Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[Ferkner]

10 hours ago, imreloadin said:

 

We're all *dying* to hear that classic "we're the victim" spin that Linus has been using so often as of late.

 

I also think it's hilarious how they got blasted for monetizing the apology video and have effectively done it with this one by pay-walling it behind their Floatplane subscription.

Is the same statement that was put out by LMG to the tech "press". You're not missing anything. 

[vorg.eth]

2 minutes ago, Sasha2D said:

 

I like how there isn't even sexual abuse allegations against any specific person and you are crying about clout chasing. 

lmao. I like how you think that the generalized nature of the complaint is evidence she ISN’T clout chasing. 

[Distinctly Average]

36 minutes ago, Kisai said:

You can't make a policy with no experience as to why that policy needs to exist or any ability to identify what the policy is saying.

 

Like work for any big company, they will usually print out a half inch thick book of polices that most employees will just toss in the bottom drawer of their desk, unread. The company will have you sign something that says "Yes I read, and agree to this".

 

Here's a specific example from one place I worked.

 

So on TWO separate occasions, women were harassed by someone for dress code violations. So the manager, literately came to the person's desk with a tape measure. For one, the lady is just tall, and nothing came of it, but the lady herself was insulted and offended that the complaint was made. This is the kind of thing that happens when you have a policy in place that people use as TO harass people. In the other case, the lady came to work in what I'd call a "party dress" and left crying in tears.

 

Dress code is supposed to exist for YOUR SAFETY, and some professionalism reasons when meeting with clients. If your workplace has a "jeans friday" then there is no reason why every day can't be Jeans Friday. That means the dress code is BS. There is a difference between having dress code that says "you must wear clean clothing that at least comes to you knees and elbows, without any brands/logos"  and one that says "no skirts shorter than 24 inches", because the latter is absolutely targeting women for harassment.

 

I nearly got sacked once. Long story but myself and 8 other colleagues were on a training course at a third parties company. We were being trained on their products so we could train our own teams to maintain them. One of their directors looked into the training room and saw someone wearing shorts. A couple of days later all 8 of us were one by one asked to come in and told if we didn't tell them who was wearing the shorts that day we would be sacked. In the end none of us admitted to it, or said who it was because not one of us knew. We were all bought into a meeting and this time we had a union rep. We were told we had risked the contract and our company reputation. We were told this was gross misconduct and we would all be sacked if nobody owned up. Union rep was having none of it. Turned out what the other companies director saw was the window cleaner and not any of us. 

 

My point here is that there is always another story. It is so easy for people to go into defensive mode, throw accusations and go way over the top. It is never as black and white as it seems and I wonder if this is the case here. I also suspect Madison may have had beef, but is young and probably has never had to deal with many of the normal things that goes on in life, let alone the work place. I also suspect that over the last one and a half years, the facts have changed in her mind somewhat. Now I am not denigrating what may or may not have happened in any way. Really the only way forward here is for a full investigation and not trial by internet. 

 

Sad thing here is there are and will be no winners. Some in this thread want instant answers, but that is never going to happen. Others want to hate LMG or just Linus, others want to hate Madison. It really is a sad state of affairs.

[Sasha2D]

Oh wow. A company full of young tech bros. It is COMPLETLEY impossible that they could be sexually inappropriate.  

[Mezzama]

55 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

can you link the other employee statements? i believe you I just want to update my friend who is also interested in this situation

I stumbled upon these this morning. I was rooting for LMG to get a kick in the butt but now I am praying none of these allegations are true. While I don't support what LTT has done, I don't hate them or wish any illwill. I suspect the third party won't find anything, but it doesn't look good either. My question is if work environment was/is so bad for women, I HIGHLY doubt Yvonne and other females would have been ok with it.  The whole thing stinks, and just like many things I bet the truth falls somewhere in the middle. 

 

[HesCalledTheStig]

1 minute ago, Ferkner said:

Is the same statement that was put out by LMG to the tech "press". You're not missing anything. 

I'm not sure why they decided to lock it on float plane.  Kinda odd.

[mMontana]

3 minutes ago, 1982 Original said:

Stop quoting me in an effort enforce your views on my opinion and I’ll stop stating them. I’m not interested in your virtue signaling. If you continue to quote me, I’ll continue to respond. The balls in your court to leave it alone. 

I'm quoting you because I'm responding to your words, not to anyone.

 

Again, as I said, I'm not looking for stating none of the two opinions, only stating facts. And IMVHO is quite pointless try to piss me you fill the urge to answer. I don't want to play the goat fight of who bash harder the opponent head. 

[yoc]

10 minutes ago, dbeckwith0211 said:

Sorry trying to get caught up. Where did you get this information?

...and...

