The thing I love about AMD

[podkall]

As everone knows, Nvidia has pretty expensive new cards.

 

And if there is anything I can be sure of, is that weather or not the new AMD GPUs will be faster than the 4090/4080 or not,

they will probably be fairly priced, which is a nice have.

 

And that's not really a loss for AMD, since a decent budget GPU that does the job is always appreciated and bought by the majority.

 

I can see it, someone is upgrading their PC, what GPU does the PC have?

 

It usually starts with a GTX and the number 16 - a "budget" GPU that is/was often included in pre-builds.

Or it starts with a GTX and the number 9 - a GPU that I "think?" was fairly priced.

 

AMD favours balance,

 

Nvidia favours "hey this card can go slightly faster and eats 2x the electricity and also is expensive".

[Mister Woof]

They both have the same playbooks when they're in the right position to do so.

For example, while you believe AMD is the value-oriented segment, in the CPU sector, they are focusing on the top end high performance market and charging as such, leaving Intel in the position to make up ground with lower prices.

 

If AMD had more powerful GPUs they would ask more for them.

[dizmo]

Except your thinking is flawed. If the budget GPU was the one bought by the masses, AMD would have far more market share than they do now.

It's not just about price. It's also about featuresets, drivers, stability, marketing, etc.

 

3 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

They both have the same playbooks when they're in the right position to do so.

For example, while you believe AMD is the value-oriented segment, in the CPU sector, they are focusing on the top end high performance market and charging as such, leaving Intel in the position to make up ground with lower prices.

 

If AMD had more powerful GPUs they would ask more for them.

Ehhh I don't think so. They need to build a bigger market base. They'd still price it lower, in hopes to capture more market.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

They both have the same playbooks when they're in the right position to do so.

For example, while you believe AMD is the value-oriented segment, in the CPU sector, they are focusing on the top end high performance market and charging as such, leaving Intel in the position to make up ground with lower prices.

 

If AMD had more powerful GPUs they would ask more for them.

That is true, but AMD can make high performance CPUs since they already have quite the selection of budget CPUs already,

 

seems like the AMD likes to alternate between the "performer" and "bang for the buck".

 

I bought Ryzen 3 1200 for half it's price, literally the price was marked down by 50%, the cheap MB I bought with it had near identical price.

 

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Except your thinking is flawed. If the budget GPU was the one bought by the masses, AMD would have far more market share than they do now.

It's not just about price. It's also about featuresets, drivers, stability, marketing, etc.

I'm pretty bad at expressing my thoughts,

 

let me be clear, the AMD has done this with CPUs but sounds like they might be doing that with GPUs now with CPUs being now the king of the hill chasers...

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Except your thinking is flawed. If the budget GPU was the one bought by the masses, AMD would have far more market share than they do now.

It's not just about price. It's also about featuresets, drivers, stability, marketing, etc.

 

Ehhh I don't think so. They need to build a bigger market base. They'd still price it lower, in hopes to capture more market.

They have it in the CPU market with DIY folks even when their parts didn't perform better, much like Nvidia does in the GPU segment.

 

That's part of what I'm talking about. Presently AMD doesn't have the mindshare that Nvidia does in GPUs. They aren't asking less for their cards due to some perceived benevolence. AMD is not virtuous. They just aren't positioned to ask for more money at the moment. They do what they do because they have to right now.  Their asking prices for Zen 4 and motherboards is proof that if they could, they would.

[CommanderAlex]

7 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

For example, while you believe AMD is the value-oriented segment, in the CPU sector, they are focusing on the top end high performance market and charging as such, leaving Intel in the position to make up ground with lower prices.

Totally agreed here. 

 

We saw this with Intel's quad-core monopoly on the market back in 2013, 2014, 2015 by charging a premium compared to AMD's FX processors. Mainly because the 3770K/4790K performed a lot better than the FX-8350. If a company has a product that performs better than the competitions, then they will charge what will make them the most profit. 

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

They have it in the CPU market with DIY folks even when their parts didn't perform better, much like Nvidia does in the GPU segment.

