Is it worth upgrading from a i3 4gen(4130) to a i7 4790(non -k) or a xeon with a similar performance? My gpu is a RTX 3070. Thank you

[HyperPro_Andrew118]

Budget (including currency): Budget is around USD $75, I dont have a job yet(not 18), i usually get around $30-50 very year. The i7 4790 is around $60

 

Country: Indonesia

 

Monitor: 23.5 inch 1080p 75fps lg ips display 23mk something

 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming: Genshin Impact, Valorant, NieR:Automata.

 

Why are you upgrading?  I want to get a stable fps in Genshin impact, it is very stuttery. Dips to 35fps. Valorant also have not so stable fps.

 

Current specs:

i3 4130

16gb ram 1600mhz

3070

1tb ssd

650watt PSU (thermaltake gf 2 80+gold)

[Budget DIY]

With that income, performance gains (I think 60 for that CPU is expensive) and GPU, I don't think it's worth it. However, I'm also keeping my own electrical bill in mind.

 

Currently own a Ryzen 3600, wouldn't want to trade for a new mobo + 7950, because of the increase of my monthly bills.

[Hinjima]

Why are you making a new thread like this? You got so many replies on the last thread with everyone saying that you should upgrade to a 4770 or 4790.
a quad core with hyperthreading will give you a major boost over the i3 4130 . In some games you will see double the framerate if not more.
This is with a weaker RX 570.. but it should still give you an idea.  I know you are spending your entire budget but you will get such a better gaming experience.

 

[HyperPro_Andrew118]

31 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Why are you making a new thread like this? You got so many replies on the last thread with everyone saying that you should upgrade to a 4770 or 4790.
a quad core with hyperthreading will give you a major boost over the i3 4130 . In some games you will see double the framerate if not more.
This is with a weaker RX 570.. but it should still give you an idea.  I know you are spending your entire budget but you will get such a better gaming experience.

 

Thank you

[HyperPro_Andrew118]

56 minutes ago, Budget DIY said:

With that income, performance gains (I think 60 for that CPU is expensive) and GPU, I don't think it's worth it. However, I'm also keeping my own electrical bill in mind.

 

Currently own a Ryzen 3600, wouldn't want to trade for a new mobo + 7950, because of the increase of my monthly bills.

What should i do then?

[8tg]

The 4790 is past the “it’s still an i7” price floor now so it’s a viable cheap upgrade to a haswell system.

I would still say save up for a new platform, but if you only have $60 or something the 4790 is a viable upgrade 

[Dedayog]

13 minutes ago, HyperPro_Andrew118 said:

What should i do then?

You should buy the 4790.

 

 

[Bombastinator]

A 4790 is still capable of some low thread count ps5 games and pretty much anything ps4, (which includes very slow scyberpunk) whereas the 4130 is not.  I thought the xenon in a consumer socket thing thing was core2quad which is a different (and much earlier) socket.  It sort of depends on what this 4790 costs.  If it’s cheap enough, yes, but it probably isn’t.

[HyperPro_Andrew118]

28 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

A 4790 is still capable of some low thread count ps5 games and pretty much anything ps4, (which includes very slow scyberpunk) whereas the 4130 is not.  I thought the xenon in a consumer socket thing thing was core2quad which is a different (and much earlier) socket.  It sort of depends on what this 4790 costs.  If it’s cheap enough, yes, but it probably isn’t.

I think its xeon e5 something

[SteveGrabowski0]

13 minutes ago, HyperPro_Andrew118 said:

I think its xeon e5 something

You're thinking of Xeon E3-1231v3, E3-1241v3, etc. I ran a Xeon E3-1231v3 with a GTX 1660 Super until last June and it was pretty damn solid for everything until Cyberpunk and Elden Ring, and the latter might have only been because I tried Elden Ring at launch unpatched. Xeon E3-1231v3 and i7-4790 are virtually the same thing. The i7-4790 is 200 MHz faster and has integrated graphics while the Xeon E3-1231v3 has support for ECC RAM. None of these things are very important though. Given how tight your budget is if the i7-4790 is $60 and the Xeon E3-1231v3 is $50 or less I'd get the Xeon, after confirming your motherboard supports it. Almost any H81 / B85 / H87 / H97 / Z97 board should with a new enough BIOS I would think.

 

Haswell gen Xeon E5 are straight server processors and you'd be much better off with an i7-4790. Plus I don't think any of the Haswell Xeon E5 would work in the same boards an i3-4130 would.

 

Can't tell you how Genshin would do but NieR Automata worked very well for me on that Xeon E3-1231v3 with a GTX 970.