 

The meeting is a re-post, it was posted in the sub about 6 months ago but was mostly ignored/down-voted like a lot of the stuff related to the Madison's departure. 

[HesCalledTheStig]

2 minutes ago, yoc said:

...and...

 

The meeting is a re-post, it was posted in the sub about 6 months ago but was mostly ignored/down-voted like a lot of the stuff related to the Madison's departure. 

But neither of these give any DEFINITIVE information.  It's all left to assumption.  

[1982 Original]

2 minutes ago, mMontana said:

I'm quoting you because I'm responding to your words, not to anyone.

 

Again, as I said, I'm not looking for stating none of the two opinions, only stating facts. And IMVHO is quite pointless try to piss me you fill the urge to answer. I don't want to play the goat fight of who bash harder the opponent head. 

Your quoting me because you think your opinion is more valid that mine. And because your ego won’t let you leave it alone. Sorry, real life doesn’t work like you want it to where you always get the last word. Again, balls in your court to leave it alone. 

[vorg.eth]

2 minutes ago, wanderingfool2 said:

If the 3rd party investigator had any integrity, they would attempt to interview every ex-employee.  If lets say the 3rd party isn't allowed to though, then it should be noted in their report as well.

 

There's actually a few specific ex-employees that come to mind that I think would need to be interviewed.

Max - Seems like she left on good terms, but the CSF video where she talks about not being re-imbursed at all for the manicures (when she was the hand model); that sort of thing needs to be investigated as it would lead credence to not following at least some standard practices

Female employee who had blasted LTT on twitter - I can't find the tweet, but I know it exists of an employee (maybe 4-6 years ago) on twitter...iirc there was some glaring things that would match Madison's events.

HR professionals are well aware that the account of ex-employees will be biased junk. 
 

A proper lawsuit would reveal all. And a judge could stop her tweetstorming. 
 

This is a typical case of a person trying to win in the eye of the public because they have no legal or moral basis for their position. 
 

That’s the Occam’s razor version of what happened and that’s the best guess we have until a legal truth is determined. 
 

It’s a shame these sick minded people are trying to destroy #MeToo through mutiny.  Similar to the occupy wallstreet movement being maliciously morphed into the freedom caucus. 
 

I bet Suop still worships JK Rowling. 

[Sasha2D]

8 minutes ago, vorg.eth said:

I bet Suop still worships JK Rowling. 

 

I highly doubt it.

[vorg.eth]

8 minutes ago, Sasha2D said:

Oh wow. A company full of young tech bros. It is COMPLETLEY impossible that they could be sexually inappropriate.  

The problem is you project a belief that it is the default. 
 

You are prejudiced and frankly muddying the conversation by blindly supporting the accuser; whom has provided no actual proof. 

 

Try to be better. 

[HesCalledTheStig]

3 minutes ago, vorg.eth said:

The problem is you project a belief that it is the default. 
 

You are prejudiced and frankly muddying the conversation by blindly supporting the accuser; whom has provided no actual proof. 

 

Try to be better. 

The Techbros thing is definitely prejudiced.  I was gonna say the same but decided to keep my trap shut for once lol.

 

But as for Madison not having proof, as much as I am trying to be impartial, she has at least had other employees confirm some of her claims.  We dont know which claims but we know other past employees confirm.

[Sasha2D]

1 hour ago, vorg.eth said:

The problem is you project a belief that it is the default. 
 

You are prejudiced and frankly muddying the conversation by blindly supporting the accuser; whom has provided no actual proof. 

 

Try to be better. 

 

Nah it seems plausible. 110 people in a startup that is mostly young tech bro gamers?  You just don't want to think of your le epic funny tech channel as a company that could be a negative work environment for women. 

 

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[wanderingfool2]

2 minutes ago, vorg.eth said:

HR professionals are well aware that the account of ex-employees will be biased junk. 
 

A proper lawsuit would reveal all. And a judge could stop her tweetstorming. 
 

This is a typical case of a person trying to win in the eye of the public because they have no legal or moral basis for their position. 
 

That’s the Occam’s razor version of what happened and that’s the best guess we have until a legal truth is determined. 
 

It’s a shame these sick minded people are trying to destroy #MeToo through mutiny.  Similar to the occupy wallstreet movement being maliciously morphed into the freedom caucus. 
 

I bet Suop still worships JK Rowling. 

You are the reason why so many people have issues coming forward with sexual assault allegations.

 

Your response really smells of someone  who never has actually witnessed what happens when someone faces SH (or someone who always just says "they were joking").  If there was clear evidence what she said was false, then sure, BUT we don't know that.  Until the 3rd party really audits it, we won't have many answers in regards to who may or may not be in the right.

 

There are still a bunch of industries that essentially have a bunch of misogynistic people in it, and the tech sector is unfortunately one of them.

