7900XT or 4070Ti?

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

Still do not know how to answer your question about the all work cpu haha

Lmao but ye that cpu cooler should be fine on that cpu for gaming

[QuantumSingularity]

4 hours ago, filpo said:

Keep the 13700k. Its a perfectly decent chip and just draws more power and has higher thermals. But performs AROUND the same (some games are different) but its still a decent chip. 

 

BUT on an Ak620 I would really consider swapping it out for a lower power chip like the 7800X3D or 13700 (non K). Yes this will make your wait longer but then your thermals won't be too high

Also are you doing any all core work?

I just noticed - he got DDR4 3600MHz and in pretty much every scenario where it's benchmarked, the 13700k produced close to the same results with DDR5 6000MHz. That DDR4 memory puts the difference close to 20% behind on average and the difference in price is just €79 when you change the mobo the CPU and the memory to these:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€467.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€73.85 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€234.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€172.95 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€107.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€158.53 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€8.01 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€8.01 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1322.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-19 21:58 CEST+0200

 

But again - the biggest positive for me isn't the better gaming performance. It's the open upgradability path.

 

This is for 13600k, but it's almost exactly the same for 13700k as well. If the DDR4 memory was 4000MHz it wouldn't have been that bad of a performance hit, but 3600MHz simply is too slow for that CPU.

[Thomaszz]

5 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

I just noticed - he got DDR4 3200MHz and in pretty much every scenario where it's benchmarked, the 13700k produced close to the same results with DDR5 6000MHz. That DDR4 memory puts the difference close to 20% behind on average and the difference in price is just €79 when you change the mobo the CPU and the memory to these:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€467.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€73.85 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€234.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€172.95 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€107.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€158.53 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€8.01 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€8.01 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1322.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-19 21:58 CEST+0200

 

But again - the biggest positive for me isn't the better gaming performance. It's the open upgradability path.

 

I do not think the upgradability path really matters for me tho since I will most likely not be upgrading my PC for the next 2-3 years minimum. This means I am going to have to buy a new MOBO regardless of the platform

[QuantumSingularity]

5 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

I do not think the upgradability path really matters for me tho since I will most likely not be upgrading my PC for the next 2-3 years minimum. This means I am going to have to buy a new MOBO regardless of the platform

Well with AMD, unlike with Intel, 2-3 years is a viable period in witch a new upgrade is simply a BIOS flash away. Not saying it will happen for sure, but my guess is that the next 3nm 8000 series CPUs will be on the same chipset, so that makes their refresh 2-3 years from now also viable for the same B650 chipset, just like B350 chipset from Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 3000.

[Paul17]

I got an Alder Lake build because AM5 wasn't out yet - and AM4 was EOL while one can still upgrade to Raptor Lake 13700/13900 etc.   But, if I was building now - I'd probably pick buying AM5 / DDR5 parts.

 

I guess I am late to the party but I was wondering why the OP picked DDR4 - it's fine but I think DDR5 is pretty close in price now?   Was it really that significant a discount - going with Intel/Raptor Lake and DDR4?   Just curious.   How big of a hassle is it to return and what kind of (price) DDR5 build can you get in comparison?   I guess the hassle has to be somewhat worth it - in terms of value.   Even if you don't plan on upgrading 2-3 yrs later, you never know.   Also, if you are fixed towards an AMD card - there's some benefit to the AMD cpu, too.   

 

My two cents.  

[Thomaszz]

1 minute ago, Paul17 said:

I got an Alder Lake build because AM5 wasn't out yet - and AM4 was EOL while one can still upgrade to Raptor Lake 13700/13900 etc.   But, if I was building now - I'd probably pick buying AM5 / DDR5 parts.

 

I guess I am late to the party but I was wondering why the OP picked DDR4 - it's fine but I think DDR5 is pretty close in price now?   Was it really that significant a discount - going with Intel/Raptor Lake and DDR4?   Just curious.   How big of a hassle is it to return and what kind of (price) DDR5 build can you get in comparison?   I guess the hassle has to be somewhat worth it - in terms of value.   Even if you don't plan on upgrading 2-3 yrs later, you never know.   Also, if you are fixed towards an AMD card - there's some benefit to the AMD cpu, too.   

 

My two cents.  

The reason for me picking DDR4 memory is because it was cheaper and it still outperforms the DDR5 kits that are under +- 200 euros. It is not too big of a hassle to return the parts. I have to pay 4 euros for shipping but that is it.

[Thomaszz]

26 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Well with AMD, unlike with Intel, 2-3 years is a viable period in witch a new upgrade is simply a BIOS flash away. Not saying it will happen for sure, but my guess is that the next 3nm 8000 series CPUs will be on the same chipset, so that makes their refresh 2-3 years from now also viable for the same B650 chipset, just like B350 chipset from Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 3000.

