How low does the 7900 XT have to go before it's a good value?

[YoungBlade]

The RX 7900 XT has become readily available at the $800 price point. Plenty of cards are still priced over that, however, it looks like the cards still aren't selling out at $800. This must mean that a lot of people don't think that's a low enough price to pull the trigger.

 

Do you think that the RX 7900 XT has reached a reasonable price point, yet? If not, how low does it need to go? And at what point does it become a great value card that's easy to recommend?

 

[Levent]

3 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Do you think that the RX 7900 XT has reached a reasonable price point, yet?

I dont think so, I suspect there will be major adjustments coming to all GPUs due to low sales. I suspect Nvidia will make a price cut then it will be followed by AMD. I would hold on buying a 7900XT for a while.

[emosun]

with the 6800 being like 400$ idk if i'd recommend the 7900 at any price above 500$

[Dedayog]

28 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The RX 7900 XT has become readily available at the $800 price point. Plenty of cards are still priced over that, however, it looks like the cards still aren't selling out at $800. This must mean that a lot of people don't think that's a low enough price to pull the trigger.

 

Do you think that the RX 7900 XT has reached a reasonable price point, yet? If not, how low does it need to go? And at what point does it become a great value card that's easy to recommend?

 

In comparison to the 6900xt, which I was able to get at $629, the 7900xt is a deal at $700-$750 IMO.  This is assuming the 7900XTX is at $999.

[SorryBella]

12 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

This is assuming the 7900XT is at $999.

Thats XTX. XT MSRP is 899, but you wanna actively avoid reference design due to... Obvious and heavily reported reasons.

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

Thats XTX. XT MSRP is 899, but you wanna actively avoid reference design due to... Obvious and heavily reported reasons.

Yes, thanks for the correction!  I meant if the XTX is $999, then the XT is a good value at $750, a great deal at $700.

[YoungBlade]

17 minutes ago, emosun said:

with the 6800 being like 400$ idk if i'd recommend the 7900 at any price above 500$

The RX 7900 XT is, on average, 50% faster than the RX 6800 non-XT. So if you can find those for $400 readily, then wouldn't at least $600 be the appropriate price point for the 7900 XT? Especially considering that it also has 4GB more VRAM, AV1 encoding, and is newer?

[emosun]

Just now, YoungBlade said:

The RX 7900 XT is, on average, 50% faster than the RX 6800 non-XT. So if you can find those for $400 readily, then wouldn't at least $600 be the appropriate price point for the 7900 XT? Especially considering that it also has 4GB more VRAM, AV1 encoding, and is newer?

ah sorry , was the question how low we think it should be  , or how low you think it should be?

I can go back and just edit my comment if you need it to just agree with whatever you think. i must not have understood what was being asked.

[YoungBlade]

1 minute ago, emosun said:

ah sorry , was the question how low we think it should be  , or how low you think it should be?

I can go back and just edit my comment if you need it to just agree with whatever you think. i must not have understood what was being asked.

I was basically asking for the reasoning of your answer. I'm curious why you think $500 is the appropriate price for that card. You said that the 6800 being $400 was part of your reasoning. I'm wondering what the rest of it is.

 

I'm not asking for people to be in line with my opinion, I want to understand why people have their opinions.

[emosun]

6 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

I'm curious why you think $500 is the appropriate price for that card.

i need a reason to spend a larger amount of money and i don't consider a maximum of 50% speed increase to be worth waiting to save up , waiting for shipping , installing the gpu , trying to sell the old gpu, ect...

if i was getting 30 fps in a task , it would be a maximum potential increase to 45fps.  I don't consider that a game changing difference worth 100's of dollars. Let me know when its 2-3x the speed and i'll start to care. The difference between a 6800xt and 7900xt isn't going to be noticeable without a fps counter running in the corner.

maybe if i had a render farm running dozens of machines and time was money and a 50% speed increase meant several months of rendering time saved it could be important. But i don't , so its not.

[Agall]

Depends on what you're running TBH. The newer gen cards are nice for RT, even the 7000 series, so unless you're excluding RT performance.

[PDifolco]

The world being what it is, wishful thinking won't make the price down to lower than $700 in the best case, that was the "mythical" MSRP of the 3080 and 7900XT is 25% faster...and it was 2.5 years ago,  +15% inflation since (or more!) 

Already at $800 the 7900XT would be okayish, better perf than 4070Ti but worse RT and FSR i/o DLSS

At $750 it'll be a good deal.

Now @emosunyou can't price something on your own marginal interest in it, else if you have say a 3080 then a 3090 should cost around $50 ? 

 

[emosun]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Now @emosunyou can't price something on your own marginal interest in it

 

Sure i can , if its my money and i don't want to spend more than i want to  , then i don't buy it. Wheres the confusion.

[porina]

The biggest problem for me is the 7900XT being roughly 10% lower in RT performance than a 4070 Ti. Raster performance is irrelevant as both are already more in the good enough for me, and RT is where improvements need to be present. I'm also not factoring in a penalty for AMD for not having nvidia features. I know, AMD have vague equivalents, but there is a cost for me to moving over to those which is harder to quantify.

 

The other part is, it is a failing to look only at GPU cost. The system as a whole provides gaming performance. This makes slower GPUs much worse value. A 10% slower GPU for 20% less cost can be worse value than a 10% faster GPU at 20% higher cost. Put it this way, for me to consider AMD seriously, they'd have to offer the XTX at similar price to 4070 Ti. The XT will be way below that.

