Computer for school/coding/math

[Momentopana]

Budget (including currency): 2000$ (id prefer not to spend extra for less performance though)

Country: United States 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: mostly school work. I am a computer science student. Most of the games I like don't need high performance like nuclear throne, deltarune, etc. It's also very important that I can copy and backup files quickly. I want to run pop OS. 

Other details: 

I have a mouse but I will need a keyboard and monitor(s),  I want the case to not be easily breakable so I can transport the computer. My desk is 35 inches wide and 23 inches long.

 

[filpo]

39 minutes ago, Momentopana said:

monitor(s)

is it plural or singular?

 

39 minutes ago, Momentopana said:

I want the case to not be easily breakable

if you get any case over 50 bucks it should be sturdy

39 minutes ago, Momentopana said:

I am a computer science student

Nice. I do computer science do here on a laptop (specifically this one: HP Pavilion Laptop 14-ec0003na Product Specifications | HP® Customer Support) but I am only 15 so the curriculum might change in the later years 

 

39 minutes ago, Momentopana said:

Most of the games I like don't need high performance like nuclear throne, deltarune, etc. It's also very important that I can copy and backup files quickly. I want to run pop OS. 

I'd go for this 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLRycH

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($319.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($184.49 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  ($92.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte AERO OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($669.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Deepcool CC360 ARGB MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($69.29 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($142.96 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($300.00 @ Amazon) 
Keyboard: Keychron K2 Plastic Wireless Standard Keyboard  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2007.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-13 08:55 EDT-0400

Edited August 13, 2023 by filpo
Changed the build

[leclod]

7 minutes ago, filpo said:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($319.00 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($184.49 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  ($92.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($119.00 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte AERO OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($669.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Deepcool CC360 ARGB MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($69.29 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($142.96 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($300.00 @ Amazon) 
Keyboard: Keychron K2 Plastic Wireless Standard Keyboard  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2007.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-13 08:55 EDT-0400

I'd avoid the glass panel for a sturdy case.

The 4070 doesn't get much love.

1050W is overkill

Usually DDR5 6000 CL30 is considered the sweet spot

 

 

[filpo]

Just now, leclod said:

Usually DDR5 6000 CL30 is considered the sweet spot

not true for am5 since it favours lower latency over higher speeds. Also even if it did help it would be at most 1 fps in the average

 

1 minute ago, leclod said:

1050W is overkill

unless they want to upgrade to a higher end gpu (like a 7900 xtx) in the future if they want to game more. 850w is also good for that but I had the budget so that's why I went for that

 

2 minutes ago, leclod said:

I'd avoid the glass panel for a sturdy case

And a metal side panel is better? Metal as a side panel doesn't look amazing and on most cases that still have a metal side panel, they would be 40 bucks and under (so would be low quality)

 

Glass is heavy but it won't make much of a difference and extra metal on the side won't help for sturdiness, its the enclosure on the sides io side and fan side) and top and bottom which count

[Mr. PRAINGLE]

Man 1050W is pure overkill whatsoever... A 7950X3D and a 4090 will run on a 750W Platinum certified PSU (SF750 hello), according to Optimum Tech at least (I cannot test myself). And Thermaltake, seriously ? Man for that budget go either for Seasonic or Corsair... Even if Seasonic is still considered to be the best (their PSUs are silent as hell and very reliable)

 

And yes, the 4070 is not very loved in the community, but it is a very good GPU nontheless, though it is not very useful here. I would rather consider a 6700XT, as you don't use your computer mainly for gaming but it will let you game for sure, even at 1440p.

 

I find 32GB to be pretty ligth considering he works in computer science, I maybe don't  understand what is computer science exactly, but I'd rather get two sticks of 32GB ram.

 

The 1440p 165Hz monitor is a nice to have, but honestly, he does not plan to game that much. I think a main 1440p@60/75 would be ideal here, like that he could buy a main 1440p monitor (the screen real estate is a big upgrade over 1080p) and a secondary 1080p monitor for multitasking.

[leclod]

25 minutes ago, filpo said:

And a metal side panel is better? Metal as a side panel doesn't look amazing and on most cases that still have a metal side panel, they would be 40 bucks and under (so would be low quality)

 

Glass is heavy but it won't make much of a difference and extra metal on the side won't help for sturdiness, its the enclosure on the sides io side and fan side) and top and bottom which count

Glass breaks. Doesn't allow airflow. Is heavy indeed.

You were right, it isn't easy to find decent m-ATX cases without glass sidepanel.

 

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by leclod

[filpo]

7 minutes ago, leclod said:

Glass breaks. Doesn't allow airflow. Is heavy indeed.

I didn't mean at the front of the case. I meant the side, and yes it does break but if packaged well it won't. It's heavier than metal yes but it won't make much of a difference when there's a whole pc inside it

20 minutes ago, Mr. PRAINGLE said:

Man 1050W is pure overkill whatsoever... A 7950X3D and a 4090 will run on a 750W Platinum certified PSU (SF750 hello), according to Optimum Tech at least (I cannot test myself

With massive undervolting yes, but this guy's a starter. Also the X3D cpus are actually really power efficient and so is the 40 series so I would use the 13900ks and 3090 ti as a combo for power next time. Their not the best combo but defo the highest power draw

20 minutes ago, Mr. PRAINGLE said:

And Thermaltake, seriously ? Man for that budget go either for Seasonic or Corsair... Even if Seasonic is still considered to be the best (their PSUs are silent as hell and very reliable)

Seasonic's overpriced and corsair's psus don't have native pcie 5

 

Thermaltake's psus are actually pretty underrated for the price (their 850w is about 110 bucks) and for most builds I would recommend them. Yes, corsair and seasonic do have better reputations but thermaltake's gotten better over the years

22 minutes ago, Mr. PRAINGLE said:

The 1440p 165Hz monitor is a nice to have, but honestly, he does not plan to game that much. I think a main 1440p@60/75 would be ideal here, like that he could buy a main 1440p monitor (the screen real estate is a big upgrade over 1080p) and a secondary 1080p monitor for multitasking.