[SteveGrabowski0]

48 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

A 4790 is still capable of some low thread count ps5 games and pretty much anything ps4, (which includes very slow scyberpunk) whereas the 4130 is not.  I thought the xenon in a consumer socket thing thing was core2quad which is a different (and much earlier) socket.  It sort of depends on what this 4790 costs.  If it’s cheap enough, yes, but it probably isn’t.

Haswell was the last gen where you could use Xeon E3 on consumer boards. I had a Xeon E3-1231v3 I used in both an H81 (Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2V) and a Z97 board (MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition) because I really wanted an i7 but for an i5 level budget at the time, and the Xeon E3 series was how you could do that. The E3-1231v3 was basically an i7-4790 clocked 200 MHz lower, with the IGP removed, with ECC memory support added, and marketed as a low end server processor instead of a highish end desktop processor. Sadly they killed off the ability to use Xeon E3 in consumer desktop boards in Broadwell I think because the Xeon E3-1231v3 got so popular with gamers.

[Bombastinator]

53 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Haswell was the last gen where you could use Xeon E3 on consumer boards. I had a Xeon E3-1231v3 I used in both an H81 (Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2V) and a Z97 board (MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition) because I really wanted an i7 but for an i5 level budget at the time, and the Xeon E3 series was how you could do that. The E3-1231v3 was basically an i7-4790 clocked 200 MHz lower, with the IGP removed, with ECC memory support added, and marketed as a low end server processor instead of a highish end desktop processor. Sadly they killed off the ability to use Xeon E3 in consumer desktop boards in Broadwell I think because the Xeon E3-1231v3 got so popular with gamers.

Hmmm…. It makes me wonder if the xenon I have is for haswell not core2.   My memory is that the xenon is not wildly faster than the chip it replaces.  In any case the problem for modern systems is not ghz it is cores.  The 4/8 machines weren’t any faster than similar 4/4 machines but those won’t play any but the earliest ps4 games.

 

The problem is the ps4 was for consumer purposes  6/6 and while 4/8 can do 6 it can’t do 12 or 16 which is what the ps5 XboxX are.

 

they run what amounts to a hotted up 2700x so 8/16@close to 3 ghz.  With a bit of overhead a 9800 or 3700 can match them and anything later can beat them.  The reason 6/12 zen3 is considered enough is because it’s single thread is so high that a 6 core zen3 beats an 8 core zen+ and is equal to a zen2.  I’m not 100% on the 12 thhread chips though as while no one yet has written a game that demands more than 12 cores it could happen.  Probably late in the life of the ps5 so I got a 12700.  A 5800x would have been fine too, but they were out when I end t to micro center and I got a good deal on the 12700.  No one wanted them.  If I was to do a new system I would go lga1700 12700, am4 5800x (more is pointless.  I don’t stream) probably. Maybe am5.  Depends on what memory prices are.   I like 8/16 over 6/12.  Ecores don’t count. Some disagree.  The 13600k is very well thought of.  If I could get an 8/16 haswell I probably would have just done it.  They only went up to 4/8 though. If I was to do a new machine off PCpartpicker atm given what you’ve got I would salvage the storage drive, the windows key and the video card and sell the rest.  Probably for over $300.  it would probably look something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($235.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.52 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($46.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($89.53 @ B&H) 
Case: KOLINK Satellite MicroATX Desktop Case  ($43.29 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX750M (2021) 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.95 @ Newegg) 
Total: $605.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-12 00:11 EST-0500

A 5600x on a b450 or a520 with a pcie3 rather than pcie4 nvme for less money would probably work too.  Could knock off about $130 that way.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Bombastinator

[Somerandomtechyboi]

What mobo?

4770 and 4790 are still overpriced af, not even the xeons are cheap

 

just go for a 2600k and a cheap p67/z68 since sandy bridge and 1155 z boards have depreciated a ton in value, oc to 4.8-5ghz or just stay around 1.3-1.35v cause thats typically the volt right before diminishing returns start happening, max safe is somewhere around 1.52v but noones gonna cool that unless theyre using water. 2600k are 400rb and an accompanying p or z board is also around the same price, though im also about to test z bios flashing on non z boards to unlock oc on non z boards so if that works then you can use a cheap b or h board instead

[HyperPro_Andrew118]

2 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Haswell was the last gen where you could use Xeon E3 on consumer boards. I had a Xeon E3-1231v3 I used in both an H81 (Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2V) and a Z97 board (MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition) because I really wanted an i7 but for an i5 level budget at the time, and the Xeon E3 series was how you could do that. The E3-1231v3 was basically an i7-4790 clocked 200 MHz lower, with the IGP removed, with ECC memory support added, and marketed as a low end server processor instead of a highish end desktop processor. Sadly they killed off the ability to use Xeon E3 in consumer desktop boards in Broadwell I think because the Xeon E3-1231v3 got so popular with gamers.