 

Do you know what is biased, current employees who know if they speak against their employee there is a chance the company folds/downsizes and they are out of a job.

[Mr. Rabbit]

14 minutes ago, yoc said:

...and...

 

The meeting is a re-post, it was posted in the sub about 6 months ago but was mostly ignored/down-voted like a lot of the stuff related to the Madison's departure. 

Does the leaked meeting even have an official date?
Because I can get a random audio from WhatsApp without context, say it's from another date and say "yeah, he told me that the day after that thing happened".

 

We're just taking at face value a random Reddit account, who says he's the alt of an account that was banned sitewide, who says he's a journalist with contact with people inside LTT, that released an excerpt of an audio, in which they are having a meeting at LTT discussing the normal steps to take on how to handle interpersonal drama.

 

We don't know if it's relating to Madison, if it was on the date the user says it was, we don't know the validity of it.

 

I'd take all info outside the video with a grain of salt.
What we hear is a boring meeting detailing the steps to take to solve interpersonal issues, and James doing a stupid joke.

 

I'd say we need to just wait for the investigation results and go from there

[kwaiasaki]

11 minutes ago, StevesHair said:

Gender and race quotas lead to lesser performance. 

 

This is demonstrably false, and there is literature to prove this. At best, diversity quotas increase performance, at worse, they do nothing. In either case, there is absolutely no research to claim that it leads to lesser performance.

 

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[Booch121]

1 minute ago, vorg.eth said:

I disagree. She gives off zealous TERF energy. 

WHAT???? WHAT IS BRO SPOUTING RN

[HesCalledTheStig]

1 minute ago, Sasha2D said:

 

Nah it seems plausible. 110 people in a startup that is mostly young tech bro gamers?  You just don't want to think of your le epic funny tech channel as a company that could be a negative work environment for women. 

 

Touch grass and try to be better.

But she knew she was joining a "techbro" company.  By your word's, shouldn't she have known what was coming?

 

I'm not justifying anything that happened but this is what your "techbro" theory sounds like.

[itshurleytime]

Just now, HesCalledTheStig said:

The Techbros thing is definitely prejudiced.  I was gonna say the same but decided ti keep my trap shut for once lol.

 

But as for Madison not having proof, as much as I am trying to be impartial, she has at least had other employees confirm some of her claims.  We dont know which claims but we know other past employees confirm.

She had one employee confirm hearing unspecified things, and another showing support for her by liking her tweets. Her claims are wide-ranging, many of them happen at fast-paced, high-productivity companies and are fairly innocuous (like some people not being able to do as much work as is asked of them and getting stressed out about it).

[DJ3thenew23]

8 minutes ago, vorg.eth said:

HR professionals are well aware that the account of ex-employees will be biased junk. 
 

A proper lawsuit would reveal all. And a judge could stop her tweetstorming. 
 

This is a typical case of a person trying to win in the eye of the public because they have no legal or moral basis for their position. 
 

That’s the Occam’s razor version of what happened and that’s the best guess we have until a legal truth is determined. 
 

It’s a shame these sick minded people are trying to destroy #MeToo through mutiny.  Similar to the occupy wallstreet movement being maliciously morphed into the freedom caucus. 
 

I bet Suop still worships JK Rowling. 

How would a lawsuit reveal all? Genuine question, if there's nothing recorded it's not like a lawsuit would make it suddenly appear or make a definitive determination that can't happen otherwise. You act like courts are infallible, like there's never been an overturned decision anywhere at any time.

 

Also hilarious you pretend to care about MeToo even though you're the type of person to always discredit claims no matter what evidence they have. You're a sick and disgusting "person".

[vorg.eth]

1 minute ago, Sasha2D said:

 

Nah it seems plausible. 110 people in a startup that is mostly young tech bro gamers?  You just don't want to think of your le epic funny tech channel as a company that could be a negative work environment for women. 

 

Touch grass and try to be better.

You can probably find some free Bias Recognition training courses on LinkedIn.  If you want, I’ll find some for you and send em your way. It may help you remain impartial in future civil conflicts. 

[Sasha2D]

9 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

But she knew she was joining a "techbro" company.  By your word's, shouldn't she have known what was coming?

 

I'm not justifying anything that happened but this is what your "techbro" theory sounds like.

 

I'll take "victim blaming" for 500 alex

[HesCalledTheStig]

1 minute ago, itshurleytime said:

She had one employee confirm hearing unspecified things, and another showing support for her by liking her tweets. Her claims are wide-ranging, many of them happen at fast-paced, high-productivity companies and are fairly innocuous (like some people not being able to do as much work as is asked of them and getting stressed out about it).

Thats what I said.  We dont KNOW what the employee confirmed.  Just that something she said was true from his recollection.