while running wallpaper engine if no idea whats up with that, while sometimes have much higher utilization during video playback.

 

  

10 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

I will say that "Have you tried it without the riser cable?" is one of the very first things anybody on this forum with any knowledge would suggest if someone came here and said they were having GPU issues and used a riser cable. 

 

When i had driver issues i had no riser cable then decided to vertical gpu mount it cos its overall better on lifetime of the GPU cos the PCB near the PCI-E corner is very vunrable cos it has data lines near it, sagging can also  cause ripped solder pad joints bad connections on memory chips or gpu core in worse case condition, vertical gpu mount avoids these issues, and when watercooling you do not have to worry about thermals getting worse anyway.

If had a coolermaster PCI-E 4.0 24cm riser cable and i use a Thermal grizzly pci-e 4.0 30cm cable now, never had issues with it, its not always riser cable.

 

If had blackscreens that everyone reported on AMD subreddit.

Blackscreens during whatsapp desktop video call highly reproduce able within 1 minute under specific configuration probably even on older drivers right now, fixed in 23.2.1 for me atleast.

Random blackscreens while gaming.

All these issues if never had while on Linux like ever used for 3 months.

 

Luke may have had a bad riser cable tho but that does not mean its always the riser cable, such things should be tested.

I think you seem to forget they all 3 had issues luke had the most does not mean its because of a riser cable, its likely due he's power supply tho which he admitted was the issue.

[joeygreco1985]

 

 

Serious question, whats the main benefit to going with an AMD card nowadays other than the cost? Like I'm watching this video and at the end Luke says "There might be some minor issues but theres a lot of benefits." What are they? 

 

I think it really comes down to whether you deem the DLSS suite of features and Ray Tracing to be worth the extra cost of an Nvidia card nowadays. If you think you can go without them then pay less for an AMD card. 

 

 

[SeraphX2]

I've had game crash issues with Discord and Steam, where the game crashing takes out both of them as well. I also previously thought Video Card, but this also has happened in the past on my RTX 2060. I upgraded to a RX6700XT about 3 months ago, and have had the same problem crop up. I believe Discord crashing might be more related to audio issues. And I think this, because I also run a program called SoundSwitcher, and many times when this type of crash happens that takes out Discord and Steam, it will also take out SoundSwitcher with it as well.

[joeygreco1985]

7 minutes ago, SeraphX2 said:

I've had game crash issues with Discord and Steam, where the game crashing takes out both of them as well. I also previously thought Video Card, but this also has happened in the past on my RTX 2060. I upgraded to a RX6700XT about 3 months ago, and have had the same problem crop up. I believe Discord crashing might be more related to audio issues. And I think this, because I also run a program called SoundSwitcher, and many times when this type of crash happens that takes out Discord and Steam, it will also take out SoundSwitcher with it as well.

 

It sounds like the problem may be related to your audio device if it's taking multiple apps down with it. 

 

[Arokhantos]

Discord always closes when gpu driver times out, i have friends with AMD gpu both on steam and discord and i can tell when their gpu driver crashed when they go offline only on discord