Found a Xeon E3-1270 V3 for a bit cheaper. Any good?

($51)

Edited February 12, 2023 by HyperPro_Andrew118
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[HyperPro_Andrew118]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

What mobo?

4770 and 4790 are still overpriced af, not even the xeons are cheap

 

just go for a 2600k and a cheap p67/z68 since sandy bridge and 1155 z boards have depreciated a ton in value, oc to 4.8-5ghz or just stay around 1.3-1.35v cause thats typically the volt right before diminishing returns start happening, max safe is somewhere around 1.52v but noones gonna cool that unless theyre using water. 2600k are 400rb and an accompanying p or z board is also around the same price, though im also about to test z bios flashing on non z boards to unlock oc on non z boards so if that works then you can use a cheap b or h board instead

H81m-k 

i7 4790 is $60

E3-1270v3 is $51

 

 

[WackySpace]

4 hours ago, HyperPro_Andrew118 said:

Budget (including currency): Budget is around USD $75, I dont have a job yet(not 18), i usually get around $30-50 very year. The i7 4790 is around $60

 

Country: Indonesia

 

Monitor: 23.5 inch 1080p 75fps lg ips display 23mk something

 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming: Genshin Impact, Valorant, NieR:Automata.

 

Why are you upgrading?  I want to get a stable fps in Genshin impact, it is very stuttery. Dips to 35fps. Valorant also have not so stable fps.

 

Current specs:

i3 4130

16gb ram 1600mhz

3070

1tb ssd

650watt PSU (thermaltake gf 2 80+gold)

The i7 is faster since it has two more cores and double the threads, so it would boost perfomance but if you don't want to spend so much, but the price is good for your buck. If your motherboard can't support past fourth gen then this is the best you can get, and if you are really desperate to fix your game stuttering problems, it might be the only option.

 

Unless you have the dough to pay for a completely new pc or build a new one with better gen cpu's, those are even more expensive.

 

Consider adding a hdd for storage, and only use your ssd for the os and games to improve load times.

[SteveGrabowski0]

On 2/12/2023 at 12:52 AM, HyperPro_Andrew118 said:

H81m-k 

i7 4790 is $60

E3-1270v3 is $51

 

 

I'd go E3-1270v3. Difference between it and the 4790 is only 100 MHz. Otherwise they're nearly the same processor.

[SteveGrabowski0]

On 2/11/2023 at 11:03 PM, Bombastinator said:

The 4/8 machines weren’t any faster than similar 4/4 machines but those won’t play any but the earliest ps4 games.

That was PCMR religion around 2014 when everyone said just buy a 4690k because it was the case for years with the 2500k vs the 2600k/2700k. But it turned out to be false pretty quickly, 4C/4T chips aged so much worse than 4C/8T did last console gen. By 2016-17 it was pretty common to see complaints here about 4690k bottlenecking gpus while 4790k were still going really strong. Glad I didn't buy into PCMR religion at the time, it was clear the 8T of i7 and Xeon E3 would help a lot given the consoles used octacore cpus with pathetically low IPC and low clockspeeds so that games needed to be optimized for across all cores to have any chance of running even at 30 fps on those trash cpus in the previous gen consoles. And PC ports are usually terrible so we get a game still optimized for the consoles.

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

That was PCMR religion around 2014 when everyone said just buy a 4690k because it was the case for years with the 2500k vs the 2600k/2700k. But it turned out to be false pretty quickly, 4C/4T chips aged so much worse than 4C/8T did last console gen. By 2016-17 it was pretty common to see complaints here about 4690k bottlenecking gpus while 4790k were still going really strong. Glad I didn't buy into PCMR religion at the time, it was clear the 8T of i7 and Xeon E3 would help a lot given the consoles used octacore cpus with pathetically low IPC and low clockspeeds so that games needed to be optimized for across all cores to have any chance of running even at 30 fps on those trash cpus in the previous gen consoles. And PC ports are usually terrible so we get a game still optimized for the consoles.

I took my 4770k out of service a few months ago.  It would do tiny Tina at 80fps.  It wouldn’t play some other newer games very well though I suspect. Tiny Tina was basically borderlands v whatever.  The haswell stuff isn’t quite EOL yet, but it’s at EOL. I expected the thing to be already worthless for gaming actually.  It keeps on plugging though.  It can’t do it for ever.