Yes he could do this but that's depending on if he wants to 

 

22 minutes ago, Mr. PRAINGLE said:

find 32GB to be pretty ligth considering he works in computer science, I maybe don't  understand what is computer science exactly, but I'd rather get two sticks of 32GB ram.

Again, it depends what computer science, he specified coding, which can be done on many windows laptops and chromebooks too. Even if it's higher level computer science it won't be too taxing on ram. I'm currently doing it on a laptop with 16 gigs and a 5700u and it's perfectly fine

 

23 minutes ago, Mr. PRAINGLE said:

6700XT

power consumption on this card isn't amazing and the 4070 vastly outperforms it. And they have the budget so why not use it?

24 minutes ago, Mr. PRAINGLE said:

1050W is pure overkill whatsoever

one word, 'futureproofing'. The f-word. Allows them to upgrade down the line and it was in budget too

 

Do you have a build that you'd like to compare to mine?

[leclod]

25 minutes ago, filpo said:

I didn't mean at the front of the case. I meant the side,

 

power consumption on this card isn't amazing and the 4070 vastly outperforms it. And they have the budget so why not use it?

one word, 'futureproofing'. The f-word. Allows them to upgrade down the line and it was in budget too

Me neither. Lots of metal side panels have holes for airflow.

 

Future proofing with higher power is wrong to me. I believe power draw won't increase or will go down.

Computers waste too much energy already. This trend shouldn't go on until we've achieved controlled fusion.

And awareness increases.

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by leclod

[filpo]

1 hour ago, leclod said:

I believe power draw won't increase or will go down.

well we've seen it happen. from the 20 series to the 40 series and beyond

 

1 hour ago, leclod said:

Computers waste too much energy already. This trend shouldn't go on until we've achieved controlled fusion.

when you have a higher wattage psu than you need you won't be using all the energy at once. Only the watts you need

[leclod]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

when you have a higher wattage psu than you need you won't be using all the energy at once. Only the watts you need

Sure.

[Momentopana]

What's a good 1440p@60/75 monitor? 

[Why_Me]

Add a keyboard to this build ... look at Logitech. The 120mm fan goes inside the back of that case for a rear exhaust fan and it's available at Amazon for $10 + free shipping.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-13500 2.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($247.97 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AK500 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($45.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: *Asus DUAL GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ B&H) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: *Acer XV240Y Pbmiiprx 23.8" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor  ($137.88 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1546.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-13 15:44 EDT-0400

 

A better look at those components.

 

https://www.acer.com/us-en/monitors/gaming/nitro-xv0/pdp/UM.QX0AA.P01

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI 

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230580/intel-core-i513500-processor-24m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK500-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16040.shtml   

 

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/dual/dual-rtx4070-12g/  

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-solid/  

 

  

[KaitouX]

24 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-13500 2.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($247.97 @ Newegg) 

The 12700KF is currently going for $220 on Newegg, so I would go for that instead.

[filpo]

1 hour ago, Momentopana said:

What's a good 1440p@60/75 monitor? 

Just get a cheap 144 hz one from gigabyte. It only costs a bit more than a decent 75 hertz 1440p monitor and looks better IMO Gigabyte G27Q 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor (G27Q) - PCPartPicker

[SorryBella]

I dont think OP needs to use a dGPU here, its all 2D titles and not in that its in flat monitor.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($379.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($37.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B760M PG Riptide Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus ProArt Display PA248QV 24.1" 1920 x 1200 60 Hz Monitor  ($189.00 @ Abt) 
Keyboard: Keychron K2 V2 Aluminum RGB Wireless Standard Keyboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1195.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-13 22:23 EDT-0400

 

800$ spared. If you need a dGPU later on, use AMD thanks to AMDGPU rock steady support. RX 6600 would be my pick for entry level 1080p gaming.

[Momentopana]

9 hours ago, SorryBella said:

I dont think OP needs to use a dGPU here, its all 2D titles and not in that its in flat monitor.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($379.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($37.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B760M PG Riptide Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.98 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus ProArt Display PA248QV 24.1" 1920 x 1200 60 Hz Monitor  ($189.00 @ Abt) 
Keyboard: Keychron K2 V2 Aluminum RGB Wireless Standard Keyboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1195.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-13 22:23 EDT-0400

 

800$ spared. If you need a dGPU later on, use AMD thanks to AMDGPU rock steady support. RX 6600 would be my pick for entry level 1080p gaming.

Im going with this. One thing I would like to know is what stuff I need to buy for putting the PC Together like thermal paste and electrostatic wristbands 

[SorryBella]

Just now, Momentopana said:

Im going with this. One thing I would like to know is what stuff I need to buy for putting the PC Together like thermal paste and electrostatic wristbands 

Do you have #2 philips, and a flat surface with no static generating surfaces like carpets? If yes, then you're good. If not, go to a dollar store. You can get both there.

warning: I'm not responsible for you getting kicked out of your local dollar store for trying to build a PC there and making a mess