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7 minutes ago, mikaelus said:

So, basically, he said she told him the same story. Waw... talk about evidence, lol.

It means that she hasn't added anything to the story, and has stuck with it for years. Adds credibility.

 

Most people who lie about things like this always add more and more to the lie as they go on

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1 minute ago, Booch121 said:

It means that she hasn't added anything to the story, and has stuck with it for years. Adds credibility.

 

Most people who lie about things like this always add more and more to the lie as they go on

Absolutely!

 

The important part, however, is for people to not confuse his statement supporting that her statements have remained consistent with corroboration.  He very clearly did not say that he had witnessed, or experienced the things she posted about.  That doesn't mean he hasn't, but he didn't say he had, and there is a very clear difference there.

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3 minutes ago, Booch121 said:

It means that she hasn't added anything to the story, and has stuck with it for years. Adds credibility.

 

Most people who lie about things like this always add more and more to the lie as they go on

Is there any chance she didn't lie?

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1 minute ago, RatKnight said:

Absolutely!

 

The important part, however, is for people to not confuse his statement supporting that her statements have remained consistent with corroboration.  He very clearly did not say that he had witnessed, or experienced the things she posted about.  That doesn't mean he hasn't, but he didn't say he had, and there is a very clear difference there.

Neither former-employees also even tried defending LTT at all, which i think says something.

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1 minute ago, HenrySalayne said:

 

She defamed which persons exactly? Pro Tip: You only need zero hands to count this number with your fingers.

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https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/corporation-law#:~:text=The Nature of a Corporation,-A corporation has&text=A corporation has separate legal,manner as a natural person.

 

aka corporations are people.

 

I am not saying she defamed anyone, if her statements are provable and true, there is 0 chance of defamation (and to be clear, I think it would be stupid for LMG to sue her, I am merely stating it is a possiblity)

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1 minute ago, Cosmic Emotion said:

Is there any chance she didn't lie?

At this point no one knows the full truth so both sides SHOULD be given the benefit of the doubt.

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the nonsense people believe is magical in the West. So LTT is in the heat and VERY conveniently, she speak out about toxic work environment(always the excuse for weak links in a company), and then pulls the sexual harassment card. Not sus at all

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38 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

Character assassination works both ways. She could just as easily be to blame. We don’t know. I’m sure there won’t be any attempt from LMG to slander or assassinate her  character. They have too much at stake and the backlash would be career ending. 

 

It will depend on who and when.

 

Like if it was Linus, personally doing it, that's BAD. If it was someone else (take a look at the team page) that we never see on camera, that's probably worse, because there will be no recorded evidence.

 

There is 89 people ( https://linusmediagroup.com/our-team ), maybe 10 are women. By any gender diversity argument alone, that is an extremely poor ratio, and likely why any complaints got dismissed. Now if you go look at the roles of the women, other than Yvonne (who we've rarely seen on camera), have we seen anyone else regularly? No.

 

Which means there is some kind of company culture problem of either not hiring or bean-counting reasons not to have the female staff on screen for some reason. This results in a lot of under-communication, clearly.

 

And when a company runs in the other direction (eg high F to M ratio) usually the problem is over-communication, where a lot of meetings and contacts are done to plan things, but then nothing actually gets done because the meetings and instant messages/emails take time and attention away from doing the work that actually makes money for the company.

 

You need to decide at some point to do something about correcting a gender imbalance once you have more than 10 staff, because you can't be having mandatory all-hands meetings of 100 staff, nor can you have everyone off working in their little corner unsupervised without anyone to report to.

 

When someone is unwilling to report things, it's either because they know it will accomplish nothing, or because they fear something, or both.

 

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1 minute ago, Booch121 said:

Neither former-employees also even tried defending LTT at all, which i think says something.

Or it means nothing and you are assuming?

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9 minutes ago, Booch121 said:

she literally said she didn't attempt to because she would be harassed about why. ur so weird

She literally claims that she cut her leg open because of a reaction she *anticipated*, but never actually attempted to call out. She just went straight for the knife. "They MIGHT deny my sick day, but I don't know that for sure, I didn't attempt to call out. Where is my knife? I need to do something extreme." It makes no sense.

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1 minute ago, Cosmic Emotion said:

Is there any chance she didn't lie?

Honestly, i think 60% chance she's telling the truth and 40% chance she isn't. 

