Currently on AM4 5800X3D game at 4K, worth going AM5 7800X3D?

[Jrasero]

Currently planning to swap cases when the NCase M1Evo is shipped but got me wondering if I should "upgrade" to AM5 7800X3D from a AM4 5800X3D?  I game at 4K w/ a RTX 4090 and usually play mostly sports games

 

 

[WereCat]

No

[Jrasero]

Just now, WereCat said:

No

That's where I am leaning.  Are there still memory issues and chips burning up on AM5? 

[Agall]

3 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

Currently planning to swap cases when the NCase M1Evo is shipped but got me wondering if I should "upgrade" to AM5 7800X3D from a AM4 5800X3D?  I game at 4K w/ a RTX 4090 and usually play mostly sports games

 

 

If you want to spend nearly $700 for a marginal increase, sure. Speaking from experience as someone who went from a 5800x3D to 7950x3D (testing every CCD configuration as well) with a RTX 4090 at 4K 240Hz, its not worth the money. If you want to have the greatest hardware to play with, then sure, but there's no value argument you can make for such an upgrade given the circumstances.

 

A major reason I upgraded was to also have a 5800x3D available to upgrade my brother's system from an R5 3600. I also went from a 3950x to 5800x3D and missed the extra cores, where the 7950x3D was a perfect product for me.

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

That's where I am leaning.  Are there still memory issues and chips burning up on AM5? 

Seems like it has been resolved with new BIOS updates

[Jrasero]

1 minute ago, Agall said:

If you want to spend nearly $700 for a marginal increase, sure. Speaking from experience as someone who went from a 5800x3D to 7950x3D (testing every configuration as well) with a RTX 4090 at 4K 240Hz, its not worth the money. If you want to have the greatest hardware to play with, then sure, but there's no value argument you can make for such an upgrade given the circumstances.

 

A major reason I upgraded was to also have a 5800x3D available to upgrade my brother's system from an R5 3600. I also went from a 3950x to 5800x3D and missed the extra cores, where the 7950x3D was a perfect product for me.

yeah for the parts I want it's like $1300 before tax so, If I am not missing out on much with the 7800X3D sounds like sticking with my 5800X3D and AM4 sounds solid since I game at 4K 

[Agall]

13 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

yeah for the parts I want it's like $1300 before tax so, If I am not missing out on much with the 7800X3D sounds like sticking with my 5800X3D and AM4 sounds solid since I game at 4K 

I'd skip and look forward to the 8800x3D or even 9800x3D; not ignoring the 14700k or whatever it ends up being called for Intel's 14th generation.

 

Just thought I'd point out lastly that there's a fallacy that CPUs don't matter for 4K. Plenty of games have CPU bound scenarios regardless of resolution and settings, something I tested in Warframe, which is a game so well optimized that it can reach 1200 fps at 1080p ultra in some scenarios. 

 

3D v-cache is the solution on the AMD side and Intel rapidly increasing the CPU cache between 10th, 12th, and 13th gives indication that plenty of the high CPU draw call with server side negotiations strongly benefit from having more L2+L3 cache. We'll likely see this to keep progressing, so I'd even keep an eye on Intel's 14th generation.

 

 

Conclusion of that testing between a 4790k and 7950x3D. Noting that there was a scenario where the framerates were the same, being a specific scenario with minimal draw calls in a single player only experience. That all changing when I changed the resolution to 1080p.

[Sarra]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

No

This, plus one.

 

AM5 isn't mature yet. Stability, performance, and component lifetimes are going to be worse than a 5000 series on AM4. AM4 is mature, and while it's not bulletproof, it's less likely, with a good board, to have problems.

 

AM5 might scale similar to AM4, in which case you should wait for the next series of chips. This all includes chipset, I would wait at least for the second iteration. On AM4, the 3000 and 5000 chips and B450/B550 and X470/X570 were the best performers, with reasonable prices.