Also while we are at it Sapphire PULSE 7900XT or ASROCK? Filpo mentioned ASROCK and Sapphire is on par with price/reviews so idk

[filpo]

6 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

The reason for me picking DDR4 memory is because it was cheaper and it still outperforms the DDR5 kits that are under +- 200 euros. It is not too big of a hassle to return the parts. I have to pay 4 euros for shipping but that is it.

 

8 minutes ago, Paul17 said:

I got an Alder Lake build because AM5 wasn't out yet - and AM4 was EOL while one can still upgrade to Raptor Lake 13700/13900 etc.   But, if I was building now - I'd probably pick buying AM5 / DDR5 parts.

 

I guess I am late to the party but I was wondering why the OP picked DDR4 - it's fine but I think DDR5 is pretty close in price now?   Was it really that significant a discount - going with Intel/Raptor Lake and DDR4?   Just curious.   How big of a hassle is it to return and what kind of (price) DDR5 build can you get in comparison?   I guess the hassle has to be somewhat worth it - in terms of value.   Even if you don't plan on upgrading 2-3 yrs later, you never know.   Also, if you are fixed towards an AMD card - there's some benefit to the AMD cpu, too.   

 

My two cents.  

There isn't too much of a difference in performance between ddr4 and ddr5 for intel in gaming and for cost (to spend more money on other components) it might be better to stay with ddr4

[filpo]

Just now, Thomaszz said:

Also while we are at it Sapphire PULSE 7900XT or ASROCK?

The asrock phantom gaming OC. But tbh, unless its a big difference in clocks/cooling (which there isn't) it shouldn't really matter. Go with whichever's cheaper

[Forfaxify]

 

11 hours ago, Thomaszz said:

Also while we are at it Sapphire PULSE 7900XT or ASROCK? Filpo mentioned ASROCK and Sapphire is on par with price/reviews so idk

 

I had to rma my ASRock card due to high temps. 100c (and climbing) memory and 110c on the hotspot. So you might want to keep an eye on your temps.

 

I don't think it's a bad card and I hope I just had a bad example. Replacement will be arriving soon.

 

[Thomaszz]

13 hours ago, filpo said:

 

There isn't too much of a difference in performance between ddr4 and ddr5 for intel in gaming and for cost (to spend more money on other components) it might be better to stay with ddr4

Here I am the next day still unsure whether to return my I7-13700k or to keep it. One thing that held me back from picking the 7800X3D over the i7-13700k were the issues the AMD chip had. Has that been fixed or is it still a problem?

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

Here I am the next day still unsure whether to return my I7-13700k or to keep it. One thing that held me back from picking the 7800X3D over the i7-13700k were the issues the AMD chip had. Has that been fixed or is it still a problem?

It's been fixed. But I would say keep your 13700k

[Thomaszz]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

It's been fixed. But I would say keep your 13700k

Yeah I think I am going that route. Also I am leaning more towards the SAPPHIRE Pulse 7900xt right now. It is 20 euros more expensive than ASROCK, but it comes with resident evil 4 and SAPPHIRE seems to be slightly better in terms of user experience. The GPU decision AMD vs NVIDIA has been a tough one for me for this build haha. I am currently running a 1080ti so both will be a huge upgrade regardless. But since I am looking to keep this GPU for a minimum of 2-3 years then the 7900XT is the way to go because of the extra VRAM right? 12GB will most likely not be sufficient in the future and some new AAA games right now are already maxing out the 12GB. Keep in mind I will not be gaming in 4K, for now only 1080p and 1440p probs around christmas time.

 

EDIT: Also since I have a g-sync monitor, does picking an AMD GPU make a big difference?

[filpo]

19 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

The GPU decision AMD vs NVIDIA has been a tough one for me for this build haha. I am currently running a 1080ti so both will be a huge upgrade regardless. But since I am looking to keep this GPU for a minimum of 2-3 years then the 7900XT is the way to go because of the extra VRAM right? 12GB will most likely not be sufficient in the future and some new AAA games right now are already maxing out the 12GB.

ye stick with amd and get that sapphire

[Thomaszz]

10 minutes ago, filpo said:

ye stick with amd and get that sapphire

I edited my previous reply. Since I am playing 1080p to 1440p (probs end of the year, do not know yet) and I have a G-sync monitor does this influence the decision?

[xAcid9]

6 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

I edited my previous reply. Since I am playing 1080p to 1440p (probs end of the year, do not know yet) and I have a G-sync monitor does this influence the decision?

If it not a "G-sync Compatible" monitor then I'm afraid you won't be able to use VRR on AMD graphic card. 
What model is your monitor?

[Thomaszz]

1 minute ago, xAcid9 said:

If it not a "G-sync Compatible" monitor then I'm afraid you won't be able to use VRR on AMD graphic card. 
What model is your monitor?

