Mac Users Deserve Better – 7 Unacceptable Problems with MacOS

[Spindel]

Do people actually run apps, that is not a game or watching a video, in full screen?

 

I don’t think I’ve done that on niether Linux, Windows or MacOS since wide screen monitors became the norm.

 

[just_dave]

8 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

And how much cache would that be exactly? 4 MB? 20 MB?

We’re talking about on-chip memory here, which is not cheap. 

8 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

Are you sure? DP MST would only use a single display driver.

DP MST means MUXing 2 independent display signals over 1 DisplayPort bus. You need 2 external display drivers to run over 1 thunderbolt/displayport bus.

[leadeater]

15 hours ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

Volume for individual apps is stupid

I actually use this quite a lot, it is a nice to have feature so it would be nice to have for Mac OS too 

 

Not that I couldn't live without it.

[leadeater]

10 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

And? Wifi signals can be intercepted by all devices nearby. There is literally no security difference.

For a switch only the two devices, the 2 ports involved, would pass the traffic. Assuming single switch etc. So going through a switch would actually be more secure than ad hoc wireless.

[Luscious]

3 words - just boycott Apple

 

But to add some actual basis to that, they are by far the worst tech company to ever exist, blatantly rip off customers and deliberately manufacture garbage. Hugh Jeffreys also from my home down under explains this a lot more elegantly than I ever could in his video from 4 months ago given my utter hate for people like Steve Jobs and Tim Cook:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhRPiVPA3c

[mAsTeR98ofu]

I feel like this could be condensed into Operating System Idiosyncrasies. Apple could do better in the base operating system, but these issues have been prominent for years now with workarounds being the norm.

 

A bit OT: I do wanna know what the editor used for Anthony's background music at 1:18 though. It's fire.

[EdgyVenison]

Re: Unremovable preinstalled apps

Fortunately I think the biggest offenders / large preinstalled applications are removable (Garageband, iMovies, Pages/Numbers/Slides(?) are all multiple gigabytes each), so the "wasted" space is relatively minor (maybe like ~25 apps each ranging from 1MB to 25MB in size).

[Ashleyyyy]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

I actually use this quite a lot, it is a nice to have feature so it would be nice to have for Mac OS too 

 

Not that I couldn't live without it.

i mean... https://github.com/kyleneideck/BackgroundMusic

[Ashleyyyy]

10 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

Apples (err...) to oranges. system32 is a folder full of important files needed for Windows to function.

"Podcasts" is an app that isn't (or damn well shouldn't be)

the thing is that with Catalina onwards iTunes got broken up into the 3 apps, that doesn't mean it's not a core part of macOS like iTunes used to be... 

[Ashleyyyy]

9 hours ago, Olgyd said:

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look if you must have the feature in macOS you can easily add it, with a modern interface, straight in the Menu Bar, which is even faster to access than Windows's volume mixer. https://github.com/kyleneideck/BackgroundMusic

[Ultraforce]

4 hours ago, Luscious said:

3 words - just boycott Apple

 

But to add some actual basis to that, they are by far the worst tech company to ever exist, blatantly rip off customers and deliberately manufacture garbage.

I know it likely wouldn't lead to a productive conversation but how do you determine that they are the worst tech company to ever exist and deliberately manufacture garbage.

At least to my knowledge, they've not made exploding power supplies or computers that have a high risk of catching on fire. Yes there might be arbitrary lock-downing of software and hardware and perhaps the price to performance for some items would constitute blatently rip off but really other then some of the charging cables the iPhones, iPods, iPads and Apple watches I've used definitely wouldn't be considered garbage. Heck, only reason I use them was because in 2010-2013 I had an android phone that I felt was garbage.

[ForboJack]

21 hours ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

Volume for individual apps is stupid.

Good for you if you don't need it, but it's a super useful feature for a lot of people. I use ist constantly. Just because you don't use something, doesn't means it's stupid.

[Ashleyyyy]

10 hours ago, Luscious said:

3 words - just boycott Apple

 

But to add some actual basis to that, they are by far the worst tech company to ever exist, blatantly rip off customers and deliberately manufacture garbage. Hugh Jeffreys also from my home down under explains this a lot more elegantly than I ever could in his video from 4 months ago given my utter hate for people like Steve Jobs and Tim Cook:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhRPiVPA3c

cry harder. unlike other tech companies Apple actually innovates, without them you wouldn't have the modern smartphone, tablet, GUI interface, laptop... they were all first with those designs. 

