FPS drops and stuttering in a lot of games, I really don't know what to do and I need help

[RedMashie]

I get either bad performance or weird stuttering in games where it otherwise says I have smooth fps, I've tried setting framerate limit in RivaTuner but it only barely helps in 1 or 2 games and does nothing otherwise. I've upgraded and swapped out parts for a couple years now probably, using a lot of money to try and make this PC work but I just can't get it done, and it's at the point where I'm getting quite sad anytime I even attempt to play a game on it (this probably sounds stupid idk). 

I'd appreciate any help I can get with this thing, thank you for your time either way. 

 

 

My Specs are: 

GPU: RTX 3080

 

CPU: Ryzen 9 5900X

 

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 4000MHz 2x16GB

 

Motherboard: TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II

 

Monitor: MSI G273QF

 

 

 

Don't know if this is all the necessary information so if there is any need for more I will provide as much of it as possible to get help, again, thank you for your time. 

 

 

 

[Wh0_Am_1]

I would swap the HDMI cable (or DP)

[Brooksie359]

Don't run ram over 3600mhz for ryzen as then you basically have your Infinity fabric run at half speed which absolutely can result in game stuttering. If you haven't already I would make sure you set your ram to 3600mhz for a starting point and then troubleshoot if the stuttering still persists. Regardless always run at 3600mhz for the best performance. 

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Don't run ram over 3600mhz for ryzen as then you basically have your Infinity fabric run at half speed which absolutely can result in game stuttering. If you haven't already I would make sure you set your ram to 3600mhz for a starting point and then troubleshoot if the stuttering still persists. Regardless always run at 3600mhz for the best performance. 

This and also disable fast startup in Windows (restart PC afterwards) 

[Neutraliz]

What's your PSU ?

You did a lot of hardware changes, from what I can understand of your situation : 
What things didn't change ?
DDU ?
Windows reset ?

Does the stutters disapear at first with a fresh boot, and then get worse and worse with time ? 
What is the approximative average load on the GPU ?
Are you playing on windowed mode / borderless or fullscreen ?
Do you have G-sync compatible / G-sync ultimate enabled ? (NVIDIA control pannel) 
Are you using ultra low latency mode ? (NVIDIA control pannel) 
Do you have and/or use some level of overlays on your game ? (Rivatuner, steam, EA play, NVIDIA, Xbox ... There is a lot of possibilities)
Did you try to put your "power management mode" to "prefere maximum performance" in the NVIDIA's control pannel, under "Manage 3D settings" ?
Using something like MSI afterburner, pushing your power limits and temps limits ? Maybe vcore ? 

I'm asking all of this to have a baseline, but it's probably software related. 

^ Take a look at this topic, that will probably give you some clues and informations along all this topic. 

[Timme]

48 minutes ago, WereCat said:

This and also disable fast startup in Windows (restart PC afterwards)

How exactly is the fast startup connected to any of this?

[Sawa Takahashi]

1 hour ago, Timme said:

How exactly is the fast startup connected to any of this?

Fast startup is always a bad idea. It doesn't need to be connected to the issue.

Anyway, the time gained on a modern system with a SSD is so tiny you probably won't notice.

[Timme]

25 minutes ago, Sawa Takahashi said:

Fast startup is always a bad idea. It doesn't need to be connected to the issue.

Anyway, the time gained on a modern system with a SSD is so tiny you probably won't notice.

Erm, could you elaborate a bit? I can't think of anything supporting your claim, and a quick web search didn't help. 

[WereCat]

2 hours ago, Timme said:

How exactly is the fast startup connected to any of this?

Fast Startup is making the PC hybernate instead of making it shutdown properly. It often causes issue with GPU drivers not loading stuff correctly especially if you use variable refresh rate after waking up the PC. 

 

It does not really change the speed of how fast the PC boots up because SSDs are a thing now. 

 

Anyways, I always have stuttering issues unless I disable it. Works for friends PCs too. 

When I got my first GSync monitor 7y ago it also caused games to be stuck at 20FPS for example. 

[Neutraliz]

2 hours ago, Timme said:

Erm, could you elaborate a bit? I can't think of anything supporting your claim, and a quick web search didn't help. 