Main monitor: ASUS ROG PG258Q 240hz

Second monitor: BENQ XL2411 144hz

[xAcid9]

3 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

Main monitor: ASUS ROG PG258Q 240hz

This model support Freesync Premium so no problem there. 

 

5 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

Second monitor: BENQ XL2411 144hz

This doesn't seem to support Adaptive-Sync/VRR at all so no problem as well. 

 

Can you check what is your current idle GPU power consumption?

[filpo]

21 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

I edited my previous reply. Since I am playing 1080p to 1440p (probs end of the year, do not know yet) and I have a G-sync monitor does this influence the decision?

It should be a freesync monitor so no it doesn't

[Thomaszz]

7 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

This model support Freesync Premium so no problem there. 

 

This doesn't seem to support Adaptive-Sync/VRR at all so no problem as well. 

 

Can you check what is your current idle GPU power consumption?

https://gyazo.com/bb734da5ba5390f564f9ecd062b78053

 

Is this what you are looking for?

[xAcid9]

2 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

Is this what you are looking for?

Yes. Expect similar or slightly higher power consumption with the XT but not a deal breaker I think. 

[Thomaszz]

2 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Yes. Expect similar or slightly higher power consumption with the XT but not a deal breaker I think. 

Yeah I noticed the 4070ti is more power efficient but I am still living with my parents as of now so not paying the energy bills right now haha (but hope to move out soon since I should be graduating in 1-2 weeks). Do not know how much the difference in price is 7900xt vs 4070ti for power consumption

[xAcid9]

10 minutes ago, Thomaszz said:

Do not know how much the difference in price is 7900xt vs 4070ti for power consumption

The difference is negligible in my country, electric is quite cheap here.

[Paul17]

4 hours ago, Thomaszz said:

Yeah I think I am going that route. Also I am leaning more towards the SAPPHIRE Pulse 7900xt right now. It is 20 euros more expensive than ASROCK, but it comes with resident evil 4 and SAPPHIRE seems to be slightly better in terms of user experience. The GPU decision AMD vs NVIDIA has been a tough one for me for this build haha. I am currently running a 1080ti so both will be a huge upgrade regardless. But since I am looking to keep this GPU for a minimum of 2-3 years then the 7900XT is the way to go because of the extra VRAM right? 12GB will most likely not be sufficient in the future and some new AAA games right now are already maxing out the 12GB. Keep in mind I will not be gaming in 4K, for now only 1080p and 1440p probs around christmas time.

 

EDIT: Also since I have a g-sync monitor, does picking an AMD GPU make a big difference?

I was told that there isn't much difference between DDR4 and DDR5 with Intel but isn't there if it's Intel w/DDR5 vs AM5 w/ DDR5 - I think AM5 would provide more upgrade options - so, that's why I was suggesting to compare your current PC price (excluding gpu) with a hypothetical AM5/DDR5 build.   But, it sounds like any return idea has been disregarded?

 

Good idea to switch to the 7900 XT Pulse.   The Asrock Phantom 7900 series seems to have a lot  of overheating complaints - ppl who say the QC is bad; cards need to be repasted because of thermal concerns, etc.   There's just too many complaints that would make me reluctant to pick Asrock's Phantom Gaming cards and I'd avoid shooting the dice there.   The Pulse is usually one of the cheaper 7900 XT and 7900 XTX cards - regardless of where you are - and I'd pick it over the Asrock Phantom cards.

[Thomaszz]

27 minutes ago, Paul17 said:

I was told that there isn't much difference between DDR4 and DDR5 with Intel but isn't there if it's Intel w/DDR5 vs AM5 w/ DDR5 - I think AM5 would provide more upgrade options - so, that's why I was suggesting to compare your current PC price (excluding gpu) with a hypothetical AM5/DDR5 build.   But, it sounds like any return idea has been disregarded?

 

Good idea to switch to the 7900 XT Pulse.   The Asrock Phantom 7900 series seems to have a lot  of overheating complaints - ppl who say the QC is bad; cards need to be repasted because of thermal concerns, etc.   There's just too many complaints that would make me reluctant to pick Asrock's Phantom Gaming cards and I'd avoid shooting the dice there.   The Pulse is usually one of the cheaper 7900 XT and 7900 XTX cards - regardless of where you are - and I'd pick it over the Asrock Phantom cards.

The return Idea was discarded until I change my mind, again. I think it probs is worth returning the items for AM5 with DDR5 even though I would have to put in +- 70-100 euros more because of the more expensive DDR5.

 

@QuantumSingularity already mentioned the MOBO and DDR5 kit I could go for. Did you chose that RAM kit because of the CAS latency? And Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX  vs MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI  which one would be the "better" pick?

 

Another note: the DEEPCOOL AK620 will be sufficient for the 7800X3D?