[Ashleyyyy]

4 hours ago, ForboJack said:

Good for you if you don't need it, but it's a super useful feature for a lot of people. I use ist constantly. Just because you don't use something, doesn't means it's stupid.

you can add it to macOS very easily https://github.com/kyleneideck/BackgroundMusic

[just_dave]

11 hours ago, Luscious said:

3 words - just boycott Apple

 

But to add some actual basis to that, they are by far the worst tech company to ever exist, blatantly rip off customers and deliberately manufacture garbage. Hugh Jeffreys also from my home down under explains this a lot more elegantly than I ever could in his video from 4 months ago given my utter hate for people like Steve Jobs and Tim Cook:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhRPiVPA3c

Ah yes, Hugh Jeffreys, the “technician” who fixes things worse than the nearest corner shop, can’t properly solder and complains you can’t fix modern electronics with a kitchen knife.

[kenblu24]

Does MacOS have the ability to turn off mouse acceleration natively? Because that was a major dealbreaker for me and yet it wasn't mentioned in the video. As far as I'm aware, you can't turn off mouse or scroll acceleration, and requiring a third party app for that is really stupid.

[kenblu24]

20 hours ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

first of all if you can't figure out what app is making a given noise you shouldn't be using a computer that supports multitasking. second i never said it was useful. using spotify's own volume control is much faster and more convenient than the windows sound mixer which comes straight out of Windows 98.

3 hours ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

cry harder. unlike other tech companies Apple actually innovates, without them you wouldn't have the modern smartphone, tablet, GUI interface, laptop... they were all first with those designs. 

If I may make a suggestion, please be mindful of how much of your identity is wrapped up in your choice of OS. It's just a piece of software, and there's no need to be so derisive towards others just because they criticized the OS you use. I promise you Apple will be just fine without you defending their UX choices.

[Luscious]

10 hours ago, Ultraforce said:

I know it likely wouldn't lead to a productive conversation but how do you determine that they are the worst tech company to ever exist and deliberately manufacture garbage.

At least to my knowledge, they've not made exploding power supplies or computers that have a high risk of catching on fire. Yes there might be arbitrary lock-downing of software and hardware and perhaps the price to performance for some items would constitute blatently rip off but really other then some of the charging cables the iPhones, iPods, iPads and Apple watches I've used definitely wouldn't be considered garbage. Heck, only reason I use them was because in 2010-2013 I had an android phone that I felt was garbage.

Simple serviceability on common wear items, number one being THE BATTERY. Apple now makes it damn near impossible to get inside the phone by gluing it together, with the argument of course that people NEED a water resistant smartphone. Funny thing is just about every other smartphone ISN'T water resistant yet you don't hear those users complaining about it 

 

Second, do we really need a new model released every single year??? There's absolutely ZERO reason why these devices have to be killed off with artificial software upgrade locks to prevent them from working longer, or for that matter, impossible to replace batteries. People are throwing perfectly working electronics out when they could continue to be used, but of course, Apple wants to get into your wallet any and every way it can. It should be MY CHOICE if I want to upgrade my phone after 3 years, not the manufacturer's!!!

 

As a final food for thought, where do you think all those thrown out, donated and recycled electronics go??? Nobody talks about that and there's the very real chance they do end up in places where they shouldn't and become a real hazard to the environment, animals and in the end humans. Does anybody hold Apple accountable for what they are doing wrong? Does anybody consider that some of the materials they are recycling have been paid for many times over by previous device owners and they are essentially working with these materials for free, yet newer devices keep getting more expensive? Their outlandish HQ is a slap in the face to sensibility.

 

4 hours ago, Ashley MLP Fangirl said:

cry harder. unlike other tech companies Apple actually innovates, without them you wouldn't have the modern smartphone, tablet, GUI interface, laptop... they were all first with those designs. 

Um, actually no. The Compaq/HP iPaq was around long before the iPhone came out, and I still have my H6315 sitting in it's dock. As for innovation you might want to look at what HTC was doing around the same time - their Touch Pro 2, which I also have, was leaps and bounds ahead of what the iPhone was capable of doing with a keyboard slider design, tilting display, expandable memory storage and high bit rate audio, all things that the iPhone STILL LACKS 14 years later. Apple's definition of "innovation" is a joke at worst and a blatant consumer money grab at best.

 

3 hours ago, just_dave said:

Ah yes, Hugh Jeffreys, the “technician” who fixes things worse than the nearest corner shop, can’t properly solder and complains you can’t fix modern electronics with a kitchen knife.