I had some problem myself with it, back into X99 times in early 2017. Can confirm it doesn't bring anything more than issues. Can't really remember what issue it was for me tho. I immediatly desactivate it on every single bios now.

[Timme]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

Fast Startup is making the PC hybernate instead of making it shutdown properly. It often causes issue with GPU drivers not loading stuff correctly especially if you use variable refresh rate after waking up the PC.

 

It does not really change the speed of how fast the PC boots up because SSDs are a thing now.

 

Anyways, I always have stuttering issues unless I disable it. Works for friends PCs too.

When I got my first GSync monitor 7y ago it also caused games to be stuck at 20FPS for example.

Wow, that was a rabbit hole. It still does affect the boot time, because W won't perform all the checks as in cold start. Plus, you'll get back to where you left off earlier. All the troubles with hardware are mostly from long ago and were caused by drivers/hardware not having proper support for the feature. Also, sleep is a better option for anything less than a few days off/ The only issue I have with 2sec power-up from sleep is the need to reset the network adapter, and even that is a recent occurrence. Nothing else comes to mind from recent years.

[Sawa Takahashi]

5 hours ago, Timme said:

Wow, that was a rabbit hole. It still does affect the boot time, because W won't perform all the checks as in cold start. Plus, you'll get back to where you left off earlier. All the troubles with hardware are mostly from long ago and were caused by drivers/hardware not having proper support for the feature. Also, sleep is a better option for anything less than a few days off/ The only issue I have with 2sec power-up from sleep is the need to reset the network adapter, and even that is a recent occurrence. Nothing else comes to mind from recent years.

Erm, could you elaborate a bit? I can't think of anything supporting your claim, and a quick web search didn't help.

[RedMashie]

On 7/29/2023 at 2:21 PM, Brooksie359 said:

Don't run ram over 3600mhz for ryzen as then you basically have your Infinity fabric run at half speed which absolutely can result in game stuttering. If you haven't already I would make sure you set your ram to 3600mhz for a starting point and then troubleshoot if the stuttering still persists. Regardless always run at 3600mhz for the best performance. 

 

On 7/29/2023 at 2:24 PM, WereCat said:

This and also disable fast startup in Windows (restart PC afterwards) 

I did both of these and it seems to have helped quite noticeable, however I still seem to have some stuttering and I even notice some pop-in in games with more open areas that need to load while in game. I just find this kinda weird because I'd assume it would then be a SSD or RAM problem, but I've tried a couple different RAM sticks and a lot of different SSDs. I've also messed around with different RAM speeds but other than 3600mhz it either doesn't change much or it goes back to how it was before. 

[RedMashie]

On 7/29/2023 at 2:24 PM, Neutraliz said:

What's your PSU ?

You did a lot of hardware changes, from what I can understand of your situation : 
What things didn't change ?
DDU ?
Windows reset ?

Does the stutters disapear at first with a fresh boot, and then get worse and worse with time ? 
What is the approximative average load on the GPU ?
Are you playing on windowed mode / borderless or fullscreen ?
Do you have G-sync compatible / G-sync ultimate enabled ? (NVIDIA control pannel) 
Are you using ultra low latency mode ? (NVIDIA control pannel) 
Do you have and/or use some level of overlays on your game ? (Rivatuner, steam, EA play, NVIDIA, Xbox ... There is a lot of possibilities)
Did you try to put your "power management mode" to "prefere maximum performance" in the NVIDIA's control pannel, under "Manage 3D settings" ?
Using something like MSI afterburner, pushing your power limits and temps limits ? Maybe vcore ? 

I'm asking all of this to have a baseline, but it's probably software related. 

^ Take a look at this topic, that will probably give you some clues and informations along all this topic. 

My PSU is a Corsair HX1000

I have tried both DDU and Windows Reset to no benefit, as for what I haven't changed is just a couple secondary HDD and SSDs I still have plugged in (I only use these for video/audio files and stuff like that, all my games and windows itself are installed on newer SSDs) 

 

The stutters are the same the whole time, some games don't stutter and others do, I don't quite know what makes it happen.

