Intel Arc A380 at $100, with AC Mirage and Nightingale...

[Agall]

I know I'm a fanboy of the Intel Arc A380 due to its host of features at what's generally an e-waste tier price, but come on, this is entirely worth it if you were planning to buy the new Assassin's Creed Mirage game and/or this Nightingale game (TBH I'm unfamiliar with either title).

 

ASRock Challenger Arc A380 Video Card A380 CLI 6G OC - Newegg.com

 

 

If you don't have a spare card or want an AV1 capable card, then why not spend another $40 to get this card?

[Skipple]

Honestly with a HDMI 2.0b port, this would make a very nice card for a HTPC, if not pretty overkill. I can't think of a better card for the purpose for the price. The game bundle is just killer. If nothing else, buy at for the game and sell it on eBay as new for $80.

[Agall]

17 minutes ago, Skipple said:

Honestly with a HDMI 2.0b port, this would make a very nice card for a HTPC, if not pretty overkill. I can't think of a better card for the purpose for the price.

It's a very useful spare card for that reason. Its only major limitation is that it requires an 8 pin to POST, but is still only a 75W card.

 

I've tested some games with it and its at least capable of running them effectively, having 6GB of VRAM puts it in another class compared to the other $100-$150 cards. Its more comparable to a xx50ti or xx60 tier card than the xx30 or xx50 price tier it falls in.

 

I might pick up the A770 16GB version finally for this bundle, but I'll have to look more into the games. I've been eyeing the Acer card since its an almost standard height, 10.5" card with a blower design that has enough VRAM to run 4K comfortably.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

16 minutes ago, Skipple said:

Honestly with a HDMI 2.0b port, this would make a very nice card for a HTPC, if not pretty overkill. I can't think of a better card for the purpose for the price. The game bundle is just killer. If nothing else, buy at for the game and sell it on eBay as new for $80.

Not a bad thought tbh

[Agall]

1 minute ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Not a bad thought tbh

[GuiltySpark_]

Well that was impulse buy territory. Why not. 

[OU812]

Wish it was the low pro version but killer price.

[Skipple]

1 hour ago, OU812 said:

Wish it was the low pro version but killer price.

Has this actually gone on sale? This might be a good GPU for transcoding on my Plex server. Looks like ASRock released one but I haven't seen this anywhere.

[Agall]

12 hours ago, Skipple said:

Has this actually gone on sale? This might be a good GPU for transcoding on my Plex server. Looks like ASRock released one but I haven't seen this anywhere.

The low profile version is relatively new, but I haven't seen any available. It might end up like the A310 and be OEM only.

 

ASRock > Intel Arc A380 Low Profile 6GB

 

I'd like to pick up the next generation of such since it fits into my requirements for the perfect 'drop in' dGPU. No aux power, low profile, 1-2 slots. 

 

I think its worth supporting Intel Arc so hopefully it stays alive. They've so far done good work and my hope is we start seeing their fabs produce the dies versus TSMC.

[Skipple]

1 hour ago, Agall said:

ASRock > Intel Arc A380 Low Profile 6GB

Yeah this is exactly the page I was looking at, but even their "where to buy" links don't actually lead anywhere I can buy it. The GPU was "launched" almost 2 months ago, but I can't find a single retailor who carried it. Odd. 

[Agall]

9 minutes ago, Skipple said:

Yeah this is exactly the page I was looking at, but even their "where to buy" links don't actually lead anywhere I can buy it. The GPU was "launched" almost 2 months ago, but I can't find a single retailor who carried it. Odd. 

A few months old, but some discussion I had regarding this GPU. The system shown now has an RX 6600 and the Arc A380 ended up back in my 3950x home theater system, which flip flops between that card and a GT 1030 simply to get a display output. I don't have photos of it in that system, but it's a bastard of a rig, being in a Silverstone SG13 with a Hyper 212, and front mounted ATX power supply. The A380 barely fits, but does in fact fit, and does a good job at playing esport titles at 4K.

 

Practically speaking, having AV1 encoding, quad display outputs, 6GB of VRAM, capable 1080p performance, mITX length, are each qualities that make it stand out in the price category for a new part. You can also support Intel while you're at it in hopes they keep making dGPUs.

[IkeaGnome]

18 hours ago, Agall said:

If you don't have a spare card or want an AV1 capable card, then why not spend another $40 to get this card?

Both games were on my potential "to buy" list. Got this card in a combo with a 12600k for downsizing my NAS from dual 2699 v4s. 

 

I'm waiting to see how this is handled. it almost looks like I got 2 sets of keys, but we'll see what actually shows up.

Spoiler

 

[Agall]

12 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Both games were on my potential "to buy" list. Got this card in a combo with a 12600k for downsizing my NAS from dual 2699 v4s. 

 

I'm waiting to see how this is handled. it almost looks like I got 2 sets of keys, but we'll see what actually shows up.

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If your NAS can operate off of a 13100f, then its worth considering over the 12600k, being a $120 part. If you're using QuickSync for anything and therefore want the iGPU, then I'd agree that the 12600k at $185 is by far the best option.

 

I've considered buying one myself to swap out this 12100f in that Asrock Deskmeet in the other thread with some 'interesting' mods, which include modification to support a 120mm AIO. The B660 board that comes in that chassis can handle it, but obviously the whole purpose of that original configuration was 'value'. So far it has an RX 6600 instead and I had to swap the included PSU for an SFX one just to give greater internal volume for the extra heat. I've also had to install a slim 92mm fan just to keep it from overheating with the RX 6600.

 

I personally believe LGA 1700 to be one of the best sockets Intel has come out with. I believe it's now confirmed that Intel 14th generation will be on LGA 1700 as well. Overall giving me AM4 vibes, although I wouldn't expect 15th generation to be on it.