 

That's part of what I'm talking about. Presently AMD doesn't have the mindshare that Nvidia does in GPUs. They aren't asking less for their cards due to some perceived benevolence. AMD is not virtuous. They just aren't positioned to ask for more money at the moment. They do what they do because they have to. 

It's a great marketing move to attract more followers when your stuff has similar speeds on lower/way lower price.

 

And I'm all here for it.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

It's a great marketing move to attract more followers when your stuff has similar speeds on lower/way lower price.

 

And I'm all here for it.

I mean I will take advantage of it. Look at my sig, I've got my share of AMD GPUs. The 5700XT and 6600 actually get more gaming on them than my 3080 since they're positioned with couches

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

I mean I will take advantage of it. Look at my sig, I've got my share of AMD GPUs. The 5700XT and 6600 actually get more gaming on them than my 3080 since they're positioned with couches

Not an AMD CPU fan? Or just don't use creative software? Yeah that might be it...

 

Hmmm, Daughter's System does RTX 1060 card exist or is that a mistake?

[Mister Woof]

8 minutes ago, podkall said:

Not an AMD CPU fan? Or just don't use creative software? Yeah that might be it...

 

Hmmm, Daughter's System does RTX 1060 card exist or is that a mistake?

I have had plenty of AMD CPUs in the past, but in recent times only a Ryzen 5 1600 and X370/B450, in which I was totally unimpressed with the bugs, memory issues, and general slowness in games compared to even Haswell. 

But yes, I'm a basic bitch content consumer. 

That said I've built several for family members, including 3800X, 5800X, and 2700. I just prefer Intel for CPUs as my experience has just been better in recent years. 

 

That's a typo. It's a GTX 1060 3GB. Thanks for the catch

[podkall]

17 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

I have had plenty of AMD CPUs in the past, but in recent times only a Ryzen 5 1600 and X370/B450, in which I was totally unimpressed with the bugs, memory issues, and general slowness in games compared to even Haswell. 

But yes, I'm a basic bitch content consumer. 

That said I've built several for family members, including 3800X, 5800X, and 2700. I just prefer Intel for CPUs as my experience has just been better in recent years. 

 

That's a typo. It's a GTX 1060 3GB. Thanks for the catch

Np, for me as I'm more familiar with cards that are 1080ti and below, it beams me right into the eyes when I see RTX instead of GTX.

[wasab]

If you want best bang for the bucks you should go Intel at this point. 

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, podkall said:

Np, for me as I'm more familiar with cards that are 1080ti and below, it beams me right into the eyes when I see RTX instead of GTX.

That was one of the first things I got when I returned to PC gaming a few years back.

 

From I want to say 2007-2016 I just played on laptops since I was moving so often (parents, apartments, girlfriends, etc).

 

Anyway, i5-4570 + 8GB 1366 DDR3 + 1060 3GB was what I ended up "restarting" with on desktop for WoW.

[podkall]

17 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

That was one of the first things I got when I returned to PC gaming a few years back.

 

From I want to say 2007-2016 I just played on laptops since I was moving so often (parents, apartments, girlfriends, etc).

 

Anyway, i5-4570 + 8GB 1366 DDR3 + 1060 3GB was what I ended up "restarting" with on desktop for WoW.

For that time that sounds like a good build, idk about the RAM speed though..

 

20 minutes ago, wasab said:

If you want best bang for the bucks you should go Intel at this point. 

Depends how high demand do you need, also resolution.

But you're right for the most part.

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, podkall said:

For that time that sounds like a good build, idk about the RAM speed though..

 

Depends how high demand do you need, also resolution.

But you're right for the most part.

damn, i think it was 1333. 1366 is a socket type haha

 

it was a long time ago. I think that's from 2014 or 2015, it was cheap parts I got second hand.

[podkall]

1 hour ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

damn, i think it was 1333. 1366 is a socket type haha

 

it was a long time ago. I think that's from 2014 or 2015, it was cheap parts I got second hand.

LoL that i5 is as fast as my CPU, except mine only cost 62$

[Jerakl]

11 hours ago, dizmo said:

Except your thinking is flawed. If the budget GPU was the one bought by the masses, AMD would have far more market share than they do now.