LTT is obviously morally bankrupt, and Linus himself is an absolute narcissist. There's so many cases of abuse of women in the gaming and tech industry that its not even out of this world to say that Madison gotted treated that badly.

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1 minute ago, Kisai said:

 

It will depend on who and when.

 

Like if it was Linus, personally doing it, that's BAD. If it was someone else (take a look at the team page) that we never see on camera, that's probably worse, because there will be no recorded evidence.

 

There is 89 people ( https://linusmediagroup.com/our-team ), maybe 10 are women. By any gender diversity argument alone, that is an extremely poor ratio, and likely why any complaints got dismissed. Now if you go look at the roles of the women, other than Yvonne (who we've rarely seen on camera), have we seen anyone else regularly? No.

 

Which means there is some kind of company culture problem of either not hiring or bean-counting reasons not to have the female staff on screen for some reason. This results in a lot of under-communication, clearly.

 

And when a company runs in the other direction (eg high F to M ratio) usually the problem is over-communication, where a lot of meetings and contacts are done to plan things, but then nothing actually gets done because the meetings and instant messages/emails take time and attention away from doing the work that actually makes money for the company.

 

You need to decide at some point to do something about correcting a gender imbalance once you have more than 10 staff, because you can't be having mandatory all-hands meetings of 100 staff, nor can you have everyone off working in their little corner unsupervised without anyone to report to.

 

When someone is unwilling to report things, it's either because they know it will accomplish nothing, or because they fear something, or both.

 

Is it gender imbalance or just hiring the best person for the job though?  

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1 minute ago, castlev said:

She literally claims that cut her leg open because of a reaction she *anticipated*, but never actually attempted to call out. She just went straight for the knife. "They MIGHT deny my sick day, but I don't know that for sure, I didn't attempt to call out. Where is my knife? I need to do something extreme." It makes no sense.

She never said they would deny her sick day. She said that all of her other sick days resulted in her getting harassed about why.

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1 hour ago, Arika said:

I've read their statement a few times about the Madison stuff and now in this answer...I wonder if they contacted Madison to ask her "hey, we're doing a full investigation into what happened, would you be ok if we publish the findings publicly?"

They don't need her permission unless they publish PII or descriptions of specific events regarding her.

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2 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

What a bunch of condescending BS! You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

It's laughable what people come up with to "protect Madison from herself".

Madison has the right to express her thoughts, feelings and experiences without an legal implications.

 

100% agree.   People saying that her having had issues means she must be lying is very ... "You were asking for it by wearing that low cut dress".   You know what I mean?   It is people projecting the experiences they've had with women onto Madison.   Standard late adolescent/young adult angst at wondering if anyone will like them, or for being judged for who / what they like.   Maybe tinged with some mental issues on both sides.  This is not that.   

 

2 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Defamation is something completely different. It requires a false assertion of fact. And good luck proving that in court.

Especially since now another former LMG employee has come forward saying he remembers her, and what she dealt with.   That this broke at 5 ish AM US Eastern time.

 

Collin DUBMFG on Twitter. 

 That someone else remembers this pretty much shows that the broad strokes of it are true.  For legal reasons IF she made it very clear that she was not down with the activities going on then LMG is in the wrong. 

 

2 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

 

It would be nice if the choir of people screeching "defamation lawsuit" and "Madison is in legal trouble now" could stop. Spreading misinformation trying to scare people speaking up is despicable.

 

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2 minutes ago, castlev said:

She literally claims that cut her leg open because of a reaction she *anticipated*, but never actually attempted to call out. She just went straight for the knife. "They MIGHT deny my sick day, but I don't know that for sure, I didn't attempt to call out. Where is my knife? I need to do something extreme." It makes no sense.

its weird because she says she cut herself to get the day off.  Why?  So she could sit in the hospital getting stitched all day?  That doesn't seem like a great day off to me.  I think there is more to the story.  Could be in her favor, could be in LMG's.  We may never know.

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11 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

It's laughable what people come up with to "protect Madison from herself".

Madison has the right to express her thoughts, feelings and experiences without an legal implications.

 

Defamation is something completely different. It requires a false assertion of fact. And good luck proving that in court.

 

It would be nice if the choir of people screeching "defamation lawsuit" and "Madison is in legal trouble now" could stop. Spreading misinformation trying to scare people speaking up is despicable.