I guess they do things different from where he's from  To be fair though, you cannot say Apple has made repairs and service easier, in fact, it is becoming more and more difficult just to get inside their devices. What's most troubling is the shenanigans Apple's own technicians do when you take your device to them for repair. Go in for a battery swap and they will not only wipe your phone without your permission but also update the software without your consent, essentially returning to you a phone that is now running SLOWER than it was previously. If you really want to point the finger at somebody, go blame Apple for installing updates that cripple perfectly working hardware for the SOLE PURPOSE to entice you to buy a new one.

[smionean]

I have just watched the video, sorry if someone already point it out, I didn't read all the posts.

 

One thing it drives me crazy is ScreenSharing (vnc). You simply can't ScreenSharing a headless Mac, you have to use a HDMI dummy dongle (https://www.amazon.ca/Dummy-Headless-Display-Emulator-Generation/dp/B07FB4VJL9).

 

And you are stuck with the screen resolution of the remote Mac (or the HDMI dummy dongle).

Example :

Remote Mac has a 1920x1080

Home Mac has a 3440x1440

No luck, you are stuck at 1920x1080

 

It gets even worse if you have 2 or more screens...

 

Oh... and you have the fullscreen annoyance mention in the video.

 

Window Remote Desktop (even on Mac) manage perfectly.

 

After 2 years of pandemic remote work, Apple didn't see this problem is mind-blowing.

[BondiBlue]

25 minutes ago, smionean said:

One thing it drives me crazy is ScreenSharing (vnc). You simply can't ScreenSharing a headless Mac, you have to use a HDMI dummy dongle (https://www.amazon.ca/Dummy-Headless-Display-Emulator-Generation/dp/B07FB4VJL9).

This is not always the case. I'm not exactly sure what the specifics are behind this, but some headless Macs work perfectly fine with Screen Sharing. I own three separate Mac minis (one Late 2009 and two Late 2012 models), and none of them are connected to external displays. I also don't own any dummy dongles either. However, I have zero issues connecting to any of them through Screen Sharing. It works fine from other Macs and from standard VNC clients as well.

 

Here's a screenshot I just took where I connected to one of the 2012 minis. In the screenshot you can see the About This Mac page along with the System Information window that both show there are no monitors attached. About This Mac does show a monitor, but that's not accurate. I've never connected this Mac mini to a 23" display, and if I did it wouldn't be a 1280x1024 display. There are no display cables connected to the mini right now. 

[Dracarris]

On 11/13/2022 at 12:04 AM, just_dave said:

You're mixing apples and oranges. What you are talking about is that the system is capable of MUXing the embedded displayport signal to the Thunderbolt ports. It still doesn't change the fact there is just 1 single EXTERNAL display controller. There is obviously the second internal driver for the native macbook display.

On 11/12/2022 at 11:53 PM, EdgyVenison said:

I think the tweet @just_dave brought up still holds true.

As shown in the tweet image, the M1 Pro die has 2 DISP EXT blocks, and for all intents and purposes, the macbook screen itself might as well count as one "external display" since it needs to be outputted somehow lol.

I think this explains why closing the lid allows you to use 2 external displays; one display feed (the macbook screen) is no longer in use, and the freed up DISP EXT can then be used to drive the second external display, so it's probably a hardware limitation and not an intentional market segmentation.

 

But the M1 Pro can drive TWO external displays plus the internal one, all independently:

M1: 1 ext (up to 6K 60Hz) + 1 int

M1 Pro: 2 ext (up to 6K 60Hz) + 1 int

M1 Max: 3 ext (up to 6K 60Hz) + 1 ext (via HDMI, up to 4K 60Hz) + 1 int

 

 

 

[GodAtum]

Let me tell you a story. When I worked for a company that used Macbooks, they changed their office wifi password. There was a 50% spike in helpdesk calls because no-one could work out how to enter the new password on their Macs!

[corrado33]

I watched this video. None of these things are huge issues with MacOS.

 

Mac can't do snapping because microsoft patented it or some other bullcrap, besides there are PLENTY of free apps that do it better than windows does. 

 

No idea why you'd want to create a file in a folder like that (something like a "touch" command in the terminal.) 

 

As for separate volumes. I mean.... anything that has volume will have a volume slider. It's very.... very rare I need to use windows mixer. And, of course, there are apps that simulate this functionality if you want. I think soundflower does it. 

[Man]

DirectX.

 

*Mic Drop*

[DANK_AS_gay]

On 11/12/2022 at 6:53 PM, Radium_Angel said:

(after Win 9 goes out of support on July 11)

Windows 9?!