It's not just about price. It's also about featuresets, drivers, stability, marketing, etc.

 

Ehhh I don't think so. They need to build a bigger market base. They'd still price it lower, in hopes to capture more market.

100% on the first one. I lean towards being a pretty value oriented individual and I've stuck with Nvidia purely because shadow play is fantastic imo

[Imbadatnames]

On 11/4/2022 at 11:40 AM, podkall said:

As everone knows, Nvidia has pretty expensive new cards.

 

And if there is anything I can be sure of, is that weather or not the new AMD GPUs will be faster than the 4090/4080 or not,

they will probably be fairly priced, which is a nice have.

 

And that's not really a loss for AMD, since a decent budget GPU that does the job is always appreciated and bought by the majority.

 

I can see it, someone is upgrading their PC, what GPU does the PC have?

 

It usually starts with a GTX and the number 16 - a "budget" GPU that is/was often included in pre-builds.

Or it starts with a GTX and the number 9 - a GPU that I "think?" was fairly priced.

 

AMD favours balance,

 

Nvidia favours "hey this card can go slightly faster and eats 2x the electricity and also is expensive".

If the 7900XTX could compete with the 4090 it would be priced as such. They might bet close enough with raster performance but their RT tech is woeful in comparison which is why that can’t dream of charging more than a 4080.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

 

AMD is not your friend. 

Nvidia is not your friend.

Intel is not your friend.

Apple is not your friend. 

Framework is not your friend.

iFixit is not your friend. 

Microsoft is not your friend.

Linux is not your friend. 

Tesla is not your friend.

Elon Musk is definitely not your friend. 

Linus is not your friend (for real people, don't let him gas light you into thinking that way). 

[NF-A12x25]

1 hour ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Linus is not your friend (for real people, don't let him gas light you into thinking that way)

what a parasocial relationship does to a mf (this isn’t directed at you, just the Linus fanboys lmao)

[podkall]

9 hours ago, Imbadatnames said:

If the 7900XTX could compete with the 4090 it would be priced as such. They might bet close enough with raster performance but their RT tech is woeful in comparison which is why that can’t dream of charging more than a 4080.

I doubt that, remember Ryzen being 5 lightyears cheaper while outperforming Intel budget CPUs?

 

6 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

 

AMD is not your friend. 

Nvidia is not your friend.

Intel is not your friend.

Apple is not your friend. 

Framework is not your friend.

iFixit is not your friend. 

Microsoft is not your friend.

Linux is not your friend. 

Tesla is not your friend.

Elon Musk is definitely not your friend. 

Linus is not your friend (for real people, don't let him gas light you into thinking that way). 

Many times

[Imbadatnames]

6 hours ago, podkall said:

I doubt that, remember Ryzen being 5 lightyears cheaper while outperforming Intel budget CPUs?

 

Many times

No it didn’t? It might have in productivity but people aren’t buying i5’s for that anyway and Intel still smashed them in things like premiere. Also the Ryzen 5 chips were priced about the same as intels i5 not their budget chips that cost well under $100
 

For gaming the only king of the hill AMD has ever had with Zen is the 5800X3D which is expensive and outperformed by 13th gen. 

[podkall]

Just now, Imbadatnames said:

No it didn’t? It might have in productivity but people aren’t buying i5’s for that anyway and Intel still smashed them in things like premiere. 
 

For gaming the only king of the hill AMD has ever had with Zen is the 5800X3D which is expensive and outperformed by 13th gen. 

Was I talking about king of the hill?

[Imbadatnames]

Just now, podkall said:

Was I talking about king of the hill?

You mentioned budget for some reason. Zen 5 chips have never been budget chips they’ve competed against i5 chips. Why would you pit a $200-250 CPU against chips in the 60-100 range? 

[podkall]

Just now, Imbadatnames said:

You mentioned budget for some reason. Zen 5 chips have never been budget chips they’ve competed against i5 chips. Why would you pit a $200-250 CPU against chips in the 60-100 range? 

Because I wasn't even talking about Zen 5 in the first place?