 

It ever occurred to you that legal implications are not the only consequence Madison might face over her posts? She is basically connecting her social media presence to LTT and LMG permanently with this. If she was annoyed by the level of comments and messages she got before the post - what do you think will happen now?

 

She has all the rights to express her feelings, her thoughts, and of course also the claims that she posted. Actually I'm glad she did, because I like to live in a world where this is possible.

 

But considering the stuff she wrote, especially her mental health, how she struggled coping with the situation at time and afterwards, how she is struggling with it now - I doubt that it was wise for her own sake to do what she did.

 

The internet is the internet, we're all in it for the story. Next week the next thing will happen, and in two weeks, the thing of next week will be old news, and in three weeks, the things of this week will only be relevant for the people involved. But it will be in her timeline forever, the LTT-mob will treat her even more as an enemy in the time to come. Unless she has a very very good plan what to make out of this, I doubt she did herself a favor.

 

Steve just decided he wants to be the moral judge of tech, so this is just attention for him. More traffic. More subscribers. That is perfectly fine, in dubio pro reo, he probably has the level of integrity and professionalism he claims he has and his site will do well. That's just traffic.

 

But for Madison. I don't know, man, I don't know. For someone who by herself claims to struggle with mental health and well-being, this might just be an unwise move. It shouldn't be. But it might be. Because we don't live in the world of shoulds.

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1 minute ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

That doesn't seem like a great day off to me.

And to Madison it was still better than to show up to work. That should worry you. It does worry me.

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Just now, HesCalledTheStig said:

its weird because she says she cut herself to get the day off.  Why?  So she could sit in the hospital getting stitched all day?  That doesn't seem like a great day off to me.  I think there is more to the story.  Could be in her favor, could be in LMG's.  We may never know.

getting staples doesn't take that long, also cutting her leg open could of resulted in more then just one day off. She never clarified.

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Just now, Uttamattamakin said:

100% agree.   People saying that her having had issues means she must be lying is very ... "You were asking for it by wearing that low cut dress".   You know what I mean?   It is people projecting the experiences they've had with women onto Madison.   Standard late adolescent/young adult angst at wondering if anyone will like them, or for being judged for who / what they like.   Maybe tinged with some mental issues on both sides.  This is not that.   

 

Especially since now another former LMG employee has come forward saying he remembers her, and what she dealt with.   That this broke at 5 ish AM US Eastern time.

 

Collin DUBMFG on Twitter. 

 That someone else remembers this pretty much shows that the broad strokes of it are true.  For legal reasons IF she made it very clear that she was not down with the activities going on then LMG is in the wrong. 

 

 

 

To be clear, the only thing that Colin states he remembers is that what she says in her thread is what she told him about.  He does not claim remembering to actually witness, or experience any of these things.  If I am wrong, I would love a link to where he says he has, because the picture, and the reddit / twitter links I have seen have only showed him confirming that her story is what he remembers her telling him.

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1 minute ago, Kiwamu said:

And to Madison it was still better than to show up to work. That should worry you. It does worry me.

I dont know.  I'm unsure how to interpret it.  The cutting can be taken different ways.  But I refuse to assume anything.  In my OPINION, the only thing that really needs to be discussed out of all of this is the sexual allegations.  The rest of the complaints are minuscule compared to this.  Let's face it, we've all had jobs where we felt over worked and under appreciated.  It's just how it is.  The sexual allegations however are the big issue in play here.  

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I have seen have only showed him confirming that her story is what he remembers her telling him.

He says that's what he "heard" when they were colleagues. Could also mean it didn't come directly from Madison. I think this makes more sense due to the fact that Madison and Collin would of been in completely different departments.

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3 minutes ago, Booch121 said:

getting staples doesn't take that long, also cutting her leg open could of resulted in more then just one day off. She never clarified.

Fair point.  

 

But as I said, the cutting could work against her as well. 

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Just now, HesCalledTheStig said:

I dont know.  I'm unsure how to interpret it.  The cutting can be taken different ways.  But I refuse to assume anything.  In my OPINION, the only thing that really needs to be discussed out of all of this is the sexual allegations.  The rest of the complaints are minuscule compared to this.  Let's face it, we've all had jobs where we felt over worked and under appreciated.  It's just how it is.  The sexual allegations however are the big issue in play here.  

The sexual allegations and the fact she was belittled by people in her workspace are important to note.
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1 minute ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

Fair point.  

 

But as I said, the cutting could work against her as well. 

It definitely could. Who knows at this point.

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