[PDifolco]

10 minutes ago, emosun said:

Sure i can , if its my money and i don't want to spend more than i want to  , then i don't buy it. Wheres the confusion.

No, that's what you're wanting to spend, but it doesn't represent the card value

Else following on my 3080 example, you cannot get a 3060 at negative price, goint out of the store with the card and the money   

[emosun]

8 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

No, that's what you're wanting to spend, but it doesn't represent the card value

Else following on my 3080 example, you cannot get a 3060 at negative price, goint out of the store with the card and the money   

don't recall saying i was buying 3060s at negative value

I think you may be referring to something else as i'm not sure where youre going with this. Never stated any nvidia prices or values

[PDifolco]

2 hours ago, emosun said:

don't recall saying i was buying 3060s at negative value

I think you may be referring to something else as i'm not sure where youre going with this. Never stated any nvidia prices or values

Here :

2 hours ago, emosun said:

i need a reason to spend a larger amount of money and i don't consider a maximum of 50% speed increase to be worth waiting to save up , waiting for shipping , installing the gpu , trying to sell the old gpu, ect...

if i was getting 30 fps in a task , it would be a maximum potential increase to 45fps.  I don't consider that a game changing difference worth 100's of dollars. Let me know when its 2-3x the speed and i'll start to care. The difference between a 6800xt and 7900xt isn't going to be noticeable without a fps counter running in the corner.

maybe if i had a render farm running dozens of machines and time was money and a 50% speed increase meant several months of rendering time saved it could be important. But i don't , so its not.

I've no issue with your "personal" value evalution, you're calculating "value" using your personal analysis of fps gain over the 6800xt

Your reasoning only stands for someone having a 6800XT, which is fine on a personal viewpoint, but can't be used to assess a market price where sellers and buyers meet assessing value of the various cards *on the market* irrespective of their own current card 

I was mostly nitpicking about price theory, 0 personal judgment in that  

 

[porina]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

Your reasoning only stands for someone having a 6800XT, which is fine on a personal viewpoint, but can't be used to assess a market price where sellers and buyers meet assessing value of the various cards *on the market* irrespective of their own current card 

Value can't exist by itself, and does need a reference to go against. I think everyone who has expressed some kind of value judgement would have compared it to something, whether it was stated or not. Here it was applied to an older AMD GPU, which may include some ambiguity. I chose to reference it against current nvidia offerings. I think the only constraint is that it should be like for like. That is, new vs new only. Used product really complicates things.

[andrewmp6]

8 hours ago, emosun said:

with the 6800 being like 400$ idk if i'd recommend the 7900 at any price above 500$

A lot of 6950xt are 699 on newegg right now

[emosun]

13 hours ago, andrewmp6 said:

A lot of 6950xt are 699 on newegg right now

neato

[Mark Kaine]

• $500

 

otherwise most gpu prices are a ripoff nowadays sadly 

[YoungBlade]

38 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

• $500

 

otherwise most gpu prices are a ripoff nowadays sadly 

That's an interesting take. Why $500?

 

Not even accounting for inflation, that would make it much cheaper than even the RX 6800, which had an MSRP of $580, and was not considered a rip-off. At worst, its MSRP was seen as iffy next to the $500 RTX 3070. Yet the 7900XT offers 50% better performance, more VRAM, better RT scaling, and AV1 encoding.

 

To get that all at a 15% discount would be insane for a generational leap. I would go as far as to say it would be unprecedented. It would be way better value than even the 1080Ti was.

 

If the 7900XT were $500, I think every other card on the market right now would be absolutely irrelevant. Even used options like the RX 5700XT at $170 - even assuming the card worked like new - would be dubious purchases at best next to that.

[xFluing]

22 hours ago, Dedayog said:

In comparison to the 6900xt, which I was able to get at $629, the 7900xt is a deal at $700-$750 IMO.  This is assuming the 7900XTX is at $999.

How is that a deal? New tech should be better performance for same price as last gen (like-for-like) and even still $630 for a 6900XT is way over the top, it should be a $450-500 card AT MOST

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, xFluing said:

How is that a deal? New tech should be better performance for same price as last gen (like-for-like) and even still $630 for a 6900XT is way over the top, it should be a $450-500 card AT MOST

Where is the logic that something is to be better yet costs the same?  

 

If I improve a product, I am going to recoup my R&D into that improvement. 

 

Unless there is a large cost saving initiative that happened, costs have to be passed on.

[xFluing]

5 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

That's an interesting take. Why $500?

 

Not even accounting for inflation, that would make it much cheaper than even the RX 6800, which had an MSRP of $580, and was not considered a rip-off. At worst, its MSRP was seen as iffy. Yet the 7900XT offers 50% better performance, more VRAM, better RT scaling, and AV1 encoding.

 

To get that all at a 15% discount would be insane for a generational leap. I would go as far as to say it would be unprecedented. It would be way better value than even the 1080Ti was.

 

If the 7900XT were $500, I think every other card on the market right now would be absolutely irrelevant. Even used options like the RX 5700XT at $170 - even assuming the card worked like new - would be dubious purchases at best next to that.

The logic is that if the 7900 XT is supposed to replace the 6800 then it should be at the same MSRP as the 6800 (and even then nowadays it would still be a bad price as the 6800 MSRP was ballooned by the crypto bubble to all hell to begin with)