Intel's next-gen CPUs will stay on LGA 1700 socket | PCWorld

[IkeaGnome]

12 minutes ago, Agall said:

If your NAS can operate off of a 13100f, then its worth considering over the 12600k, being a $120 part. If you're using QuickSync for anything and therefore want the iGPU, then I'd agree that the 12600k at $185 is by far the best option.

13400 was what was in my cart for it before. My nas unfortunately pulls quite a bit of double duty so having a little bit more computer power than the 13100 is fairly necessary. It just doesn't need 44 cores of power or to take up the size of a 44 core machine. 

As for why I went LGA 1700, it was mostly due to having a spare LGA 1700 motherboard. 

The Arc A380 will free up a graphics card that's in that machine now to go back into my F@H machine for the event coming up. 

18 minutes ago, Agall said:

Overall giving me AM4 vibes, although I wouldn't expect 15th generation to be on it.

We'll see when LGA 1851 comes out. I doubt Intel is going to go with that much backwards/forwards compatibility but we can all hope. 

[Agall]

7 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

13400 was what was in my cart for it before. My nas unfortunately pulls quite a bit of double duty so having a little bit more computer power than the 13100 is fairly necessary. It just doesn't need 44 cores of power or to take up the size of a 44 core machine. 

As for why I went LGA 1700, it was mostly due to having a spare LGA 1700 motherboard. 

The Arc A380 will free up a graphics card that's in that machine now to go back into my F@H machine for the event coming up. 

We'll see when LGA 1851 comes out. I doubt Intel is going to go with that much backwards/forwards compatibility but we can all hope. 

I despised Intel for what they did from 6th gen through 11th gen, where they primarily sat on their hands because of a lack of competition from AMD. That was only solved when Ryzen 3000 series launched, which forced Intel to start catching up.

 

Ideally though, they don't improve so much to make AMD's flagships obsolete, which they have the power to do entirely. The simple fact that Intel is keeping up with AMD while on 10nm versus AMD's current 5nm/6nm MCM fab with TSMC is worrying.

 

Just imagine how absurd the 13900k/14900k would be if it was on 5nm. There'd be no competition. MCM and AMD's Ryzen architecture likely only keeps up because its always on a better fabrication, something we're seeing right now with 5nm RX 7000 vs RTX 4000. The fact that Nvidia doesn't have to release but one card with their best/biggest die, the RTX 4090, which isn't even close to maximum performance for the AD102 being a demonstration of that.

[IkeaGnome]

1 hour ago, Agall said:

Ideally though, they don't improve so much to make AMD's flagships obsolete, which they have the power to do entirely. The simple fact that Intel is keeping up with AMD while on 10nm versus AMD's current 5nm/6nm MCM fab with TSMC is worrying.

It's not that worrying. Think of it this way, horsepower isn't everything. You and I could start with the same car engine and go about different ways to add horsepower. While you might do intake, injectors, turbo etc I might just ram enough NOS through the engine to get the same effective horsepower. With Intel's stagnation it seems to have made sense for them to take more of a "brute force NOS route."

 

 

[Agall]

9 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

It's not that worrying. Think of it this way, horsepower isn't everything. You and I could start with the same car engine and go about different ways to add horsepower. While you might do intake, injectors, turbo etc I might just ram enough NOS through the engine to get the same effective horsepower. With Intel's stagnation it seems to have made sense for them to take more of a "brute force NOS route."

 

 

If Nvidia kept the same binning scheme for RTX 4000 series that they had in RTX 3000 series, even at their current pricing, it would be a bloodbath right now between RTX 4000 and RX 7000. 

 

To put it into perspective, the RTX 4090 is the only AD102 consumer GPU and its bin falls between the RTX 3080 12GB and RTX 3080ti. 

 

You'd have practically RTX 4090 OC'd performance at $1200 instead of the RTX 4080 which is equivalent to an RTX 3070 in binning.

 

I go into a lot of detail on how I come to that conclusion in this thread. All it would've taken for Nvidia to make RDNA3 meaningless would've been a more consumer friendly binning scheme.

 

[IkeaGnome]

11 minutes ago, Agall said:

If Nvidia kept the same binning scheme for RTX 4000 series that they had in RTX 3000 series, even at their current pricing, it would be a bloodbath right now between RTX 4000 and RX 7000. 

 

Yes, that 100% has anything to do with Intel and AMD....

 

1 hour ago, Agall said:

The simple fact that Intel is keeping up with AMD while on 10nm versus AMD's current 5nm/6nm MCM fab with TSMC is worrying.

 

[Agall]

36 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Yes, that 100% has anything to do with Intel and AMD....

 

 

I think its a relevant topic since they're both on a TSMC 5nm process but one has a generally better performing architecture and is monolithic versus MCM.

 

Its a similar dichotomy to Intel's 13th generation and Ryzen 7000 series, except Ryzen 7000 is on 5nm versus 13th gen's 10nm, yet are on par in terms of performance. In my opinion, that either shows a limitation of MCM and/or Intel's superior design.

 

The idea being that if Intel had a 5nm chip with their architecture, there wouldn't be competition, just like how the 7900 XT/XTX wouldn't be competitive at their price point if an equivalent bin to the RTX 3080 was priced at even $1200 USD versus what's practically an RTX 3070 equivalent at $1200 USD. Per RTX 3000 series binning scheme, the RTX 4090 would be between $800 and $1200 USD.

 

Intel hopefully is able to keep up in terms of performance, because Nvidia is making it easy for them. Overall it's probably best for the market, but I doubt that's Nvidia's intent. They're likely just maintaining a reasonable gap over the competition and last generation and binning+pricing accordingly. They're even willing to sell tiny dies with a 128bit bus at $500 USD to maintain that gap.