The average load is at minimum 75%  and maxes out at 100% (the ram and cpu don't go higher than 40-50% most of the time that I've looked)

I've done windowed, borderless and full-screen in all the game I've noticed the problem, some games get a little better in full-screen, others in windowed, so I'm used to checking all 3 options in most games I play. 

Whenever I enable G-sync my screen just changes brightness constantly or "flashes" I suppose, I've also not noticed any performance difference otherwise. 

I've tired low-latency on and off and it doesn't change anything at all. 

I usually have Steam overlay on but it doesn't only happen on Steam games, otherwise I've tried closing all other programs that would have an overlay.

The first thing I did was probably turn on maximum performance, also tried turning it off after in case that would do anything, which it didn't, so I've turned it on again.

I would prefer not to Overclock anything before I know if my PC can even run stuff properly on it's own, I'm not a huge fan of pushing my hardware extra, especially when it isn't working how I'd expect. 

 

I'll take a look at the topic and see if there's anything there that can help as well, thank you.  

 

[Neutraliz]

Are you using any type of software to automaticly install drivers ? 
If yes, please screenshot the same thing as me : 

 

 

1 hour ago, RedMashie said:

I've tired low-latency on and off and it doesn't change anything at all. 

Low-latency mode can be a bit hit and miss, so I would still enable it if it doesn't change anything, but watch out for that, as some games seems to not work well with it. 

 

1 hour ago, RedMashie said:

otherwise I've tried closing all other programs that would have an overlay.

A lot of launchers (EA play/Origin, EGS etc...) are using overlays by default. Which can create stutters. Same thing as low latency mode, results might vary depending of games you're playing.
 

1 hour ago, RedMashie said:

I would prefer not to Overclock anything before I know if my PC can even run stuff properly on it's own, I'm not a huge fan of pushing my hardware extra, especially when it isn't working how I'd expect. 

I understand that completly, however that's not actually overclocking, since you're not pushing clock speed on core or VRAM. Clock speeds are still fully stock, within the stock boosting behavior. You're just pushing power and temp limits, maybe vcore. The only difference is slight power draw increases, but more than that, it's way more stable in term of frequencies, and for much longer. And since NVIDIA GPUs are REALLY constrained, there is pretty much no way you gonna mess up anything that way. And even in the case, somehow, something goes bad... Well, first it was probably defective anyway in the first place, and no one can prove anything, really.
But, at the end of the day it's your pc, you're in control. You do whatever you want. But it can sometimes help with stuttering issues.

[RedMashie]

2 hours ago, Neutraliz said:

Are you using any type of software to automaticly install drivers ? 
If yes, please screenshot the same thing as me : 

 

 

Low-latency mode can be a bit hit and miss, so I would still enable it if it doesn't change anything, but watch out for that, as some games seems to not work well with it. 

 

A lot of launchers (EA play/Origin, EGS etc...) are using overlays by default. Which can create stutters. Same thing as low latency mode, results might vary depending of games you're playing.
 

I understand that completly, however that's not actually overclocking, since you're not pushing clock speed on core or VRAM. Clock speeds are still fully stock, within the stock boosting behavior. You're just pushing power and temp limits, maybe vcore. The only difference is slight power draw increases, but more than that, it's way more stable in term of frequencies, and for much longer. And since NVIDIA GPUs are REALLY constrained, there is pretty much no way you gonna mess up anything that way. And even in the case, somehow, something goes bad... Well, first it was probably defective anyway in the first place, and no one can prove anything, really.
But, at the end of the day it's your pc, you're in control. You do whatever you want. But it can sometimes help with stuttering issues.

 

I apologize for my OS being in Danish, don't know if there's anything here that's wrong or not? 

 

Also I've tried disabling overlays on steam and it didn't help on the games on there

[Neutraliz]

57 minutes ago, RedMashie said:

I apologize for my OS being in Danish, don't know if there's anything here that's wrong or not? 

No worries. The thing that I wanted to see is right, so it's ok. Doesn't seems to have anything wrong.
 

57 minutes ago, RedMashie said:

Also I've tried disabling overlays on steam and it didn't help on the games on there

Yes, but every launchers and some other softwares can also have overlays. Not just steam. And they can be just as bad. Watch out.